Here is Meren's FB post...Honestly, this whole thing is and has always been a complete sh*t show....

Hello Community Members:
I’ve become aware that I was incorrect in the recommendation I shared in my newsletter, below, sent on December 18, regarding Fox Mill Elementary School. I apologize for my error and offer here correction and clarification.
In short: I am not recommending anything new from what has been proposed and circulated in the scenarios.
I see now that I confused advocacy regarding the Fox Mill Woods community to be the overarching advocacy regarding Fox Mill Elementary School.
I’d further like to share the input I’ve received and considered for this geographical area, from different neighborhoods in our community:
I have indeed heard residents request to keep Fox Mill Elementary School in the South Lakes pyramid, as I stated below. My goal in my communication below was to reinforce that I support Fox Mill ES remaining in the South Lakes pyramid as it currently is. If new boundaries are proposed that suggest that Fox Mill ES students go to the Western HS, I will carefully consider the recommendation and community input at that time, in the first part of 2026.
I’ve heard from the Fox Mill Woods community, which is in the Crossfield Elementary boundary. Parents here ask to keep as-is their Crossfield students already assigned to Langston Hughes MS and South Lakes HS, as per the current scenario. I believe this is where I erred in my newsletter communication, suggesting the Fox Mill Elementary School assignment into Langston. Again, I do apologize for that mistake.
I hope this helps alleviate confusion and concern. Thank you for your grace.
Wishing you a peaceful winter school break and holiday season.
Melanie.

I honestly feel like the school board is antagonizing us by proposing options that make things worse and not better.

They have the ability to balance enrollment, but they are exacerbating an already horrific situation.

I am appalled to be an FCPS mommy.

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Anonymous wrote:West Springfield parents have claimed for years that the enrollment would decline significantly the next year and it didn’t happen. It’s a classic case of crying wolf. You could even be right this time but you’ve been wrong so many times that your credibility is shot.

Fun fact, that's because the number of transfers into the school, which has been closed to transfers for years, continues to rise. Last year it was like 60 kids. And no one at Gatehouse can explain why. WSHS families have asked. But gotten nowhere on this.

Exactly this.

They did say some were for German immersion, which violates FCPS own policy on language transfers.

If a school is closed to transfers like WSHS for over a decade, then the kids requesting language transfers are supposed to attend the next closest school offering the language, with parents providing their own transportation, or take the language online.

I don't know what other high schools offer German, but zero students should be approved for transferring into WSHS for German, based on FCPS own long standing language transfer policiy.

And to the parent saying WSHS parents are "crying wolf" what they have been saying for years is that once class on 2026 graduates, WSHS enrollment will drop steadily, since class of 2026 is around 130 students larger than the replacement class of 8th graders, class of 2027 is much larger than the replacement 7th grade class, and 2028/2029 much larger than the current 5th and 6th grade classes.

Both Irving and WSHS will see drops in the next 1-4 years that will put WSHS just slightly over full capacity, with zero need for rezoning.

If WSHS sends most of the 50-60 transfer students back to their neighborhood high schools, and starts to enforce the closed to transfers rule as written by FCPS, then WSHS would not need any rezoning as there are more transfers into WSHS than Sangster kids who are part of the neighborhood, getting kicked out by FCPS.

They could get it slightly wrong and WSHS would still have a huge enrollment. This school is regularly given preferential treatment and treated with kid gloves.

Oh please. It's a middle class school. We aren't talking about Langley or McLean here.

Renovation of WSHS was moved up in the queue as part of the brokered deal to close Clifton ES.

Renovation and expansion was bigger than other schools built in the mid-60s (Facilities head at the time was a WSHS graduate). If WA had only been expanded to the size of an Edison or Marshall kids would already have been moved out of WSHS.

There’s never been a proposal to move WSHS kids to adjacent Lewis, despite the obvious imbalance in enrollments.

It’s more favorable treatment than Langley gets and far more favorable treatment than McLean gets.

That's absolutely untrue. Kids have moved from WSHS to Lewis (or then Lee HS) over the years. Despite what the school board says, there have been boundary changes throughout the last 40 years. And maybe WSHS moved up in the queue, but the school's condition had deteriorated to the point where you could see the first floor from the second floor in some of the classrooms. There are plenty of complaints that can be made about how they manage the renovation list.

You’re not really denying the favorable treatment that West Springfield has received from FCPS, only rationalizing it.

And do let us know the last time anyone was moved from West Springfield to Lee/Lewis. We’ll wait.

