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Anonymous

06/12/2013 20:47 Subject: Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

Sorry, but I wasn't the one whining for 30 pages here, you have me confused with someone else.

Seems to me the bulk of the whining was everyone else carrying on for page after page after page with red herrings repeated ad nauseam about "little Johnny's bored therefore he must be gifted" and clueless nonsense like "why are you saying your kid's needs aren't met, we have AAP and G&T here in VA, I don't get it" and "oh, can't everyone afford to move to a big house fancy suburb or send their kids to a private school?"

Anonymous

06/12/2013 16:56 Subject: Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

Anonymous wrote:Yes, like poor management and misplaced priorities that keeps a huge amount of the funding it gets from going toward actually providing an adequate education for any of their kids, whether normal, special needs or G&T.

They won't ever be able to tackle much of anything as long as that's the situation.

So basically your suggestion is, "give up on DCPS, they are hopeless."

You keep putting words in our mouths. But you've worn me out, and I'm not going down that particular rabbit hole with you.

I don't get why you think the solution for DC schools lies is whining for 30 pages on DCUM, though. Why not use all that energy to do something constructive about DC schools?

Anonymous

06/12/2013 16:44 Subject: Re:Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

Anyone who wants to is welcome to try to improve the dc schools.

Anonymous

06/12/2013 16:39 Subject: Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

Yes, like poor management and misplaced priorities that keeps a huge amount of the funding it gets from going toward actually providing an adequate education for any of their kids, whether normal, special needs or G&T.

They won't ever be able to tackle much of anything as long as that's the situation.

So basically your suggestion is, "give up on DCPS, they are hopeless."

Anonymous

06/12/2013 13:58 Subject: Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

Nope. We're telling you that GT education is a good thing, but you should move to the burbs to get it, like some of us did. DC has massively urgent problems to deal with first.

Anonymous

06/12/2013 13:54 Subject: Re:Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has more twists than a mystery novel. But I think I have some idea. OPs DC complains of being bored in school. Could that mean Dc is "gifted???" So research begins. But DC does not seem gifted by the definitions. So Dc is a special kind of gifted. Or those other parents are just wrong. Wait they whole system is wrong! Still there is a pattern that keeps repeating itself with the gifted activities...

Now on to DC school. Not good. Not a good report at all But don't all the best people live in DC? Shouldn't the best schools be there, too? How can that be that DC has bad schools? Oh wait, charters! But they can be hard to get into and very demanding.

How about private? They are kidding about the cost right? No, they are not. And they have standards. No not really, that part is a joke!

What do the other parents do? ON, no!! They moved to the suburbs. Not THE SUBURBS!!!!

Not moving to the suburbs for better school. That would mean ...life in the burbs.....

OH NO!

Welcome to the conundrum of educating your precious snowflake! It is a well worn path...

Wrong and wrong again.

Nobody here has ever said anything about arriving at the conclusion that their child is gifted simply because they are bored. You've been told that over and over again for 30 pages and it still hasn't sunk in, you don't listen and just keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again ad nauseam.

And likewise, even after being told for 30 pages, you still haven't caught on to the fact that not all of us have the wealth and luxury of being able to send our kids to privates or move out to the burbs.

I can't imagine how anyone can be so obtuse and obstinate. You truly must work hard at it.

First PP, I think you're right. This really looks like someone wants GT programs as a substitute for expensive private schools. As a way to escape a lousy school system with charters that are hard to get into, without giving up that fun Woodley Park or Tenleytown neighborhood.

You might not be surprised to learn, in fact you probably already know, that this specter of an "elite enclave" is one of the biggest objections some people raise. The diversity debate also continues to exist on MoCo and VA, especially TJ.

