Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”
I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.
Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.
+1
It's not really a secret what is going on here.
Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.
It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”
I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.
Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.
+1
It's not really a secret what is going on here.
Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.
OMG you are a fool. I don't drink soda or eat large pizzas. I work out, I'm actually very strong. But I'm still overweight (not obese, just firmly overweight). Every plan I've tried wants me to eat 1200 calories. I'm only 5'0". Its not sustainable long term.
It's difficult. I don't begrudge anyone who uses medication to assist them with maintaining the loss. I wish them all long term success.
- NP
Workout for 30 minutes to burn 300 calories and eat 1,500. That's sustainable.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone who is not obese will be upset that people lost weight taking a drug. I think the PP constantly posting about this has a mental health problem and is imagining this.
If the drugs are safe and widely available they could have a huge positive ripple effect. Obesity is a horrible health condition and costs the US $$$ in health care spending. If we return to a state where obesity is uncommon and people are not seeking out huge portions or a constant supply of high fat, high carb foods then the restaurant and food industry will respond to the changing demand with smaller normal portions.
I’m the PP with the friend who posted above. There are multiple people in this thread posting about how angry some posters are about the availability of the drug (and that anger is clearly visible; your denial of that is odd). I posted about how therapists are responding and there were other posts that weren’t mine. However, given that therapists in the field are currently having professional discussions about how to help patients address their profound anger, jealousy, and resentment about the existence of these drugs and other people taking them, I’d say that you are also in denial about how widespread and common that response is.
You might want to reflect on why it’s so important to you to deny reality.
That is not reality. I don’t know what more to tell you. People fabricate things on anonymous forums all the time. Do you really think heathy weight people are seeking therapy bc they are distraught and jealous over these meds, or talking about their imaginary anger toward them in work break rooms? I have no doubt these are made up posts. No one does this or is even thinking about them. If not for these threads I wouldn’t even be aware these meds exist. Please stop wasting energy thinking anyone cares if you take them
Guys, I think everyone should stop engaging the unstable Ozempic lady. She has resorted to batshit crazy theories about how skinny people aren't special anymore or that it's a blow to our identity that obese people can now become thin. She thinks that we are lashing out and upset. It's obvious something isn't right. She basically diagnoses anyone who disagrees with her as having some type of mental disorder, as if she knows what she is talking about. Dr. Phil 2.0![]()
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”
I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.
Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.
+1
It's not really a secret what is going on here.
Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.
OMG you are a fool. I don't drink soda or eat large pizzas. I work out, I'm actually very strong. But I'm still overweight (not obese, just firmly overweight). Every plan I've tried wants me to eat 1200 calories. I'm only 5'0". Its not sustainable long term.
It's difficult. I don't begrudge anyone who uses medication to assist them with maintaining the loss. I wish them all long term success.
- NP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone who is not obese will be upset that people lost weight taking a drug. I think the PP constantly posting about this has a mental health problem and is imagining this.
If the drugs are safe and widely available they could have a huge positive ripple effect. Obesity is a horrible health condition and costs the US $$$ in health care spending. If we return to a state where obesity is uncommon and people are not seeking out huge portions or a constant supply of high fat, high carb foods then the restaurant and food industry will respond to the changing demand with smaller normal portions.
I’m the PP with the friend who posted above. There are multiple people in this thread posting about how angry some posters are about the availability of the drug (and that anger is clearly visible; your denial of that is odd). I posted about how therapists are responding and there were other posts that weren’t mine. However, given that therapists in the field are currently having professional discussions about how to help patients address their profound anger, jealousy, and resentment about the existence of these drugs and other people taking them, I’d say that you are also in denial about how widespread and common that response is.
You might want to reflect on why it’s so important to you to deny reality.
That is not reality. I don’t know what more to tell you. People fabricate things on anonymous forums all the time. Do you really think heathy weight people are seeking therapy bc they are distraught and jealous over these meds, or talking about their imaginary anger toward them in work break rooms? I have no doubt these are made up posts. No one does this or is even thinking about them. If not for these threads I wouldn’t even be aware these meds exist. Please stop wasting energy thinking anyone cares if you take them
Guys, I think everyone should stop engaging the unstable Ozempic lady. She has resorted to batshit crazy theories about how skinny people aren't special anymore or that it's a blow to our identity that obese people can now become thin. She thinks that we are lashing out and upset. It's obvious something isn't right. She basically diagnoses anyone who disagrees with her as having some type of mental disorder, as if she knows what she is talking about. Dr. Phil 2.0![]()
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”
I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.
Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.
+1
It's not really a secret what is going on here.
Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”
I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.
Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.
+1
It's not really a secret what is going on here.
Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone who is not obese will be upset that people lost weight taking a drug. I think the PP constantly posting about this has a mental health problem and is imagining this.
If the drugs are safe and widely available they could have a huge positive ripple effect. Obesity is a horrible health condition and costs the US $$$ in health care spending. If we return to a state where obesity is uncommon and people are not seeking out huge portions or a constant supply of high fat, high carb foods then the restaurant and food industry will respond to the changing demand with smaller normal portions.
I’m the PP with the friend who posted above. There are multiple people in this thread posting about how angry some posters are about the availability of the drug (and that anger is clearly visible; your denial of that is odd). I posted about how therapists are responding and there were other posts that weren’t mine. However, given that therapists in the field are currently having professional discussions about how to help patients address their profound anger, jealousy, and resentment about the existence of these drugs and other people taking them, I’d say that you are also in denial about how widespread and common that response is.
You might want to reflect on why it’s so important to you to deny reality.
That is not reality. I don’t know what more to tell you. People fabricate things on anonymous forums all the time. Do you really think heathy weight people are seeking therapy bc they are distraught and jealous over these meds, or talking about their imaginary anger toward them in work break rooms? I have no doubt these are made up posts. No one does this or is even thinking about them. If not for these threads I wouldn’t even be aware these meds exist. Please stop wasting energy thinking anyone cares if you take them
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”
I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.
Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone who is not obese will be upset that people lost weight taking a drug. I think the PP constantly posting about this has a mental health problem and is imagining this.
If the drugs are safe and widely available they could have a huge positive ripple effect. Obesity is a horrible health condition and costs the US $$$ in health care spending. If we return to a state where obesity is uncommon and people are not seeking out huge portions or a constant supply of high fat, high carb foods then the restaurant and food industry will respond to the changing demand with smaller normal portions.
I’m the PP with the friend who posted above. There are multiple people in this thread posting about how angry some posters are about the availability of the drug (and that anger is clearly visible; your denial of that is odd). I posted about how therapists are responding and there were other posts that weren’t mine. However, given that therapists in the field are currently having professional discussions about how to help patients address their profound anger, jealousy, and resentment about the existence of these drugs and other people taking them, I’d say that you are also in denial about how widespread and common that response is.
You might want to reflect on why it’s so important to you to deny reality.
That is not reality. I don’t know what more to tell you. People fabricate things on anonymous forums all the time. Do you really think heathy weight people are seeking therapy bc they are distraught and jealous over these meds, or talking about their imaginary anger toward them in work break rooms? I have no doubt these are made up posts. No one does this or is even thinking about them. If not for these threads I wouldn’t even be aware these meds exist. Please stop wasting energy thinking anyone cares if you take them
Well, given that I have a real-life friend with a real-life therapist who is talking to real-life other therapists about this specific issue, I’m going to believe them, over an angry anonymous online poster like you. You are correct that people make up things online, and your increasingly-desperate-sounding insistence that the anger is “made up” goes into the category of made-up things online for me. I’m going to stick with what I see in my real life to reach my conclusions, thanks.
Your version of real life is not majority of people. I know zero people talking about this
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone who is not obese will be upset that people lost weight taking a drug. I think the PP constantly posting about this has a mental health problem and is imagining this.
If the drugs are safe and widely available they could have a huge positive ripple effect. Obesity is a horrible health condition and costs the US $$$ in health care spending. If we return to a state where obesity is uncommon and people are not seeking out huge portions or a constant supply of high fat, high carb foods then the restaurant and food industry will respond to the changing demand with smaller normal portions.
I’m the PP with the friend who posted above. There are multiple people in this thread posting about how angry some posters are about the availability of the drug (and that anger is clearly visible; your denial of that is odd). I posted about how therapists are responding and there were other posts that weren’t mine. However, given that therapists in the field are currently having professional discussions about how to help patients address their profound anger, jealousy, and resentment about the existence of these drugs and other people taking them, I’d say that you are also in denial about how widespread and common that response is.
You might want to reflect on why it’s so important to you to deny reality.
