Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.
Even better
HN Geometry req
Use Unweighted GPA from STEM classes
Do Not use teacher recs they are unreliable and have shown to be racially biased
Add hard geographic quotas proportional to the region's population
I like this.
If there aren’t enough qualified applicants then put those spots into pool for remaining applicants.
I’m torn on Geometry though. I know great STEM kids who ended up in Alg I honors in 8th. And by requiring Geometry we’ll get parents pushing more kids to take it too soon. Bad consequence.
Maybe this will help you. If you take Algebra I in 8th the base school can generally meet all the math needs. TJ should be for the most advanced students who have a harder time getting their needs met at a base school.
Not universally true. There are various reasons why kids may end up in Alg I. I wouldn’t want to eliminate 100% of those kids.
And do we want parents to push their kids into geometry any more than they already do? As we’ve seen, they will do anything to get their kids in. We already have way more kids in Geometry than should be there.
DP, you can't obtain perfect. Requiring that we sacrifice the 99% so that we chase after that 1% is irrational foolishness.
I also don’t like encouraging parents to push their kids into geometry prematurely.
I don't like encouraging parents to push their kids who aren't smart at STEM into schools like TJ.
Algebra I in 7th is NOT a high bar. Smart kids all over the world do fine with it. If a kid can't hack algebra in 7th, that kid is at best somewhat above average. About 10% of FCPS kids take Algebra in 7th and are fine with it. There is no reason to dip down into the pool of kids who are slightly above average in math for a magnet STEM school.
I'd rather see kids get pushed into geometry prematurely, struggle, and get bad grades in their middle schools than see them pushed into TJ, where they will struggle and wash out of the school. Overaccelerated kids who get bad grades in middle school can expunge the grade and retake the class the following year. Kids who wash out of TJ can't really recover from that.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.
Even better
HN Geometry req
Use Unweighted GPA from STEM classes
Do Not use teacher recs they are unreliable and have shown to be racially biased
Add hard geographic quotas proportional to the region's population
I like this.
If there aren’t enough qualified applicants then put those spots into pool for remaining applicants.
I’m torn on Geometry though. I know great STEM kids who ended up in Alg I honors in 8th. And by requiring Geometry we’ll get parents pushing more kids to take it too soon. Bad consequence.
Maybe this will help you. If you take Algebra I in 8th the base school can generally meet all the math needs. TJ should be for the most advanced students who have a harder time getting their needs met at a base school.
Not universally true. There are various reasons why kids may end up in Alg I. I wouldn’t want to eliminate 100% of those kids.
And do we want parents to push their kids into geometry any more than they already do? As we’ve seen, they will do anything to get their kids in. We already have way more kids in Geometry than should be there.
DP, you can't obtain perfect. Requiring that we sacrifice the 99% so that we chase after that 1% is irrational foolishness.
I also don’t like encouraging parents to push their kids into geometry prematurely.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.
Even better
HN Geometry req
Use Unweighted GPA from STEM classes
Do Not use teacher recs they are unreliable and have shown to be racially biased
Add hard geographic quotas proportional to the region's population
I like this.
If there aren’t enough qualified applicants then put those spots into pool for remaining applicants.
I’m torn on Geometry though. I know great STEM kids who ended up in Alg I honors in 8th. And by requiring Geometry we’ll get parents pushing more kids to take it too soon. Bad consequence.
Maybe this will help you. If you take Algebra I in 8th the base school can generally meet all the math needs. TJ should be for the most advanced students who have a harder time getting their needs met at a base school.
Not universally true. There are various reasons why kids may end up in Alg I. I wouldn’t want to eliminate 100% of those kids.
And do we want parents to push their kids into geometry any more than they already do? As we’ve seen, they will do anything to get their kids in. We already have way more kids in Geometry than should be there.
DP, you can't obtain perfect. Requiring that we sacrifice the 99% so that we chase after that 1% is irrational foolishness.
I also don’t like encouraging parents to push their kids into geometry prematurely.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.
This is purely for the sake of discussion (or argument for some) and none what we say will actually happen. Its good if everyone enters TJ have a higher base so school doesn't have to cater several skill levels. Having said, I would love to see
1. Geometry HN as a requirement (open up Algebra I to all in 7th)
2. Require HN for all the courses available in school.
3. Yes, min unweighted 3.75 GPA (weighted GPA will not matter as we are upping min requirements)
4. Use geographic quotas, but based on school pyramids instead of attending school, so we do not discriminate against AAP centers. Since center kids come from the whole pyramid, we still get a desired distribution.
5. Limit the geographic quotas to say 60% of total available admissions and leave the remaining 40% into an open pool.
6. Use teacher recommendations.
7. Give credit for STEM electives and after-school programs offered by the attending school. Every school offers them, though they may differ from school to school. Those who reject this, I would like to remind that TJ is a STEM school and we are looking for students who are interested in STEM and take advantage of opportunities available to them.
8. Any other recognizable achievements.
9. Yes, I support giving boost to poor kids, but qualifications need to be strictly evaluated. However, it should be like 35-40% of admissions go to poor students as its unfair to the rest. It should be more like 20%.