I don't agree. I am not interested in sending kids to "elite enclaves" or "expensive private schools". The only thing I want is an appropriate education that makes the most of kids' capabilities at all levels, whether gifted, normal or special needs. And that's a responsibility that DCPS has, but does not meet. And all of these irrational sidebars and objections about "elitism" are doing nothing but obfuscating that basic premise. Fundamentally, the folks arguing against providing G&T are telling us that they are not interested in meeting kids needs and providing an appropriate education that maximizes their potential.

Anonymous

06/12/2013 13:42 Subject: Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

Anonymous wrote:
We have asked you why it's reasonable for your kid to take away money from other kids. You never responded.

Time to put up or shut up. NOW.
1. Explain why DC should take money away from other kids and give it to your kid.
2. Solve all the concerns about creating elite enclaves.

If you can't/won't answer these questions, you need to move your selfish, entitled butt to the burbs and get DC tested for GT there.

You don't have to take money away from other kids to give it to GT kids. You can ability group. You can classroom group. You can excuse students from repetitive lessons to work on their own projects. You can ask students to create projects that they want to work on.

Good teachers already do all these things. Not all teachers can differentiate. But show me where it says that DC teachers aren't allowed to differentiate.

So tell us again what you want?

Anonymous

06/12/2013 13:36 Subject: Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
That's not at all what was being said. There are many kids in DC public schools who have been tested to have very high IQ but whose needs are not being met by the DCPS system.

30 pages and you still didn't comprehend that basic reality that there are indeed children who test with high IQ, for whom traditional curriculum is not enough and whose needs are not being met (and yes, many do indeed get bored as a result), and instead, once again you insisted on repeating your same old stale, backward-logic nonsense about "oh, my little Johnny is bored, therefore he must be gifted, no need for testing, just give me the program". Nobody here but you has ever suggested that boredom is an indicator of giftedness. What's been said is that all kids can get bored. But more to the point regarding gifted children is that gifted children may more easily get bored in class because it moves at far too slow of a pace and is too repetetive for gifted learners, and that they can benefit from acceleration and additional challenge from the normal curriculum. That's an entirely different concept from what you keep repeating.

We heard you the 1st time. And the next 100 times. [b]We don't agree with you. You just don't want to accept that.[/b]

By "many" you mean maybe 1,000-1,500 kids with IQs of 130 or more (you're such a sleazy debater). Compare that to thousands of kids who arrive in K not ready for school and thousands more high schoolers who can't read, and don't get me started on the many other needy populations in DC. Then take a good, long look at DC's budget.

We have asked you why it's reasonable for your kid to take away money from other kids. You never responded.

Time to put up or shut up. NOW.
1. Explain why DC should take money away from other kids and give it to your kid.
2. Solve all the concerns about creating elite enclaves.

If you can't/won't answer these questions, you need to move your selfish, entitled butt to the burbs and get DC tested for GT there.

Anonymous

06/12/2013 12:50 Subject: Re:Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has more twists than a mystery novel. But I think I have some idea. OPs DC complains of being bored in school. Could that mean Dc is "gifted???" So research begins. But DC does not seem gifted by the definitions. So Dc is a special kind of gifted. Or those other parents are just wrong. Wait they whole system is wrong! Still there is a pattern that keeps repeating itself with the gifted activities...

Now on to DC school. Not good. Not a good report at all But don't all the best people live in DC? Shouldn't the best schools be there, too? How can that be that DC has bad schools? Oh wait, charters! But they can be hard to get into and very demanding.

How about private? They are kidding about the cost right? No, they are not. And they have standards. No not really, that part is a joke!

What do the other parents do? ON, no!! They moved to the suburbs. Not THE SUBURBS!!!!

Not moving to the suburbs for better school. That would mean ...life in the burbs.....

OH NO!

Welcome to the conundrum of educating your precious snowflake! It is a well worn path...

Wrong and wrong again.

Nobody here has ever said anything about arriving at the conclusion that their child is gifted simply because they are bored. You've been told that over and over again for 30 pages and it still hasn't sunk in, you don't listen and just keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again ad nauseam.