That is not reality. I don’t know what more to tell you. People fabricate things on anonymous forums all the time. Do you really think heathy weight people are seeking therapy bc they are distraught and jealous over these meds, or talking about their imaginary anger toward them in work break rooms? I have no doubt these are made up posts. No one does this or is even thinking about them. If not for these threads I wouldn’t even be aware these meds exist. Please stop wasting energy thinking anyone cares if you take them
Well, given that I have a real-life friend with a real-life therapist who is talking to real-life other therapists about this specific issue, I’m going to believe them, over an angry anonymous online poster like you. You are correct that people make up things online, and your increasingly-desperate-sounding insistence that the anger is “made up” goes into the category of made-up things online for me. I’m going to stick with what I see in my real life to reach my conclusions, thanks.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone who is not obese will be upset that people lost weight taking a drug. I think the PP constantly posting about this has a mental health problem and is imagining this.
If the drugs are safe and widely available they could have a huge positive ripple effect. Obesity is a horrible health condition and costs the US $$$ in health care spending. If we return to a state where obesity is uncommon and people are not seeking out huge portions or a constant supply of high fat, high carb foods then the restaurant and food industry will respond to the changing demand with smaller normal portions.
I’m the PP with the friend who posted above. There are multiple people in this thread posting about how angry some posters are about the availability of the drug (and that anger is clearly visible; your denial of that is odd). I posted about how therapists are responding and there were other posts that weren’t mine. However, given that therapists in the field are currently having professional discussions about how to help patients address their profound anger, jealousy, and resentment about the existence of these drugs and other people taking them, I’d say that you are also in denial about how widespread and common that response is.
You might want to reflect on why it’s so important to you to deny reality.
That is not reality. I don’t know what more to tell you. People fabricate things on anonymous forums all the time. Do you really think heathy weight people are seeking therapy bc they are distraught and jealous over these meds, or talking about their imaginary anger toward them in work break rooms? I have no doubt these are made up posts. No one does this or is even thinking about them. If not for these threads I wouldn’t even be aware these meds exist. Please stop wasting energy thinking anyone cares if you take them
Oh okay, so we’re just lying. That’s a great argument!
No one cares about your meds. Get over the paranoia
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone who is not obese will be upset that people lost weight taking a drug. I think the PP constantly posting about this has a mental health problem and is imagining this.
If the drugs are safe and widely available they could have a huge positive ripple effect. Obesity is a horrible health condition and costs the US $$$ in health care spending. If we return to a state where obesity is uncommon and people are not seeking out huge portions or a constant supply of high fat, high carb foods then the restaurant and food industry will respond to the changing demand with smaller normal portions.
I’m the PP with the friend who posted above. There are multiple people in this thread posting about how angry some posters are about the availability of the drug (and that anger is clearly visible; your denial of that is odd). I posted about how therapists are responding and there were other posts that weren’t mine. However, given that therapists in the field are currently having professional discussions about how to help patients address their profound anger, jealousy, and resentment about the existence of these drugs and other people taking them, I’d say that you are also in denial about how widespread and common that response is.
You might want to reflect on why it’s so important to you to deny reality.
That is not reality. I don’t know what more to tell you. People fabricate things on anonymous forums all the time. Do you really think heathy weight people are seeking therapy bc they are distraught and jealous over these meds, or talking about their imaginary anger toward them in work break rooms? I have no doubt these are made up posts. No one does this or is even thinking about them. If not for these threads I wouldn’t even be aware these meds exist. Please stop wasting energy thinking anyone cares if you take them
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone who is not obese will be upset that people lost weight taking a drug. I think the PP constantly posting about this has a mental health problem and is imagining this.
If the drugs are safe and widely available they could have a huge positive ripple effect. Obesity is a horrible health condition and costs the US $$$ in health care spending. If we return to a state where obesity is uncommon and people are not seeking out huge portions or a constant supply of high fat, high carb foods then the restaurant and food industry will respond to the changing demand with smaller normal portions.
I’m the PP with the friend who posted above. There are multiple people in this thread posting about how angry some posters are about the availability of the drug (and that anger is clearly visible; your denial of that is odd). I posted about how therapists are responding and there were other posts that weren’t mine. However, given that therapists in the field are currently having professional discussions about how to help patients address their profound anger, jealousy, and resentment about the existence of these drugs and other people taking them, I’d say that you are also in denial about how widespread and common that response is.
You might want to reflect on why it’s so important to you to deny reality.
That is not reality. I don’t know what more to tell you. People fabricate things on anonymous forums all the time. Do you really think heathy weight people are seeking therapy bc they are distraught and jealous over these meds, or talking about their imaginary anger toward them in work break rooms? I have no doubt these are made up posts. No one does this or is even thinking about them. If not for these threads I wouldn’t even be aware these meds exist. Please stop wasting energy thinking anyone cares if you take them
Oh okay, so we’re just lying. That’s a great argument!