Anonymous wrote:After watching the documentary I strongly believe she either fell overboard purposefully or on accident. I do think it is odd that the FBI seems to still be on the case.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the easiest explanation is it. She died falling off the ship. Accident most likely.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she jumped. End of story.

I know people say, “But she was HAPPY! She had a new job! She had a new puppy!”

Ok? “Happy” people commit suicide every single day, leaving behind them families in disbelief and shock. I think unless you’ve actually stood on the brink, facing two choices, exhausted from pretending, you can’t understand how someone could be “happy” one moment and dead by their own hands the next.

I agree I have known two people who committed suicide. I saw each of then within one week of their death, and they each seemed relatively happy, with no outward sign of distress.

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But she looked happy hours before she went missing. You really think that she spent the night dancing, chatting, smoking with her brother and then 3 hours later chose to jump? With no catalyst? It’s not like she had a phone and could’ve seen her gf cheating or something else that would’ve triggered her.

The catalyst happens long before the act, and in between there's a peace that a decision has been made to do it.
Clearly you have very little first hand experience of people who go through this.

This. People don’t get it. To someone who has been there, it makes sense.

She had made peace with the woman she loved and who she had wronged.

She had spent a final day having fun with her family on a Caribbean island.

She was dosed with liquid courage.

She didn’t leave a note (that we know of, but I don’t trust the father or brother) but the note to her girlfriend had an awful lot of foreshadowing.

This is the most probable thing that happened.

Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. People spotted Natalie Halloway for years after she was killed. Same with so many missing people who were later found dead.

Prostitution was legal at that time in Curaçao which isn’t surprising considering it is a protectorate of the Netherlands. It makes no sense she was sex trafficked to an island of 150,000 people where visa were given to legal prostitutes. Then add there was a very sizeable award for her so people would have been very motivated for her to talk, and other images of the person in the photo the fbi analyzed involved in sex work are missing tattoos. Yellow wasn’t from that island he is from a British colony where English is spoken not the language that is spoken in curaçao. And a female Caucasian jawbone was found on the beach in Aruba which the cruise ship had just left and is nearby. People thought it was Natalee Haloways so it was tested for her dna but not Amy’s.

It's a lot more complicated than you're stating. Trafficking is in fact common but Amy did not fit the profile.
https://www.state.gov/reports/2024-trafficking-in-persons-report/curacao/

That said, I think she fell. Intoxicated accident not suicide.

In Curacao only foreign women are prostitutes and trafficking for the sex trade involved women from Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia, Peru, the Dominican Republic. Curacao is a small country of 150k. An American woman speaking English and not Spanish being trafficked would be an extreme anomaly.

There is zero chance she was somehow kidnapped and trafficked. It is pretty awful that Yellow had his livelihood ruined. So many are so quick to jump on the foreign black guy must have been involved. But no one seems to point out how weird it is that the maga brother is sharing a bed with his sister and the maga dad wrote a 3 page letter to the girlfriend and is sharing a tiny room with her. They were both the last to see her alive. Not hard to imagine them telling Amy she was going to burn in hell for being gay and was going to give the family AIDS.

Honestly you think her family are that stupid?

Absolutely yes in 1998. It was still the AIDS epidemic era and lesbians even though they were NOT a high risk group where lumped together with gay men as pariahs in the AIDS epidemic.

The family is so suspicious. The father supposedly can't find Amy but never says he woke up Brad who was the last person to see her alive. Ron goes out of the cabin at around 3ish to look for Amy and Brad. He comes back, then Brad comes back, then Amy comes back around 3:40 am. All this and Amy's mother never wakes up? That is a lot of commotion. Then supposedly she sneaks out of the cabin and never goes into the bathroom to even pee or wash her face. Anyone who has been on a cruise knows the door to the hallway is heavy and makes a lot of noise.

Then the father is so panicked even though the 23 year old stays out by herself until 3:40 am after the brother doesn't wait for her to walk her back to the cabin? Then after only being missing am hour they insist the boat shouldn't dock? The family for sure knows more and their timeline has shifted over the years.

