Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 20:31     Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
I'll be disappointed if we don't get a perp walk. You know reporters are camped out outside the homes of all the possible criminals right now.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 20:25     Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
It feels like Christmas Eve. What treats will Santa bring in the morning?!?!
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 20:24     Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
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Anonymous wrote:The president is above the law. He can pardon his way out of trouble and replace any troublesome investigators or prosecutors. The GOP is solidly behind him.

The ones who should be worried are Hillary and Podesta.


No, they're really not.


Congressmen like Paul Ryan and Devin Nunes are Trump toadies. They are with him all the way.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 20:24     Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting twitter rumor running around that Trump could be named as an unindicted co-conspirator, a la Nixon. Process that for a moment.


not a lawyer but...that means he can't pardon the other conspirators, right?


It’s a bad idea. Terrible really. Worse than firing Mueller. Possibly obstruction of justice. But he probably could, technically. Because he hasn’t been convicted. It’s weird territory. For sure.

The big deal here is that it would mean that Meuller has found evidence sufficient to indict Trump on something, but he can’t while Trump is in office, because a sitting POTUS cannot be indicted. It is the big red arrow pointing at Trump saying “this guy committed this specific crime with these people, so it’s time to impeach him”. Nixon resigned about six weeks after it became public that he was an unindicted co-conspirator.

Do we know that Trump can't be indicted? The presidency is not a magic shield.

It's unclear. Jones v Clinton said that a sitting president could be sued, but that was civil, not criminal.


I think saying that the president is unindictable is correct. There is already a mechanism for these issues.

That doesn't mean that the president, once out of office, remains unindictable. Unless he is pardoned by his successor.


Only for Federal Crimes. The state(s) can still take their turn at the Trumps/Kushners.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 20:23     Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
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Anonymous wrote:The big question.....will Trump pardon after the accused's name becomes public?


Doesn't the person have to be convicted or plead guilty to be pardoned?


Yep, and just think about all the stuff that will probably come out during the trial!


Are you kidding? We can’t even get bank records from Fusion GPS who hired a foreign national who paid off Soviet sources in the dossier. FML.

To think the Department of Homeland Security was created to break up silos. Russia didn’t do thison their own. Obama admin and Hillary and her attorneys did this.


Obama and Hillary and her attorneys conspired to swing the Election for Trump?

Ummm. Okay. That’s an interesting take.

They conspired to swing it for themselves, but failed. Hence, all the shock and disbelief that night. Remember? "What Happened?"


Gimme a break. *Trump* was shocked that he won. Everyone was shocked. It was shocking for the election to come down to 60k votes in 3 states. Especially given the huge split in the popular vote.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 20:22     Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Could be Michael Flynn JUNIOR to put the heat on Flynn.

When Mueller ran the Enron investigation, he arrested the wives first to get the husbands to give up the goods.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 20:21     Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
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Anonymous wrote:Not clear that preemptive pardons work, and could backfire on Trump apparently as a form of obstruction...


Only if the GOP in the Congress care.

If they don't, our constitutional republic is dead.


Look, the Deep State is getting bolder and bolder. The whispers are louder. Trust me, if they are reaching ME....we are already fucked.

Don't be down on yourself. Your tin foil hat probably gets great reception for every single right wing conspiracy there is.


You need to believe I do to go to sleep and keep a roof over your head. I understand and forgive you.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 20:20     Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
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Anonymous wrote:But, if he's an Unindicted Co Conspirator...isn't issuing the pardon to a conspirator another fresh case of obstruction of justice? My head is spinning.

Big wow. Your head has been spinning ever since your person lost.


Haha.


Criminal lawyer here-she is correct. Issuing the pardon becomes a new crime. Not sure why this is amusing, I think it is pretty serious shit.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 20:20     Subject: Re:Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
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Anonymous wrote:it will be Manafort for money laundering ..IMO

What point would there be to sealed indictments for either Manafort or Flynn? Everyone knows what those to got up to, at least the stuff that made it to the papers.


Gives them a chance to arrange a quiet, private surrender. And avoid a media circus perp walk. Which is the right way to handle this. Although a perp walk would be fun. This is how pros, like Mueller, behave.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 19:59     Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The president is above the law. He can pardon his way out of trouble and replace any troublesome investigators or prosecutors. The GOP is solidly behind him.

The ones who should be worried are Hillary and Podesta.


No, they're really not.

I don't care about stupid whispers behind closed doors. I don't care if they're snobs about the trash Trump is. I don't care if they pulled the lever for Hillary, so to speak, in the voting booth. They have done NOTHING to rein in any of Trump's most disgusting and egregious attacks on democracy. They've done nothing but support his dumb cluck legislation. They've done nothing but signal that they are a-ok with oligarchy and rule of crime.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 19:54     Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:The big question.....will Trump pardon after the accused's name becomes public?


Doesn't the person have to be convicted or plead guilty to be pardoned?


Yep, and just think about all the stuff that will probably come out during the trial!


Are you kidding? We can’t even get bank records from Fusion GPS who hired a foreign national who paid off Soviet sources in the dossier. FML.

To think the Department of Homeland Security was created to break up silos. Russia didn’t do thison their own. Obama admin and Hillary and her attorneys did this.


Obama and Hillary and her attorneys conspired to swing the Election for Trump?

Ummm. Okay. That’s an interesting take.

They conspired to swing it for themselves, but failed. Hence, all the shock and disbelief that night. Remember? "What Happened?"
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 19:53     Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:The president is above the law. He can pardon his way out of trouble and replace any troublesome investigators or prosecutors. The GOP is solidly behind him.

The ones who should be worried are Hillary and Podesta.


No, they're really not.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 19:53     Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Very interesting twitter rumor running around that Trump could be named as an unindicted co-conspirator, a la Nixon. Process that for a moment.


not a lawyer but...that means he can't pardon the other conspirators, right?


It’s a bad idea. Terrible really. Worse than firing Mueller. Possibly obstruction of justice. But he probably could, technically. Because he hasn’t been convicted. It’s weird territory. For sure.

The big deal here is that it would mean that Meuller has found evidence sufficient to indict Trump on something, but he can’t while Trump is in office, because a sitting POTUS cannot be indicted. It is the big red arrow pointing at Trump saying “this guy committed this specific crime with these people, so it’s time to impeach him”. Nixon resigned about six weeks after it became public that he was an unindicted co-conspirator.

Do we know that Trump can't be indicted? The presidency is not a magic shield.

It's unclear. Jones v Clinton said that a sitting president could be sued, but that was civil, not criminal.


I think saying that the president is unindictable is correct. There is already a mechanism for these issues.

That doesn't mean that the president, once out of office, remains unindictable. Unless he is pardoned by his successor.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 19:51     Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:The president is above the law. He can pardon his way out of trouble and replace any troublesome investigators or prosecutors. The GOP is solidly behind him.

The ones who should be worried are Hillary and Podesta.

Indeed, the actual criminals should go to prison.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2017 19:49     Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
The president is above the law. He can pardon his way out of trouble and replace any troublesome investigators or prosecutors. The GOP is solidly behind him.

The ones who should be worried are Hillary and Podesta.