10. More importantly, the weightage should be adjusted appropriately and not like what it is now where creative essay writing essentially determines the admission. In 'my' opinion, we should have weightage 50% GPA, 20% essay and portrait sheet, 15% teacher/principal rec, 10% electives/after-school activities, 5% other achievements.
That is an excellent proposal. Should satisfy everyone but the diehards.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.
This is purely for the sake of discussion (or argument for some) and none what we say will actually happen. Its good if everyone enters TJ have a higher base so school doesn't have to cater several skill levels. Having said, I would love to see
1. Geometry HN as a requirement (open up Algebra I to all in 7th)
2. Require HN for all the courses available in school.
3. Yes, min unweighted 3.75 GPA (weighted GPA will not matter as we are upping min requirements)
4. Use geographic quotas, but based on school pyramids instead of attending school, so we do not discriminate against AAP centers. Since center kids come from the whole pyramid, we still get a desired distribution.
5. Limit the geographic quotas to say 60% of total available admissions and leave the remaining 40% into an open pool.
6. Use teacher recommendations.
7. Give credit for STEM electives and after-school programs offered by the attending school. Every school offers them, though they may differ from school to school. Those who reject this, I would like to remind that TJ is a STEM school and we are looking for students who are interested in STEM and take advantage of opportunities available to them.
8. Any other recognizable achievements.
9. Yes, I support giving boost to poor kids, but qualifications need to be strictly evaluated. However, it should be like 35-40% of admissions go to poor students as its unfair to the rest. It should be more like 20%.
10. More importantly, the weightage should be adjusted appropriately and not like what it is now where creative essay writing essentially determines the admission. In 'my' opinion, we should have weightage 50% GPA, 20% essay and portrait sheet, 15% teacher/principal rec, 10% electives/after-school activities, 5% other achievements.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.
This is purely for the sake of discussion (or argument for some) and none what we say will actually happen. Its good if everyone enters TJ have a higher base so school doesn't have to cater several skill levels. Having said, I would love to see
1. Geometry HN as a requirement (open up Algebra I to all in 7th)
2. Require HN for all the courses available in school.
3. Yes, min unweighted 3.75 GPA (weighted GPA will not matter as we are upping min requirements)
4. Use geographic quotas, but based on school pyramids instead of attending school, so we do not discriminate against AAP centers. Since center kids come from the whole pyramid, we still get a desired distribution.
5. Limit the geographic quotas to say 60% of total available admissions and leave the remaining 40% into an open pool.
6. Use teacher recommendations.
7. Give credit for STEM electives and after-school programs offered by the attending school. Every school offers them, though they may differ from school to school. Those who reject this, I would like to remind that TJ is a STEM school and we are looking for students who are interested in STEM and take advantage of opportunities available to them.
8. Any other recognizable achievements.
9. Yes, I support giving boost to poor kids, but qualifications need to be strictly evaluated. However, it should be like 35-40% of admissions go to poor students as its unfair to the rest. It should be more like 20%.
10. More importantly, the weightage should be adjusted appropriately and not like what it is now where creative essay writing essentially determines the admission. In 'my' opinion, we should have weightage 50% GPA, 20% essay and portrait sheet, 15% teacher/principal rec, 10% electives/after-school activities, 5% other achievements.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.
Even better
HN Geometry req
Use Unweighted GPA from STEM classes
Do Not use teacher recs they are unreliable and have shown to be racially biased
Add hard geographic quotas proportional to the region's population
I like this.
If there aren’t enough qualified applicants then put those spots into pool for remaining applicants.
I’m torn on Geometry though. I know great STEM kids who ended up in Alg I honors in 8th. And by requiring Geometry we’ll get parents pushing more kids to take it too soon. Bad consequence.
Maybe this will help you. If you take Algebra I in 8th the base school can generally meet all the math needs. TJ should be for the most advanced students who have a harder time getting their needs met at a base school.
Not universally true. There are various reasons why kids may end up in Alg I. I wouldn’t want to eliminate 100% of those kids.
And do we want parents to push their kids into geometry any more than they already do? As we’ve seen, they will do anything to get their kids in. We already have way more kids in Geometry than should be there.
DP, you can't obtain perfect. Requiring that we sacrifice the 99% so that we chase after that 1% is irrational foolishness.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.
This is purely for the sake of discussion (or argument for some) and none what we say will actually happen. Its good if everyone enters TJ have a higher base so school doesn't have to cater several skill levels. Having said, I would love to see
1. Geometry HN as a requirement (open up Algebra I to all in 7th)
2. Require HN for all the courses available in school.
3. Yes, min unweighted 3.75 GPA (weighted GPA will not matter as we are upping min requirements)
4. Use geographic quotas, but based on school pyramids instead of attending school, so we do not discriminate against AAP centers. Since center kids come from the whole pyramid, we still get a desired distribution.
5. Limit the geographic quotas to say 60% of total available admissions and leave the remaining 40% into an open pool.
6. Use teacher recommendations.
7. Give credit for STEM electives and after-school programs offered by the attending school. Every school offers them, though they may differ from school to school. Those who reject this, I would like to remind that TJ is a STEM school and we are looking for students who are interested in STEM and take advantage of opportunities available to them.