And likewise, even after being told for 30 pages, you still haven't caught on to the fact that not all of us have the wealth and luxury of being able to send our kids to privates or move out to the burbs.

I can't imagine how anyone can be so obtuse and obstinate. You truly must work hard at it.

First PP, I think you're right. This really looks like someone wants GT programs as a substitute for expensive private schools. As a way to escape a lousy school system with charters that are hard to get into, without giving up that fun Woodley Park or Tenleytown neighborhood.

You might not be surprised to learn, in fact you probably already know, that this specter of an "elite enclave" is one of the biggest objections some people raise. The diversity debate also continues to exist on MoCo and VA, especially TJ.

Thanks.

Anonymous

06/12/2013 12:46 Subject: Re:Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has more twists than a mystery novel. But I think I have some idea. OPs DC complains of being bored in school. Could that mean Dc is "gifted???" So research begins. But DC does not seem gifted by the definitions. So Dc is a special kind of gifted. Or those other parents are just wrong. Wait they whole system is wrong! Still there is a pattern that keeps repeating itself with the gifted activities...

Now on to DC school. Not good. Not a good report at all But don't all the best people live in DC? Shouldn't the best schools be there, too? How can that be that DC has bad schools? Oh wait, charters! But they can be hard to get into and very demanding.

How about private? They are kidding about the cost right? No, they are not. And they have standards. No not really, that part is a joke!

What do the other parents do? ON, no!! They moved to the suburbs. Not THE SUBURBS!!!!

Not moving to the suburbs for better school. That would mean ...life in the burbs.....

OH NO!

Welcome to the conundrum of educating your precious snowflake! It is a well worn path...

Wrong and wrong again.

Nobody here has ever said anything about arriving at the conclusion that their child is gifted simply because they are bored. You've been told that over and over again for 30 pages and it still hasn't sunk in, you don't listen and just keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again ad nauseam.

And likewise, even after being told for 30 pages, you still haven't caught on to the fact that not all of us have the wealth and luxury of being able to send our kids to privates or move out to the burbs.

I can't imagine how anyone can be so obtuse and obstinate. You truly must work hard at it.

First PP, I think you're right. This really looks like someone wants GT programs as a substitute for expensive private schools. As a way to escape a lousy school system with charters that are hard to get into, without giving up that fun Woodley Park or Tenleytown neighborhood.

You might not be surprised to learn, in fact you probably already know, that this specter of an "elite enclave" is one of the biggest objections some people raise. The diversity debate also continues to exist on MoCo and VA, especially TJ.

Anonymous

06/12/2013 12:31 Subject: Re:Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has more twists than a mystery novel. But I think I have some idea. OPs DC complains of being bored in school. Could that mean Dc is "gifted???" So research begins. But DC does not seem gifted by the definitions. So Dc is a special kind of gifted. Or those other parents are just wrong. Wait they whole system is wrong! Still there is a pattern that keeps repeating itself with the gifted activities...

Now on to DC school. Not good. Not a good report at all But don't all the best people live in DC? Shouldn't the best schools be there, too? How can that be that DC has bad schools? Oh wait, charters! But they can be hard to get into and very demanding.

How about private? They are kidding about the cost right? No, they are not. And they have standards. No not really, that part is a joke!

What do the other parents do? ON, no!! They moved to the suburbs. Not THE SUBURBS!!!!

Not moving to the suburbs for better school. That would mean ...life in the burbs.....

OH NO!

Welcome to the conundrum of educating your precious snowflake! It is a well worn path...

Wrong and wrong again.

Nobody here has ever said anything about arriving at the conclusion that their child is gifted simply because they are bored. You've been told that over and over again for 30 pages and it still hasn't sunk in, you don't listen and just keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again ad nauseam.

And likewise, even after being told for 30 pages, you still haven't caught on to the fact that not all of us have the wealth and luxury of being able to send our kids to privates or move out to the burbs.

