Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?
With provisional green cards? Fine by me.
In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/
No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.
+1 not the same.
Even if it's not the same no one on the Left cared about this new precedent created by Biden and it swept broadly enough to now deny a Visa to anyone who disagrees with WH foreign policy. That now means anyone who thinks Israel are colonial settlers and there should only be a single Palestinian state.
"Even if it's not the same, I'm going to bring in something that's not related because I can't defend this."
Once again, a green card holder is protected by US laws. A foreigner wanting a visa to come to the US is not protected by US law.
Not if they committed fraud by intentionally misrepresenting their involvement in activities asked about on the form. If you lie about something that is material, and it comes to light, your benefit, including citizenship, can be revoked and you will be deported.
Regardless of what you think he did, he is protected by US law in that he gets his day in court, ie, due process.
A foreigner requesting a visa to come to the US doesn't get due process.
Get it?
Also, Melania lied on her green card application. Why isn't she getting deported?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL.
Seriously- this guy was a few steps away from driving a stolen Uber into Times Square.
He is getting off easy. Send him back to wherever and let IDF or one of our drones deal with him.
Left is getting worked up about an agitator looking for a fight - he will get it; just out of US.
This man was a Columbia graduate with an eight months pregnant wife.
This is terrifying and no wonder we have a terror problem at all with the mentality that you just mentioned.
What if you were taken from your home at random thanks to your religion? That used to happen to Jews not even 100 years ago you know. You’re supporting a Zionist Gestapo
No equivalence. He was arrested not at random but for his conduct, not his religious affiliation. His wife's pregnancy is irrelevant to anything, as is the fact he is married, or if he had 19 children already.
You may or may not think his conduct rises to the level of a deportable offense. That's a function of the conduct and the relevant law.
It's unhelpful to make patently unsupportable and clearly wrong claims about the basis for his detention.
Arrested without a warrant?
Warrantless arrests are permissible under many circumstances.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Speech isn't free from consequences. Sounds like he FAFO.
Well done by the Trump administration, perfectly justified
The whole point of Free Speech is those consequences can’t come from the government.
Just admit that you hate the First Amendment.
Assaulting people is not free speech, but you know that.
I explained a very basic part of the First Amendment, and you moved the goal posts to assault? Predictable.
You say he’s deported for utilizing his free speech rights, and you’re wrong. He assaulted someone, that’s not free speech.
Anonymous wrote:He aligns with Hamas. Once you do the you are not non-violent.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.
What does “espousing terroristic activity” mean? What law? Stop making stuff up. Last time I checked, the First Amendment was actually the law. I’m Jewish and don’t agree with what this person said or did, but I am appalled by this arrest and the notion that lawful residents are being deported for exercising free speech.
Anonymous wrote:Trump is trying to distract from a collapsing economy.
That’s it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Those Palestine protesters didn't care enough to vote for Kamala, so I guess I don't care that Trump is doing what he is to them
Word.
The Democratic Party is wasting its time on this. Palestinians aren’t going to support our candidates. I understand that it’s a due process issue but most people want terrorists deported. It’s malpractice that ICE didn't investigate before seizing him. At least look at his funding stream. He was present and interviewed when they broke into the Barnard Library and the staff member was assaulted. My perception was that he was the leader.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.
So why aren't those supporting Israel's terrorist government getting deported either then?
DP
Israel is not a designated terrorist organization. Hamas is.
I don't know what this guy did but if he committed a felony, he can get deported regardless of his greencard.
Did he engage in violent protest?
What did he say or do wrt hamas?
He hasn't been charged with a felony.
Yet. This is a story which is still unfolding. This will play out in court. Until that process is completed, speculation is all that is possible.
That said, I'd say it's a safe bet he'll be deported in the end, and that such a result will meet with widespread acclaim.
Like Columbia's loss of funding, this is important to the government as a demonstration of the allowable limits of both behavior and inaction when it comes to activities which are nominally political protests but which often appear to veer off to be vandalism, terroristic threats, intimidation, trespassing, and other criminal offenses. It is a warning, which like-minded "protestors" ignore at their peril, especially non-citizens who are here by sufferance and not by right.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.
So why aren't those supporting Israel's terrorist government getting deported either then?
DP
Israel is not a designated terrorist organization. Hamas is.
I don't know what this guy did but if he committed a felony, he can get deported regardless of his greencard.
Did he engage in violent protest?
What did he say or do wrt hamas?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.
So why aren't those supporting Israel's terrorist government getting deported either then?
DP
Israel is not a designated terrorist organization. Hamas is.
I don't know what this guy did but if he committed a felony, he can get deported regardless of his greencard.
Did he engage in violent protest?
What did he say or do wrt hamas?
He hasn't been charged with a felony.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.
So why aren't those supporting Israel's terrorist government getting deported either then?
DP
Israel is not a designated terrorist organization. Hamas is.
I don't know what this guy did but if he committed a felony, he can get deported regardless of his greencard.
Did he engage in violent protest?
What did he say or do wrt hamas?