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Anonymous wrote:The only thing they could pin on him as offensive was his statement that he didn’t know Kamala Harris is Black.

That’s it.

She’s Indian-American isn’t she? She looks more Indian than Black to me, too. Look at her hair.

If her trolls are going to keep screaming anti-White screeds while she makes her entire candidacy about her descriptors, she might want to develop a thicker skin. Unless she’s ashamed of her Indian heritage that is.

Just WOW. Speechless.

She was raised by her Brahmin mother, raised Hindu, speaks Hindi — and her father also has Indian ancestry. She wasn’t even raised in the United States from the time she was 12. She can identify however she wants, but she is not a product of the African-American experience, and certainly not ADOS.

She is not even part of the American immigrant experience, in that neither of her Ph.D. parents became U.S. citizens.

As a Brahmin, the dirty little secret is that she is against anti-caste legislation in the United States. Someone should ask her about that, if she ever does give an unscripted interview.

She went to Howard University, an HBCU and she joined AKA, a Pen-Hellenic Service Sorority.

I think she is well within her rights to define her experience and life the way she wants.

So if she says she’s ADOS, that’s OK?

What is ADOS?

It stands for African descendant of slaves, and is an inside community term for differentiating between Black Americans who are descended from enslaved individuals and those who are descended from immigrants who were either never enslaved or who arrived after the civil war.

The thing is, vice president Harris has always been very clear that her experience is not the same as the ADOS experience. But her experience growing up in Oakland, and then studying at Howard, and ss an AKA, and then just existing in politics as a biracial, Black woman, has exposed to her to a pretty broad cross-section of the Black American experience.

There are also just a lot in families in the United States at this point who have both ADOS and Black immigrant heritage. It's not a wedge issue that is going to get any points for the GOP.

She did not grow up Oakland. She was born there, went to Midwest upper middle class neighborhoods with her professor parents when she was 2, returned to California to live in Berkeley when she was 6, then moved to Montreal when she was 12 (and attended an upper class, non-URM high school) until she was 18. Since her 6 years in Montreal equaled her time in Berkeley (a big difference from Oakland), you could just as validly say she grew up in Montreal. Stop the spin.

So you’re trying to say that if you don’t grow up poor, you don’t get to call yourself black. Like people suddenly stop seeing color when your parents have a phd.

Looks like a winning strategy to me! Good luck you guys!

Such a weird thing, almost Trumpian... so tell us, exactly at what level of net worth does one suddenly no longer be black? /s

I think it goes along with the "black jobs" thing. Like "the illegals are going to take your jobs away, because you guys are the ones that are doing all those jobs that are beneath white people". Never mind that black jobs are doctors and engineers and accountants and ....

vice-presidents and presidents!

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing. Identify as mixed race. But even addressing the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans is “grasping at straws.” Beyond weird.

You think this is the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans?

Did Niki or Vivek take a position on this pivotal issue in their campaigns? Has Vance addressed it since his wife is Indian-American? Heck, what's Trump's position on it?

Yes, did you Cons ask Nikki Haley and Vivek (or heck, even Bobby Jindal) to address this? Should Vance address this since he's married to an Indian American and his kids are biracial? Or do you only try to make this an issue for Harris?

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Never came up with them. Probably because the base doesn't care to wade into "Hindu stuff"

It's worse than that. There were racist attacks on Usha the moment they debuted as a couple and I'm not kidding that folks were saying, "Oh wait, he's married to a brown?" Like really, in 2024? Of course they don't. They are barely tolerated on the right and think that somehow the racists are going to let them in the club.

Actually, it was liberals attacking their marriage because they did not believe that their marriage was real because he married “to a brown”.

You got a link for that?

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing. Identify as mixed race. But even addressing the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans is “grasping at straws.” Beyond weird.

You think this is the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans?

Did Niki or Vivek take a position on this pivotal issue in their campaigns? Has Vance addressed it since his wife is Indian-American? Heck, what's Trump's position on it?

Yes, did you Cons ask Nikki Haley and Vivek (or heck, even Bobby Jindal) to address this? Should Vance address this since he's married to an Indian American and his kids are biracial? Or do you only try to make this an issue for Harris?

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Never came up with them. Probably because the base doesn't care to wade into "Hindu stuff"

It's worse than that. There were racist attacks on Usha the moment they debuted as a couple and I'm not kidding that folks were saying, "Oh wait, he's married to a brown?" Like really, in 2024? Of course they don't. They are barely tolerated on the right and think that somehow the racists are going to let them in the club.

Actually, it was liberals attacking their marriage because they did not believe that their marriage was real because he married “to a brown”.

Anonymous wrote:Trump looked weird yesterday. So, so weird.

Trump looked weird yesterday. So, so weird.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a whole lot of ink being spilled hoping to put wedges between Kamala Harris and her own family / communities. Blood is thicker than water, people. Her communities have known her for 60 years. Who thinks they're going to suddenly disown her over election year politics? Everyone knows who she is and where she came from. At least everyone who knew her name before 2020

I don’t think there is a black person alive who is going to decide Kamala Harris isn’t black because DT said so. He is trying to make her seem sneaky and untrustworthy to white people. We’ll see how many people fall for this. It seems sort of flat to me because it has no basis in reality.