8. Any other recognizable achievements.
9. Yes, I support giving boost to poor kids, but qualifications need to be strictly evaluated. However, it should be like 35-40% of admissions go to poor students as its unfair to the rest. It should be more like 20%.
10. More importantly, the weightage should be adjusted appropriately and not like what it is now where creative essay writing essentially determines the admission. In 'my' opinion, we should have weightage 50% GPA, 20% essay and portrait sheet, 15% teacher/principal rec, 10% electives/after-school activities, 5% other achievements.
Here's a wild idea. Just get all the information that you can about a student and then be very public about the fact that, because diversity in the classroom across multiple metrics is PROVEN to create a stronger educational environment, ACTUALLY engage in a full-scale holistic review and accept a class of students every year which is both excellent and diverse. End the horrible practice of using a rubric to obtain an imprimatur of "objectivity" and just do what EVERY SINGLE ELITE ACADEMIC INSTITUTION IN AMERICA does already and pick the kids that you want to pick.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.
This is purely for the sake of discussion (or argument for some) and none what we say will actually happen. Its good if everyone enters TJ have a higher base so school doesn't have to cater several skill levels. Having said, I would love to see
1. Geometry HN as a requirement (open up Algebra I to all in 7th)
2. Require HN for all the courses available in school.
3. Yes, min unweighted 3.75 GPA (weighted GPA will not matter as we are upping min requirements)
4. Use geographic quotas, but based on school pyramids instead of attending school, so we do not discriminate against AAP centers. Since center kids come from the whole pyramid, we still get a desired distribution.
5. Limit the geographic quotas to say 60% of total available admissions and leave the remaining 40% into an open pool.
6. Use teacher recommendations.
7. Give credit for STEM electives and after-school programs offered by the attending school. Every school offers them, though they may differ from school to school. Those who reject this, I would like to remind that TJ is a STEM school and we are looking for students who are interested in STEM and take advantage of opportunities available to them.
8. Any other recognizable achievements.
9. Yes, I support giving boost to poor kids, but qualifications need to be strictly evaluated. However, it should be like 35-40% of admissions go to poor students as its unfair to the rest. It should be more like 20%.
10. More importantly, the weightage should be adjusted appropriately and not like what it is now where creative essay writing essentially determines the admission. In 'my' opinion, we should have weightage 50% GPA, 20% essay and portrait sheet, 15% teacher/principal rec, 10% electives/after-school activities, 5% other achievements.
Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.
Even better
HN Geometry req
Use Unweighted GPA from STEM classes
Do Not use teacher recs they are unreliable and have shown to be racially biased
Add hard geographic quotas proportional to the region's population
I like this.
If there aren’t enough qualified applicants then put those spots into pool for remaining applicants.
I’m torn on Geometry though. I know great STEM kids who ended up in Alg I honors in 8th. And by requiring Geometry we’ll get parents pushing more kids to take it too soon. Bad consequence.
Maybe this will help you. If you take Algebra I in 8th the base school can generally meet all the math needs. TJ should be for the most advanced students who have a harder time getting their needs met at a base school.
Not universally true. There are various reasons why kids may end up in Alg I. I wouldn’t want to eliminate 100% of those kids.
And do we want parents to push their kids into geometry any more than they already do? As we’ve seen, they will do anything to get their kids in. We already have way more kids in Geometry than should be there.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.
Even better
HN Geometry req
Use Unweighted GPA from STEM classes
Do Not use teacher recs they are unreliable and have shown to be racially biased
Add hard geographic quotas proportional to the region's population
I like this.
If there aren’t enough qualified applicants then put those spots into pool for remaining applicants.
I’m torn on Geometry though. I know great STEM kids who ended up in Alg I honors in 8th. And by requiring Geometry we’ll get parents pushing more kids to take it too soon. Bad consequence.
Maybe this will help you. If you take Algebra I in 8th the base school can generally meet all the math needs. TJ should be for the most advanced students who have a harder time getting their needs met at a base school.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.
Even better
HN Geometry req
Use Unweighted GPA from STEM classes
Do Not use teacher recs they are unreliable and have shown to be racially biased
Add hard geographic quotas proportional to the region's population
I like this.
If there aren’t enough qualified applicants then put those spots into pool for remaining applicants.
I’m torn on Geometry though. I know great STEM kids who ended up in Alg I honors in 8th. And by requiring Geometry we’ll get parents pushing more kids to take it too soon. Bad consequence.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.
Even better
HN Geometry req
Use Unweighted GPA from STEM classes
Do Not use teacher recs they are unreliable and have shown to be racially biased
Add hard geographic quotas proportional to the region's population
Anonymous wrote:improve the qualification bar then:
minimum requirement: Geometry HN, weighted GPA 3.8+
give extra credits for national awards, state awards and regional awards
use teacher's recommendation (better let the teacher mark a recommendation score to make it easier for calculation)
remove geographic quota. let's be fair. It's all about academic merit.