Anonymous
Post 08/03/2023 01:40     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Interesting article:

https://sports.yahoo.com/commentary-usc-may-not-able-024451155.html

UCLA & USC will enter Big Ten Conference at full shares, most likely U Washington & U oregon will not.
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2023 01:29     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A very recent article--published about an hour ago--states that the Big Ten contract does not have an escalator clause in their media rights agreement in the event U Washington, U Oregon, Stanford, and/or UCal-Berkeley is added to the conference. (There is--according to reports--an escalator clause for the addition of Notre Dame however.) Without an escalator clause, the Big Ten's network partners will have significant input into any decision regarding the addition of new members to the Big Ten Conference.

The Big 12 Conference media rights contract does have an escalator clause so the Big 12 can, presumably, move faster than the Big Ten regarding expansion since their is one less hurdle to address.



If true that is very interesting. The whole subject is fascinating to me. That Oregon and Washington would substantially lower the payout per member is a pretty big deal.



I think that you may misunderstand. Any of the 4 Pac-12 teams invited to join the Big Ten Conference would receive a lower payout for about 6 years--until the current contract expires. The current Big Ten Conference member schools would receive full payouts or possibly more if U Washington & U Oregon join.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2023 22:45     Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Poor Washington St and Oregon St. Going to be forced to join the Mountain West
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2023 22:37     Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
I can see Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Cal being invited. It prevents any other conference from being coast to coast with major brands. The B1G would relegate the SEC to the South and then probably poach Texas and Florida for the dagger.


I’m sure Texas and Fla are just fine where they are- no incentive to move, even if the SEC brings FSU in (for Fla).
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2023 22:33     Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
That PAC-? media deal is teh suck.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2023 22:29     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:CURRENT RUMOR RE: FSU LEAVING ACC:

The current rumor is that FSU has negotiated an exit fee of $300 million to be paid in ten annual installments of $30 million per year. The numbers work as FSU would be stuck for the next 12 or 13 years (through 2036) earning about $40 to $60 million less per year than if it joined the Big Ten.

Clemson also wants out of the ACC now.

These are rumors being floated by long-time college football insiders/analysts.

Same folks are stating that both FSU & Clemson are headed to the Big Ten Conference.

I find this difficult to believe as it seems more like a ploy to get ESPN & Disney to give more money to FSU & Clemson to keep the ACC intact. Nevertheless, that's the rumor.

Other talk is that U Utah & ASU want to remain in the Pac-12. Supposedly U Utah does not want to be in the same conference with arch-rival BYU. Seems silly to me, but that is the rumor. Not clear about ASU's alleged reasons.

Any new Pac-12 contract will pay about $20 million per year per team if there are no other departures from the Pac-12. This is a huge pay cut. The contract would contain escalator clauses for TV ratings and for hitting certain subscription target goals.


The 300 million is not near the amount the ACC will want.

The current deal is $150 million plus all the tv revenue from home games in the new conference for 13 years. The Big Ten for example is at 100 million per school in 2 years and increasing rapidly so home games only will be 50 million and maybe up to 100 million by 2036 so let’s say 75 million per year average plus the 150 million exit fee. That would be 1.215 BILLION to the ACC. Why would they accept less than 1/3 of that?

These rumors are total nonsense.


I have to agree. The number would be a lot higher. But there will not be a number. BC and Duke will not sign off. Period. None of the others will sign off unless they also have new homes.




Are their signatures or approval needed ?


Yes. Because you cannot break the grant of rights unless every ACC team agrees.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2023 22:26     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Quick Thought:

This moves the Big Ten away from a focus on adding Notre Dame as ND wants independence, in large part, to be viewed as a national school. Heavy Catholic population in the Northeast US & in the Middle Atlantic states.

Bring on U Miami & Georgia Tech, then Notre Dame would be foolish to remain independent when the Big Ten is truly the national conference.



Agree but Gtech and Miami cannot get out of the ACC. No way to do it. Unless big 10, sec, and big 12 take all of the ACC. Only takes one to stop anyone from leaving.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2023 22:09     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
(OP again):

Expect the University of Arizona to announce that it is leaving the Pac-12 to go to the Big 12 Conference within a few days.

Not clear yet as to whether or not ASU and the University of Utah will follow U Arizona, but my best guess is that they will. (Utah has openly expressed a desire to remain in a conference which does not include BYU, but money talks and U Utah does not appear to have any other reasonable option. Regardless, we should know within the next week or so.)
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2023 22:04     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:(Op here):

Please reread my thread starting post which I wrote on July 2, 2023--one month ago. Everything that I wrote appears to be spot-on correct regarding U Washington, U Oregon, U Colorado, Stanford, UCal-Berkeley, and the Big Ten Conference.


That they are considering? That means almost nothing.


LOl ! Just wait a few days or a week.

I assure you that U Colorado has moved to the Big 12 Conference as I predicted on July 2.

Also, the Big Ten Conference waited for that move just as I wrote on July 2.

Almost 100% certain that an announcement is forthcoming that U Washington & U Oregon are leaving the Pac-12 and moving to the Big Ten Conference--just as I wrote on July 2.

Just as I wrote on July 2 in the thread starting post: Stanford & UCal-Berkeley are likely to follow U Washington & U Oregon to the Big Ten IF the Big Ten offers--which is about an 80% chance as of today.

Everything that I wrote--and I am the OP, but I am NOT Dan Wetzel of Yahoo Sports--is accurate including the portion about Notre Dame.

Confirmation may take until the end of next week for some of it, but it looks to be spot-on accurate at this moment.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2023 21:55     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:(Op here):

Please reread my thread starting post which I wrote on July 2, 2023--one month ago. Everything that I wrote appears to be spot-on correct regarding U Washington, U Oregon, U Colorado, Stanford, UCal-Berkeley, and the Big Ten Conference.


That they are considering? That means almost nothing.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2023 21:52     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
(Op here):

Please reread my thread starting post which I wrote on July 2, 2023--one month ago. Everything that I wrote appears to be spot-on correct regarding U Washington, U Oregon, U Colorado, Stanford, UCal-Berkeley, and the Big Ten Conference.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2023 21:43     Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1686794637086781447?t=SYKFofSkDyka5z7x-xThBg&s=19

Just the way I called it pages ago….


I am the OP of this thread. I started this thread a month ago---on July 2, 2023 and called it correctly in the very first post in this thread.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2023 21:29     Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1686794637086781447?t=SYKFofSkDyka5z7x-xThBg&s=19

Just the way I called it pages ago….
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2023 19:36     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:A very recent article--published about an hour ago--states that the Big Ten contract does not have an escalator clause in their media rights agreement in the event U Washington, U Oregon, Stanford, and/or UCal-Berkeley is added to the conference. (There is--according to reports--an escalator clause for the addition of Notre Dame however.) Without an escalator clause, the Big Ten's network partners will have significant input into any decision regarding the addition of new members to the Big Ten Conference.

The Big 12 Conference media rights contract does have an escalator clause so the Big 12 can, presumably, move faster than the Big Ten regarding expansion since their is one less hurdle to address.



If true that is very interesting. The whole subject is fascinating to me. That Oregon and Washington would substantially lower the payout per member is a pretty big deal.

Anonymous
Post 08/02/2023 19:22     Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
I can see Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Cal being invited. It prevents any other conference from being coast to coast with major brands. The B1G would relegate the SEC to the South and then probably poach Texas and Florida for the dagger.


Doubtful that the Big Ten can, or would even attempt to, poach either team from the SEC; those teams would have to approach the Big Ten Conference stating their intention to leave the SEC--something that is highly unlikely to happen.