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Anonymous wrote:Here is an intelligent rebuttal of the pathetic "fabrication" angle: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-01/uva-should-help-police-catch-alleged-rapists-now

that's not a rebuttal, it's an smart acknowledgement that even without the help of "Jackie" the police and university should have no problem pinpointing a couple of the likely assailants. the corollary here is that it will almost certainly come to light if this story has any credence.

what's a bit more disturbing is that the journalist who wrote this claims it was "kind of hard to get in touch" with the assailants, whom she claims were identified to her by Jackie. that is pretty flimsy ... in this day and age of social media, linkedin, etc. I can get hold of just about any 22-24 year old college graduate with only a name.

It's actually easier if the person has purchased a home (which most 22-24 yo have not) and has an unusual name, not Joe Smith. So your assertion is not correct, besides every lawyer has a perp delete all social media accounts and change phone numbers when there is a possibility of an investigation. I am sure these wealthy kids have all lawyered up.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why we're not rioting in the streets about this. Seriously. Enough is enough.

Because this whole story is made up and many of us are impartial enough to see it. Violence against women is abhorrent. So is patently lying to get attention. This story is ludicrously fictitious.

You cannot be this fucking disgusting and/or stupid?

I dunno. The Duke rape charges turned out to be completely fictitious.

Yes, it's true. Rarely, there are rape accusations that are false. (The Duke lacrosse team case, for example, which happened in 2006.) Should we therefore assume that all rape accusations are false, unless proven otherwise? And what about the many rapes that occur, but the rape victim never publicly accuses anybody?

You're changing the debate ... the question is not about rape generally - I haven't seen anyone dismiss the severity of the sexual assault problem - the question is about the veracity of this particular story and the claims that we should be "rioting in the streets" and altogether ignoring the possibility that this one incident is in fact a misrepresentation or potentially a complete fabrication. Thus far in a court of law there is a lot of hearsay and not a lot of evidence.

Anonymous wrote:Here is an intelligent rebuttal of the pathetic "fabrication" angle: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-01/uva-should-help-police-catch-alleged-rapists-now

that's not a rebuttal, it's an smart acknowledgement that even without the help of "Jackie" the police and university should have no problem pinpointing a couple of the likely assailants. the corollary here is that it will almost certainly come to light if this story has any credence.

what's a bit more disturbing is that the journalist who wrote this claims it was "kind of hard to get in touch" with the assailants, whom she claims were identified to her by Jackie. that is pretty flimsy ... in this day and age of social media, linkedin, etc. I can get hold of just about any 22-24 year old college graduate with only a name.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why we're not rioting in the streets about this. Seriously. Enough is enough.

Because this whole story is made up and many of us are impartial enough to see it. Violence against women is abhorrent. So is patently lying to get attention. This story is ludicrously fictitious.

You cannot be this fucking disgusting and/or stupid?

I'm exceptionally intelligent, but perhaps I am disgusting. If true this is clearly a travesty, and even if untrue, I agree that UVA ... and lots of other schools ... have a horrible problem on their hands and some serious education/prosecution/restructuring should occur. Sexual violence is a real problem. But until some proof is offered beyond a completely unsubstantiated and anonymous allegation, I will not believe this story. Too hyberbolic. Too hard to keep everyone that participated (assailants and friends) quiet. Too similar to numerous other fictitious stories.

If you have an open mind and try to remove emotion from your decision making, I think that this poster makes good points.

Anonymous wrote:Try thinking about it this way. What if someone accused you of a horrific crime which you did not commit? However, your name is plastered all over the media linking you to this terrible crime. However, charges are never pressed so you have no opportunity to defend yourself nor clear your name publicly from these charges.

That would completely suck. Your life is ruined. You've done nothing wrong and you have no way to change the outcome.

Try thinking about it this way: why are you identifying more with the possible rapist than with the possible rape victim? What are the consequences of assuming that rape charges are false?

Here is an intelligent rebuttal of the pathetic "fabrication" angle: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-01/uva-should-help-police-catch-alleged-rapists-now

Try thinking about it this way. What if someone accused you of a horrific crime which you did not commit? However, your name is plastered all over the media linking you to this terrible crime. However, charges are never pressed so you have no opportunity to defend yourself nor clear your name publicly from these charges.

