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Post 03/11/2025 20:15     Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

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Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?


With provisional green cards? Fine by me.


In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/


No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.

+1 not the same.


Even if it's not the same no one on the Left cared about this new precedent created by Biden and it swept broadly enough to now deny a Visa to anyone who disagrees with WH foreign policy. That now means anyone who thinks Israel are colonial settlers and there should only be a single Palestinian state.

"Even if it's not the same, I'm going to bring in something that's not related because I can't defend this."

Once again, a green card holder is protected by US laws. A foreigner wanting a visa to come to the US is not protected by US law.


Not if they committed fraud by intentionally misrepresenting their involvement in activities asked about on the form. If you lie about something that is material, and it comes to light, your benefit, including citizenship, can be revoked and you will be deported.

Regardless of what you think he did, he is protected by US law in that he gets his day in court, ie, due process.

A foreigner requesting a visa to come to the US doesn't get due process.

Get it?

Also, Melania lied on her green card application. Why isn't she getting deported?


His administrative day in court is with an immigration judge. What don't you get?

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Post 03/11/2025 20:12     Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

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Anonymous wrote:LOL.

Seriously- this guy was a few steps away from driving a stolen Uber into Times Square.

He is getting off easy. Send him back to wherever and let IDF or one of our drones deal with him.

Left is getting worked up about an agitator looking for a fight - he will get it; just out of US.


This man was a Columbia graduate with an eight months pregnant wife.

This is terrifying and no wonder we have a terror problem at all with the mentality that you just mentioned.

What if you were taken from your home at random thanks to your religion? That used to happen to Jews not even 100 years ago you know. You’re supporting a Zionist Gestapo


No equivalence. He was arrested not at random but for his conduct, not his religious affiliation. His wife's pregnancy is irrelevant to anything, as is the fact he is married, or if he had 19 children already.

You may or may not think his conduct rises to the level of a deportable offense. That's a function of the conduct and the relevant law.

It's unhelpful to make patently unsupportable and clearly wrong claims about the basis for his detention.


Arrested without a warrant?


Warrantless arrests are permissible under many circumstances.


A guy sitting in his home? Cite the exception that applies here.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2025 20:07     Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

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Anonymous wrote:Speech isn't free from consequences. Sounds like he FAFO.

Well done by the Trump administration, perfectly justified


The whole point of Free Speech is those consequences can’t come from the government.

Just admit that you hate the First Amendment.


Assaulting people is not free speech, but you know that.

I explained a very basic part of the First Amendment, and you moved the goal posts to assault? Predictable.


You say he’s deported for utilizing his free speech rights, and you’re wrong. He assaulted someone, that’s not free speech.


Did he? Was there an arrest and conviction? Or should the government take your word for it? Due process is the issue under discussion.
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Post 03/11/2025 19:48     Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

Anonymous wrote:He aligns with Hamas. Once you do the you are not non-violent.


He is not but even if he was why should the US do anything? It is not in the US interest to get involved with unimportant country such as Israel.
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Post 03/11/2025 19:37     Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

Where’s the poster that’s always screaming about totalitarianism? Huh.
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Post 03/11/2025 19:33     Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

He aligns with Hamas. Once you do the you are not non-violent.
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Post 03/11/2025 19:30     Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

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Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.


What does “espousing terroristic activity” mean? What law? Stop making stuff up. Last time I checked, the First Amendment was actually the law. I’m Jewish and don’t agree with what this person said or did, but I am appalled by this arrest and the notion that lawful residents are being deported for exercising free speech.


Facts matter so here is the truth: Mahmoud IS a peaceful 1st user of the 1st Amendment AND a VERY effective advocate for justice in Palestine/Israel and THAT is why he is a being targeted by what we should all denounce if we have any respect for OUR country's hard won 1st and 4th Amendment. To review:

President Donald Trump has likened Mahmoud Khalil to a terrorist sympathizer. Others portray him as a Palestinian activist, singled out for his outspoken support for his own people.

But long before he was arrested by federal agents Saturday night, Khalil told CNN he felt called to advocate for the liberation of both the Palestinian and Jewish people as a refugee.

As a Palestinian student, I believe that the liberation of the Palestinian people and the Jewish people are intertwined and go hand-by-hand and you cannot achieve one without the other,” he told CNN last spring when he was one of the negotiators representing student demonstrators during talks with Columbia University’s administration.

“Our movement is a movement for social justice and freedom and equality for everyone,” he said.
Re-Read those words . That is not a terrorist supporter.

