Anonymous
Post 09/11/2013 08:42     Subject: Re:This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
What does the research say about in depth thinking about reading in 1st grade? In my child's preschool there was a lot of reading to children with some questions and letter and sound recognition with some sight words. Personally I don't remember a lot of extensive reading or comprehension taught in 1st grade growing up.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2013 08:31     Subject: Re:This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
Personally, as a teacher I found it more disturbing when kids could understand just fine but couldn't read anything TO understand.




As a first grade teacher, I can tell you that it is a lot easier to teach them to read than to teach them to think. A child drilled too early frequently is missing out on thinking.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2013 23:53     Subject: Re:This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
You are hurting your kids by not exposing them to basics early.


Those kids who are drilled too early are missing understanding. I taught K/first grade. It is very sad to see a child come in "reading" who does not understand one word.


Personally, as a teacher I found it more disturbing when kids could understand just fine but couldn't read anything TO understand.


Disturbing? Really?
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2013 22:10     Subject: This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
I have no problem with redshirting for kids whose birthdays are Aug/Sept but do find it ridiculous to redshirt a kid whose birthday is in May or earlier. Kids should not be turning 7 in kindergarten. I sent my kids on time - i am comfortable that my July birthday kids can meet the developmental standards for kids up to 12 months older than they are...but not up to 24 months. That's the problem...
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2013 12:39     Subject: Re:This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
You are hurting your kids by not exposing them to basics early.


Those kids who are drilled too early are missing understanding. I taught K/first grade. It is very sad to see a child come in "reading" who does not understand one word.


Personally, as a teacher I found it more disturbing when kids could understand just fine but couldn't read anything TO understand.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2013 10:31     Subject: This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
Considering who has the most money and power in US society, I am not going to worry about whether the current educational system is disadvantaging boys. And I have boys.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2013 09:21     Subject: This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Are girls all doomed to be in the lowest reading groups because the boys are a full year older?

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Mother of girls here. No matter how long you hold your white male sons back, they won't outread girls in my experience. Perhaps a conversation about any "math gap" might be in order, however.

Isn't the latest research indicating that it's boys who are at a disadvantage in a classroom that tends to punish typical "boy" behaviors, while "girl" behaviors are rewarded? Isn't redshirting often about giving boys a chance to learn better self-discipline - sitting still, being quiet, being less physical, working cooperatively, etc. etc.?

Anecdotally, I have watched my girls side-by-side with little boys for ten years and the differences in social skills and need for physical activity are quite pronounced. I don't really want my not-yet-five year old in a K class with your enormous 6 year old boy, but I can't say I blame the parents of boys for wanting to give them a chance to mature a bit before enrolling them in the ridiculously competitive modern Kindergarten class.

Making observations from experiences not your own? Withholding judgment against others who choose what's best for their family? You'll have to leave this site. Go on, get out. Hope I run into you IRL.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2013 09:17     Subject: This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Are girls all doomed to be in the lowest reading groups because the boys are a full year older?


Based upon what I've seen and heard from other classes, the highest reading group has been girl-heavy across the grade, even though the class, as a whole, has many more boys.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2013 09:11     Subject: This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
Anonymous wrote: Are girls all doomed to be in the lowest reading groups because the boys are a full year older?

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Mother of girls here. No matter how long you hold your white male sons back, they won't outread girls in my experience. Perhaps a conversation about any "math gap" might be in order, however.

Isn't the latest research indicating that it's boys who are at a disadvantage in a classroom that tends to punish typical "boy" behaviors, while "girl" behaviors are rewarded? Isn't redshirting often about giving boys a chance to learn better self-discipline - sitting still, being quiet, being less physical, working cooperatively, etc. etc.?

Anecdotally, I have watched my girls side-by-side with little boys for ten years and the differences in social skills and need for physical activity are quite pronounced. I don't really want my not-yet-five year old in a K class with your enormous 6 year old boy, but I can't say I blame the parents of boys for wanting to give them a chance to mature a bit before enrolling them in the ridiculously competitive modern Kindergarten class.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2013 16:11     Subject: Re:This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
You are hurting your kids by not exposing them to basics early.


Those kids who are drilled too early are missing understanding. I taught K/first grade. It is very sad to see a child come in "reading" who does not understand one word.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2013 11:33     Subject: Re:This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
No, really. Go back and look through this thread or the gazillion others on the topic. It's the moms of the on-timers who get their wazoo all out of whack. Just relax. It's not a race.


Yes, and the hold-backers are full of warmth and support! Like saying "relax" and assuming the on-timers feel guilty!

Hugs to you!
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2013 11:15     Subject: This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ITA, pushing sight words on kids who should be playing in preschool is depressing.


Kids need a balance of free play, activities and academics. You are hurting your kids by not exposing them to basics early. I didn't need to push. Mine just started reading one day, each around three.

Well if that's your experience, the same must be true for everyone, right?
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2013 11:04     Subject: This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
To a PP: No, our DD is not an only, but I appreciate your thought. She is our oldest and I was a FT SAHM, and didn't send her to preschool because I so loved being with my little ones. We talked with her Ped. about our dilemma and how aKG So, instead of FD KG, we opted for half day PreK when she was 4 (turning 5 in Sept) instead.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2013 09:21     Subject: Re:This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:Maturity and academics are two different things. If the child is in a group of kids outside the school, does he tend to play more with the younger ones? That's one measure.


At five, no child should be "mature." That is why they are kids.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2013 09:20     Subject: This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:ITA, pushing sight words on kids who should be playing in preschool is depressing.


Kids need a balance of free play, activities and academics. You are hurting your kids by not exposing them to basics early. I didn't need to push. Mine just started reading one day, each around three.