That would completely suck. Your life is ruined. You've done nothing wrong and you have no way to change the outcome.

What's telling here are the large number of purported assailants and awful "friends" who would have been identified and at a minimum guilt-shamed by name on social media by now.

It's almost surely the Tawana Brawley/Janet Cooke story of the year, kept alive by the fact that some of the frats are kind of vile.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why we're not rioting in the streets about this. Seriously. Enough is enough.

Because this whole story is made up and many of us are impartial enough to see it. Violence against women is abhorrent. So is patently lying to get attention. This story is ludicrously fictitious.

You cannot be this fucking disgusting and/or stupid?

I dunno. The Duke rape charges turned out to be completely fictitious.

Yes, it's true. Rarely, there are rape accusations that are false. (The Duke lacrosse team case, for example, which happened in 2006.) Should we therefore assume that all rape accusations are false, unless proven otherwise? And what about the many rapes that occur, but the rape victim never publicly accuses anybody?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why we're not rioting in the streets about this. Seriously. Enough is enough.

Because this whole story is made up and many of us are impartial enough to see it. Violence against women is abhorrent. So is patently lying to get attention. This story is ludicrously fictitious.

You cannot be this fucking disgusting and/or stupid?

I dunno. The Duke rape charges turned out to be completely fictitious.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why we're not rioting in the streets about this. Seriously. Enough is enough.

Because this whole story is made up and many of us are impartial enough to see it. Violence against women is abhorrent. So is patently lying to get attention. This story is ludicrously fictitious.

You cannot be this fucking disgusting and/or stupid?

I'm exceptionally intelligent, but perhaps I am disgusting. If true this is clearly a travesty, and even if untrue, I agree that UVA ... and lots of other schools ... have a horrible problem on their hands and some serious education/prosecution/restructuring should occur. Sexual violence is a real problem. But until some proof is offered beyond a completely unsubstantiated and anonymous allegation, I will not believe this story. Too hyberbolic. Too hard to keep everyone that participated (assailants and friends) quiet. Too similar to numerous other fictitious stories.

sometimes bad things happen when a woman tries to stop sexual harassment
(and bad things happen to others when no one tries to stop it.)
Really, as a woman, one can feel quite powerless.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/30/berlin-tribute-student-tugce-albayrak-killed-intervene-harassment

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why we're not rioting in the streets about this. Seriously. Enough is enough.

Because this whole story is made up and many of us are impartial enough to see it. Violence against women is abhorrent. So is patently lying to get attention. This story is ludicrously fictitious.

Even UVA admins take the story seriously.

In fact, even Phi Kappa Psi takes the story seriously.

http://www.phikappapsi.com/news

Of course they take it seriously. Doesn't make it true. Isn't it a little fishy that even now with all the publicity and potential to bring the perpetrators to justice, make a real difference, the "victim" still hasn't brought charges or even named her assailants?

God, I hope you're trolling. I hope you aren't this dumb.

Hey, actually, this is part of the problem. I mean, beyond the obvious obnoxious-person-blathering problem. I think some people like this poster (above, not the immediate above) simply find it impossible to believe. And that poster is likely to be a man, or a very sheltered woman. Because most of us who have lived as a woman know how vulnerable and objectified one feels. And knows all the obstacles to reporting (made obvious in the RS article.) Or did for me, anyway. Social discourse still is largely from the male perspective. But how can we get people like this PP educated? I mean, anyone who has educated themselves on the problem knows that there are many, many more rapes than those reported. And that in the cases that are reported, only a small percentage of the rapists are brought to justice.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why we're not rioting in the streets about this. Seriously. Enough is enough.

Because this whole story is made up and many of us are impartial enough to see it. Violence against women is abhorrent. So is patently lying to get attention. This story is ludicrously fictitious.

You cannot be this fucking disgusting and/or stupid?

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Of course they take it seriously. Doesn't make it true. Isn't it a little fishy that even now with all the publicity and potential to bring the perpetrators to justice, make a real difference, the "victim" still hasn't brought charges or even named her assailants?

No. Many people who have been raped don't press charges. It's quite common.

And actually it seems to me that victim is making a real difference right now without bringing charges or naming her assailants.