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Anonymous wrote:True Crime Garage podcast just dropped a 2 part deep dive…it’s really good.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-garage/id1062418176?i=1000721726377

I listened. Thanks for the recommendation. I didn’t think it was the best, but they did fill in a lot of the gaps from the Netflix documentary.

Any other podcasts on the topic people like?

What gaps?

Anonymous wrote:I think the easiest explanation is it. She died falling off the ship. Accident most likely.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she jumped. End of story.

I know people say, “But she was HAPPY! She had a new job! She had a new puppy!”

Ok? “Happy” people commit suicide every single day, leaving behind them families in disbelief and shock. I think unless you’ve actually stood on the brink, facing two choices, exhausted from pretending, you can’t understand how someone could be “happy” one moment and dead by their own hands the next.

I agree I have known two people who committed suicide. I saw each of then within one week of their death, and they each seemed relatively happy, with no outward sign of distress.

+1 me too

But she looked happy hours before she went missing. You really think that she spent the night dancing, chatting, smoking with her brother and then 3 hours later chose to jump? With no catalyst? It’s not like she had a phone and could’ve seen her gf cheating or something else that would’ve triggered her.

The catalyst happens long before the act, and in between there's a peace that a decision has been made to do it.
Clearly you have very little first hand experience of people who go through this.

This. People don’t get it. To someone who has been there, it makes sense.

She had made peace with the woman she loved and who she had wronged.

She had spent a final day having fun with her family on a Caribbean island.

She was dosed with liquid courage.

She didn’t leave a note (that we know of, but I don’t trust the father or brother) but the note to her girlfriend had an awful lot of foreshadowing.

This is the most probable thing that happened.

Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. People spotted Natalie Halloway for years after she was killed. Same with so many missing people who were later found dead.

Prostitution was legal at that time in Curaçao which isn’t surprising considering it is a protectorate of the Netherlands. It makes no sense she was sex trafficked to an island of 150,000 people where visa were given to legal prostitutes. Then add there was a very sizeable award for her so people would have been very motivated for her to talk, and other images of the person in the photo the fbi analyzed involved in sex work are missing tattoos. Yellow wasn’t from that island he is from a British colony where English is spoken not the language that is spoken in curaçao. And a female Caucasian jawbone was found on the beach in Aruba which the cruise ship had just left and is nearby. People thought it was Natalee Haloways so it was tested for her dna but not Amy’s.

It's a lot more complicated than you're stating. Trafficking is in fact common but Amy did not fit the profile.
https://www.state.gov/reports/2024-trafficking-in-persons-report/curacao/

That said, I think she fell. Intoxicated accident not suicide.

In Curacao only foreign women are prostitutes and trafficking for the sex trade involved women from Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia, Peru, the Dominican Republic. Curacao is a small country of 150k. An American woman speaking English and not Spanish being trafficked would be an extreme anomaly.

There is zero chance she was somehow kidnapped and trafficked. It is pretty awful that Yellow had his livelihood ruined. So many are so quick to jump on the foreign black guy must have been involved. But no one seems to point out how weird it is that the maga brother is sharing a bed with his sister and the maga dad wrote a 3 page letter to the girlfriend and is sharing a tiny room with her. They were both the last to see her alive. Not hard to imagine them telling Amy she was going to burn in hell for being gay and was going to give the family AIDS.

Honestly you think her family are that stupid?

Absolutely yes in 1998. It was still the AIDS epidemic era and lesbians even though they were NOT a high risk group where lumped together with gay men as pariahs in the AIDS epidemic.

The family is so suspicious. The father supposedly can't find Amy but never says he woke up Brad who was the last person to see her alive. Ron goes out of the cabin at around 3ish to look for Amy and Brad. He comes back, then Brad comes back, then Amy comes back around 3:40 am. All this and Amy's mother never wakes up? That is a lot of commotion. Then supposedly she sneaks out of the cabin and never goes into the bathroom to even pee or wash her face. Anyone who has been on a cruise knows the door to the hallway is heavy and makes a lot of noise.