That's exactly the scummy, sleazy thing Trump is doing. And it's the same kind of "othering" that he did to Obama, ultimately leading to the disgusting birtherism conspiracy theories and everything else

Will it work? We deserve whatever happens to us, as a country, if it does.

Anonymous wrote:I think we can all agree that Republicans in this thread are showing just how weird their party is on this issue and so many others. They can’t help themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing they could pin on him as offensive was his statement that he didn’t know Kamala Harris is Black.

That’s it.

She’s Indian-American isn’t she? She looks more Indian than Black to me, too. Look at her hair.

If her trolls are going to keep screaming anti-White screeds while she makes her entire candidacy about her descriptors, she might want to develop a thicker skin. Unless she’s ashamed of her Indian heritage that is.

Just WOW. Speechless.

She was raised by her Brahmin mother, raised Hindu, speaks Hindi — and her father also has Indian ancestry. She wasn’t even raised in the United States from the time she was 12. She can identify however she wants, but she is not a product of the African-American experience, and certainly not ADOS.

She is not even part of the American immigrant experience, in that neither of her Ph.D. parents became U.S. citizens.

As a Brahmin, the dirty little secret is that she is against anti-caste legislation in the United States. Someone should ask her about that, if she ever does give an unscripted interview.

She went to Howard University, an HBCU and she joined AKA, a Pen-Hellenic Service Sorority.

I think she is well within her rights to define her experience and life the way she wants.

So if she says she’s ADOS, that’s OK?

What is ADOS?

It stands for African descendant of slaves, and is an inside community term for differentiating between Black Americans who are descended from enslaved individuals and those who are descended from immigrants who were either never enslaved or who arrived after the civil war.

The thing is, vice president Harris has always been very clear that her experience is not the same as the ADOS experience. But her experience growing up in Oakland, and then studying at Howard, and ss an AKA, and then just existing in politics as a biracial, Black woman, has exposed to her to a pretty broad cross-section of the Black American experience.

There are also just a lot in families in the United States at this point who have both ADOS and Black immigrant heritage. It's not a wedge issue that is going to get any points for the GOP.

She did not grow up Oakland. She was born there, went to Midwest upper middle class neighborhoods with her professor parents when she was 2, returned to California to live in Berkeley when she was 6, then moved to Montreal when she was 12 (and attended an upper class, non-URM high school) until she was 18. Since her 6 years in Montreal equaled her time in Berkeley (a big difference from Oakland), you could just as validly say she grew up in Montreal. Stop the spin.

So you’re trying to say that if you don’t grow up poor, you don’t get to call yourself black. Like people suddenly stop seeing color when your parents have a phd.

Looks like a winning strategy to me! Good luck you guys!

Such a weird thing, almost Trumpian... so tell us, exactly at what level of net worth does one suddenly no longer be black? /s

I think it goes along with the "black jobs" thing. Like "the illegals are going to take your jobs away, because you guys are the ones that are doing all those jobs that are beneath white people". Never mind that black jobs are doctors and engineers and accountants and ....

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Anonymous wrote:There is a whole lot of ink being spilled hoping to put wedges between Kamala Harris and her own family / communities. Blood is thicker than water, people. Her communities have known her for 60 years. Who thinks they're going to suddenly disown her over election year politics? Everyone knows who she is and where she came from. At least everyone who knew her name before 2020

I don’t think there is a black person alive who is going to decide Kamala Harris isn’t black because DT said so. He is trying to make her seem sneaky and untrustworthy to white people. We’ll see how many people fall for this. It seems sort of flat to me because it has no basis in reality.

I do think that they think they may peel off some black voters with this line of attack. That's why they're trying it out. But without any black people in the room to provide some cultural competence, they are trying out messages that are in and of themselves racist.

More likely to offend the many many black people who are also biracial.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a whole lot of ink being spilled hoping to put wedges between Kamala Harris and her own family / communities. Blood is thicker than water, people. Her communities have known her for 60 years. Who thinks they're going to suddenly disown her over election year politics? Everyone knows who she is and where she came from. At least everyone who knew her name before 2020

I don’t think there is a black person alive who is going to decide Kamala Harris isn’t black because DT said so. He is trying to make her seem sneaky and untrustworthy to white people. We’ll see how many people fall for this. It seems sort of flat to me because it has no basis in reality.

That's exactly the scummy, sleazy thing Trump is doing. And it's the same kind of "othering" that he did to Obama, ultimately leading to the disgusting birtherism conspiracy theories and everything else

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Anonymous wrote:There is a whole lot of ink being spilled hoping to put wedges between Kamala Harris and her own family / communities. Blood is thicker than water, people. Her communities have known her for 60 years. Who thinks they're going to suddenly disown her over election year politics? Everyone knows who she is and where she came from. At least everyone who knew her name before 2020

I don’t think there is a black person alive who is going to decide Kamala Harris isn’t black because DT said so. He is trying to make her seem sneaky and untrustworthy to white people. We’ll see how many people fall for this. It seems sort of flat to me because it has no basis in reality.