Most of all this man was arrested WITHOUT a warrant and taken in a " forced disappearance" to obstruct his lawyer from being able to provide him due process . THAT should chill every American and anyone who does not demand his immediate release should just turn in their citizenship now... don't you dare hang a flag on your porch on Memorial Day or 4th of July because you are cowards who didn't protect your country from this slide into Fascism.

BTW, just so everyone knows, Betar, the group that is responsible for sending Trump and ICE lists of 1st Amendment participant demonstrators, is designated by theAnti- Defamation League as a HATE group... so those of you applauding compiling list of American college kids who support the ICJ and UN Resolutions to prevent the Genocide of the Palestinian people, you are officially aligning yourselves with a designated hate group.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/nyregion/mahmoud-khalil-hearing-constitution.html
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2025 19:21     Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

Anonymous wrote:Trump is trying to distract from a collapsing economy.

That’s it.


Exactly. The radical, extremist Zionists euphorically fapping themselves into oblivion will have a rude awakening when they inevitably end up in the path of this wave of corruption.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2025 17:49     Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

Trump is trying to distract from a collapsing economy.

That’s it.
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Post 03/11/2025 17:47     Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

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Anonymous wrote:Those Palestine protesters didn't care enough to vote for Kamala, so I guess I don't care that Trump is doing what he is to them


Word.

The Democratic Party is wasting its time on this. Palestinians aren’t going to support our candidates. I understand that it’s a due process issue but most people want terrorists deported. It’s malpractice that ICE didn't investigate before seizing him. At least look at his funding stream. He was present and interviewed when they broke into the Barnard Library and the staff member was assaulted. My perception was that he was the leader.


The Jan 6th traitors attacked police but they got pardoned. So clearly attacking staff is no longer a crime.
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Post 03/11/2025 17:45     Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

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Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.


So why aren't those supporting Israel's terrorist government getting deported either then?


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Israel is not a designated terrorist organization. Hamas is.

I don't know what this guy did but if he committed a felony, he can get deported regardless of his greencard.

Did he engage in violent protest?

What did he say or do wrt hamas?

He hasn't been charged with a felony.


Yet. This is a story which is still unfolding. This will play out in court. Until that process is completed, speculation is all that is possible.

That said, I'd say it's a safe bet he'll be deported in the end, and that such a result will meet with widespread acclaim.

Like Columbia's loss of funding, this is important to the government as a demonstration of the allowable limits of both behavior and inaction when it comes to activities which are nominally political protests but which often appear to veer off to be vandalism, terroristic threats, intimidation, trespassing, and other criminal offenses. It is a warning, which like-minded "protestors" ignore at their peril, especially non-citizens who are here by sufferance and not by right.


Because you are a Trumper, you actually believe that "yet." Before they take you in, the charge should be announced. Taking people in and then hustling for a charge because you messed up doesn't inspire confidence in due process.

I'm sure a forced confession will be produce6
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Post 03/11/2025 17:43     Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

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Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.


So why aren't those supporting Israel's terrorist government getting deported either then?


DP

Israel is not a designated terrorist organization. Hamas is.

I don't know what this guy did but if he committed a felony, he can get deported regardless of his greencard.

Did he engage in violent protest?

What did he say or do wrt hamas?


DP

Let’s examine the designation process.

😭😭😭
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2025 17:42     Subject: Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

Shocking! Trump now going after Thomas Massie, one of the only members of Congress who has refused to serve as a corrupt whore for foreign lobbying on U.S. soil.
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Post 03/11/2025 17:26     Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.


So why aren't those supporting Israel's terrorist government getting deported either then?


DP

Israel is not a designated terrorist organization. Hamas is.

I don't know what this guy did but if he committed a felony, he can get deported regardless of his greencard.

Did he engage in violent protest?

What did he say or do wrt hamas?

He hasn't been charged with a felony.


Yet. This is a story which is still unfolding. This will play out in court. Until that process is completed, speculation is all that is possible.

That said, I'd say it's a safe bet he'll be deported in the end, and that such a result will meet with widespread acclaim.

Like Columbia's loss of funding, this is important to the government as a demonstration of the allowable limits of both behavior and inaction when it comes to activities which are nominally political protests but which often appear to veer off to be vandalism, terroristic threats, intimidation, trespassing, and other criminal offenses. It is a warning, which like-minded "protestors" ignore at their peril, especially non-citizens who are here by sufferance and not by right.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2025 17:17     Subject: Re:Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.


So why aren't those supporting Israel's terrorist government getting deported either then?


DP

Israel is not a designated terrorist organization. Hamas is.

I don't know what this guy did but if he committed a felony, he can get deported regardless of his greencard.

Did he engage in violent protest?

What did he say or do wrt hamas?

He hasn't been charged with a felony.