Then the father is so panicked even though the 23 year old stays out by herself until 3:40 am after the brother doesn't wait for her to walk her back to the cabin? Then after only being missing am hour they insist the boat shouldn't dock? The family for sure knows more and their timeline has shifted over the years.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she jumped. End of story.

I know people say, “But she was HAPPY! She had a new job! She had a new puppy!”

Ok? “Happy” people commit suicide every single day, leaving behind them families in disbelief and shock. I think unless you’ve actually stood on the brink, facing two choices, exhausted from pretending, you can’t understand how someone could be “happy” one moment and dead by their own hands the next.

I agree I have known two people who committed suicide. I saw each of then within one week of their death, and they each seemed relatively happy, with no outward sign of distress.

+1 me too

But she looked happy hours before she went missing. You really think that she spent the night dancing, chatting, smoking with her brother and then 3 hours later chose to jump? With no catalyst? It’s not like she had a phone and could’ve seen her gf cheating or something else that would’ve triggered her.

The catalyst happens long before the act, and in between there's a peace that a decision has been made to do it.
Clearly you have very little first hand experience of people who go through this.

This. People don’t get it. To someone who has been there, it makes sense.

She had made peace with the woman she loved and who she had wronged.

She had spent a final day having fun with her family on a Caribbean island.

She was dosed with liquid courage.

She didn’t leave a note (that we know of, but I don’t trust the father or brother) but the note to her girlfriend had an awful lot of foreshadowing.

This is the most probable thing that happened.

Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. People spotted Natalie Halloway for years after she was killed. Same with so many missing people who were later found dead.

Prostitution was legal at that time in Curaçao which isn’t surprising considering it is a protectorate of the Netherlands. It makes no sense she was sex trafficked to an island of 150,000 people where visa were given to legal prostitutes. Then add there was a very sizeable award for her so people would have been very motivated for her to talk, and other images of the person in the photo the fbi analyzed involved in sex work are missing tattoos. Yellow wasn’t from that island he is from a British colony where English is spoken not the language that is spoken in curaçao. And a female Caucasian jawbone was found on the beach in Aruba which the cruise ship had just left and is nearby. People thought it was Natalee Haloways so it was tested for her dna but not Amy’s.

It's a lot more complicated than you're stating. Trafficking is in fact common but Amy did not fit the profile.
https://www.state.gov/reports/2024-trafficking-in-persons-report/curacao/

That said, I think she fell. Intoxicated accident not suicide.

In Curacao only foreign women are prostitutes and trafficking for the sex trade involved women from Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia, Peru, the Dominican Republic. Curacao is a small country of 150k. An American woman speaking English and not Spanish being trafficked would be an extreme anomaly.

There is zero chance she was somehow kidnapped and trafficked. It is pretty awful that Yellow had his livelihood ruined. So many are so quick to jump on the foreign black guy must have been involved. But no one seems to point out how weird it is that the maga brother is sharing a bed with his sister and the maga dad wrote a 3 page letter to the girlfriend and is sharing a tiny room with her. They were both the last to see her alive. Not hard to imagine them telling Amy she was going to burn in hell for being gay and was going to give the family AIDS.

Honestly you think her family are that stupid?

Anonymous wrote:Since the balcony door was open, there’s no way she could have opened the cabin door to the hallway without waking up everyone. A wind tunnel is created and there is a loud gush of wind that makes the entire metal cabin vibrate before the door slams.

Anonymous wrote:I am currently watching this documentary. I listened to the podcast years ago and am so glad to see the story has become a documentary.



To those who think it was a suicide, how do you account for the witnesses who saw her in town? There were many!

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Anonymous wrote:True Crime Garage podcast just dropped a 2 part deep dive…it’s really good.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-garage/id1062418176?i=1000721726377

I listened. Thanks for the recommendation. I didn’t think it was the best, but they did fill in a lot of the gaps from the Netflix documentary.

Any other podcasts on the topic people like?