I do think that they think they may peel off some black voters with this line of attack. That's why they're trying it out. But without any black people in the room to provide some cultural competence, they are trying out messages that are in and of themselves racist.

No, there are very few black or Indian voters who are going to give this much thought. They are already proud of having a member of their community being a candidate and they will support that candidate over the known racist, white-supremacist Trump.

What Trump is trying to do is peel white identity politics voters away from the Democrats. There are borderline Democratic/Independent votes who are willing to be be swayed because they think they need to bend over backwards to help URM. So voting for a minority black woman is a signal that they aren't racist themselves. These are the people that Trump is trying to sway. He's trying to convince these people that Harris is not black enough or that Harris is not Indian enough or that she tries to hide one side of her racial identity or ignores issues for her "community".

Blacks are not going to believe that she is not black enough. Indians are not going to believe that she is not Indian enough. If anything, these communities will believe that it is better to get her in office and then appeal to her sense of self-identification with their group to sway her to be more involved in their causes. She is the first step that many are waiting for (or second step in the case of black Americans).

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing they could pin on him as offensive was his statement that he didn’t know Kamala Harris is Black.

That’s it.

She’s Indian-American isn’t she? She looks more Indian than Black to me, too. Look at her hair.

If her trolls are going to keep screaming anti-White screeds while she makes her entire candidacy about her descriptors, she might want to develop a thicker skin. Unless she’s ashamed of her Indian heritage that is.

Just WOW. Speechless.

She was raised by her Brahmin mother, raised Hindu, speaks Hindi — and her father also has Indian ancestry. She wasn’t even raised in the United States from the time she was 12. She can identify however she wants, but she is not a product of the African-American experience, and certainly not ADOS.

She is not even part of the American immigrant experience, in that neither of her Ph.D. parents became U.S. citizens.

As a Brahmin, the dirty little secret is that she is against anti-caste legislation in the United States. Someone should ask her about that, if she ever does give an unscripted interview.

She went to Howard University, an HBCU and she joined AKA, a Pen-Hellenic Service Sorority.

I think she is well within her rights to define her experience and life the way she wants.

So if she says she’s ADOS, that’s OK?

What is ADOS?

It stands for African descendant of slaves, and is an inside community term for differentiating between Black Americans who are descended from enslaved individuals and those who are descended from immigrants who were either never enslaved or who arrived after the civil war.

The thing is, vice president Harris has always been very clear that her experience is not the same as the ADOS experience. But her experience growing up in Oakland, and then studying at Howard, and ss an AKA, and then just existing in politics as a biracial, Black woman, has exposed to her to a pretty broad cross-section of the Black American experience.

There are also just a lot in families in the United States at this point who have both ADOS and Black immigrant heritage. It's not a wedge issue that is going to get any points for the GOP.

She did not grow up Oakland. She was born there, went to Midwest upper middle class neighborhoods with her professor parents when she was 2, returned to California to live in Berkeley when she was 6, then moved to Montreal when she was 12 (and attended an upper class, non-URM high school) until she was 18. Since her 6 years in Montreal equaled her time in Berkeley (a big difference from Oakland), you could just as validly say she grew up in Montreal. Stop the spin.

So you’re trying to say that if you don’t grow up poor, you don’t get to call yourself black. Like people suddenly stop seeing color when your parents have a phd.

Looks like a winning strategy to me! Good luck you guys!

Such a weird thing, almost Trumpian... so tell us, exactly at what level of net worth does one suddenly no longer be black? /s

Anonymous wrote:Amazing. Identify as mixed race. But even addressing the most pivotal political issue facing Indian Americans is “grasping at straws.” Beyond weird.

Is your claim that "cast discrimination" is the pivotal political issue facing "Indian Americans"? Please show your work.

I am an Indian American and I hadn't heard of it until I read this thread!

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Anonymous wrote:There is a whole lot of ink being spilled hoping to put wedges between Kamala Harris and her own family / communities. Blood is thicker than water, people. Her communities have known her for 60 years. Who thinks they're going to suddenly disown her over election year politics? Everyone knows who she is and where she came from. At least everyone who knew her name before 2020

I don’t think there is a black person alive who is going to decide Kamala Harris isn’t black because DT said so. He is trying to make her seem sneaky and untrustworthy to white people. We’ll see how many people fall for this. It seems sort of flat to me because it has no basis in reality.

I do think that they think they may peel off some black voters with this line of attack. That's why they're trying it out. But without any black people in the room to provide some cultural competence, they are trying out messages that are in and of themselves racist.

And that’s why I think it’s not for black people at all. Delivering the message the way he did was to get a subset of white people to nod along with him.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump clearly never got the memo about better keeping your mouth shut and being thought a fool than……….

You are right, he didn't get the memo because he is an immature, entitled narcissist with zero filters and zero self-restraint who says whatever pops in his head. Just watch this short clip of congressional testimony he gave from the 1980s going on about how Native American casino owners "don't look Indian". It is astounding. He has always been this way.

Trump is a stone-cold racist of the worse kind. He is charismatic and serves his racism with a smile.