I can't imagine how anyone can be so obtuse and obstinate. You truly must work hard at it.

You fell for it again! I have not been told for 30 pages anything. NOT the same person.

Sorry you are so upset! and poor! You really cannot speak for everyone on this thread as if they are one person.

Anonymous

06/12/2013 12:23 Subject: Re:Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

Anonymous wrote:This thread has more twists than a mystery novel. But I think I have some idea. OPs DC complains of being bored in school. Could that mean Dc is "gifted???" So research begins. But DC does not seem gifted by the definitions. So Dc is a special kind of gifted. Or those other parents are just wrong. Wait they whole system is wrong! Still there is a pattern that keeps repeating itself with the gifted activities...

Now on to DC school. Not good. Not a good report at all But don't all the best people live in DC? Shouldn't the best schools be there, too? How can that be that DC has bad schools? Oh wait, charters! But they can be hard to get into and very demanding.

How about private? They are kidding about the cost right? No, they are not. And they have standards. No not really, that part is a joke!

What do the other parents do? ON, no!! They moved to the suburbs. Not THE SUBURBS!!!!

Not moving to the suburbs for better school. That would mean ...life in the burbs.....

OH NO!

Welcome to the conundrum of educating your precious snowflake! It is a well worn path...

Wrong and wrong again.

Nobody here has ever said anything about arriving at the conclusion that their child is gifted simply because they are bored. You've been told that over and over again for 30 pages and it still hasn't sunk in, you don't listen and just keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again ad nauseam.

And likewise, even after being told for 30 pages, you still haven't caught on to the fact that not all of us have the wealth and luxury of being able to send our kids to privates or move out to the burbs.

I can't imagine how anyone can be so obtuse and obstinate. You truly must work hard at it.

Anonymous

06/12/2013 11:35 Subject: Re:Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

This thread has more twists than a mystery novel. But I think I have some idea. OPs DC complains of being bored in school. Could that mean Dc is "gifted???" So research begins. But DC does not seem gifted by the definitions. So Dc is a special kind of gifted. Or those other parents are just wrong. Wait they whole system is wrong! Still there is a pattern that keeps repeating itself with the gifted activities...

Now on to DC school. Not good. Not a good report at all

But don't all the best people live in DC? Shouldn't the best schools be there, too? How can that be that DC has bad schools? Oh wait, charters! But they can be hard to get into and very demanding.

How about private? They are kidding about the cost right? No, they are not. And they have standards. No not really, that part is a joke!

What do the other parents do? ON, no!! They moved to the suburbs. Not THE SUBURBS!!!!

Not moving to the suburbs for better school. That would mean ...life in the burbs.....

OH NO!

Welcome to the conundrum of educating your precious snowflake! It is a well worn path...

Anonymous

06/12/2013 10:18 Subject: Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

Anonymous wrote:

Time to put up or shut up. NOW.
1. Explain why DC should take money away from other kids and give it to your kid.
2. Solve all the concerns about creating elite enclaves.

If you can't/won't answer these questions, you need to move your selfish, entitled butt to the burbs and get DC tested for GT there.

Talk about sleazy debating, that's a big fat red herring.

Nobody ever said anything about taking money away from other kids. No money has to be taken away from other kids in order to have a G&T program. The schools in the burbs manage to offer G&T and do so spending LESS per student than DCPS. End the gross financial mismanagement at DCPS and there's more than enough money to meet the needs of ALL students.

You STILL haven't answered the question about where DC is going to find the money to provide special services to your kid. Please answer it.

How is it that you don't know that MoCo and VA have some of the richest counties in the entire USA? DC is not rich. Also, DC has many mire struggling students than the burbs, so while I agree there's some mismanagement, this is not the only reason for higher per-kid spending in DC. Also, most people don't find the arguments that go, "we can balance the budget just by cutting waste and fraud and stopping the purchase of $500 toilet seats" very convincing.

It should be obvious to you that you can't compare budgets between all these school districts.