The CIP proposes capacity enhancements to Langley,
Herndon, Oakton and West Springfield High Schools as
part of their renovations and additions at Westbriar
Elementary and South Lakes High Schools to expand
the schools’ capacities.

So 5 high schools were approved in the same CIP, but one of them got special treatment? That isn’t what special treatment means.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/9RS2U3647CAD/$file/Proposed%20CIP%202016-20_Final_Web.pdf

This doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. WS got a larger expansion than Langley even though it sits next to an under-enrolled school and Langley sits next to an overcrowded one. And it's renovation was accelerated in exchange for closing Clifton ES permanently.

Anyway, still waiting for that data on the last time anyone from West Springfield got moved to Lee/Lewis.

Southern part of Hunt Valley ES was rezoned from WSHS to Lee in the mid-1980s creating a split feeder at Irving. Area was moved back to WSHS after South County HS opened.

Ancient history at this point, compared to the years of neglect of Lee/Lewis that followed.

Yes, ancient history, so the rezone WSHS posters need to stop using the small amount of time HV was zoned for Lewis 30-40 years ago as a slight to Lewis.

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Anonymous wrote:West Springfield parents have claimed for years that the enrollment would decline significantly the next year and it didn’t happen. It’s a classic case of crying wolf. You could even be right this time but you’ve been wrong so many times that your credibility is shot.

Fun fact, that's because the number of transfers into the school, which has been closed to transfers for years, continues to rise. Last year it was like 60 kids. And no one at Gatehouse can explain why. WSHS families have asked. But gotten nowhere on this.

Exactly this.

They did say some were for German immersion, which violates FCPS own policy on language transfers.

If a school is closed to transfers like WSHS for over a decade, then the kids requesting language transfers are supposed to attend the next closest school offering the language, with parents providing their own transportation, or take the language online.

I don't know what other high schools offer German, but zero students should be approved for transferring into WSHS for German, based on FCPS own long standing language transfer policiy.

And to the parent saying WSHS parents are "crying wolf" what they have been saying for years is that once class on 2026 graduates, WSHS enrollment will drop steadily, since class of 2026 is around 130 students larger than the replacement class of 8th graders, class of 2027 is much larger than the replacement 7th grade class, and 2028/2029 much larger than the current 5th and 6th grade classes.

Both Irving and WSHS will see drops in the next 1-4 years that will put WSHS just slightly over full capacity, with zero need for rezoning.

If WSHS sends most of the 50-60 transfer students back to their neighborhood high schools, and starts to enforce the closed to transfers rule as written by FCPS, then WSHS would not need any rezoning as there are more transfers into WSHS than Sangster kids who are part of the neighborhood, getting kicked out by FCPS.

They could get it slightly wrong and WSHS would still have a huge enrollment. This school is regularly given preferential treatment and treated with kid gloves.

Oh please. It's a middle class school. We aren't talking about Langley or McLean here.

Renovation of WSHS was moved up in the queue as part of the brokered deal to close Clifton ES.

Renovation and expansion was bigger than other schools built in the mid-60s (Facilities head at the time was a WSHS graduate). If WA had only been expanded to the size of an Edison or Marshall kids would already have been moved out of WSHS.

There’s never been a proposal to move WSHS kids to adjacent Lewis, despite the obvious imbalance in enrollments.

It’s more favorable treatment than Langley gets and far more favorable treatment than McLean gets.

That's absolutely untrue. Kids have moved from WSHS to Lewis (or then Lee HS) over the years. Despite what the school board says, there have been boundary changes throughout the last 40 years. And maybe WSHS moved up in the queue, but the school's condition had deteriorated to the point where you could see the first floor from the second floor in some of the classrooms. There are plenty of complaints that can be made about how they manage the renovation list.

You’re not really denying the favorable treatment that West Springfield has received from FCPS, only rationalizing it.

And do let us know the last time anyone was moved from West Springfield to Lee/Lewis. We’ll wait.

The CIP proposes capacity enhancements to Langley,
Herndon, Oakton and West Springfield High Schools as
part of their renovations and additions at Westbriar
Elementary and South Lakes High Schools to expand
the schools’ capacities.

So 5 high schools were approved in the same CIP, but one of them got special treatment? That isn’t what special treatment means.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/9RS2U3647CAD/$file/Proposed%20CIP%202016-20_Final_Web.pdf

This doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. WS got a larger expansion than Langley even though it sits next to an under-enrolled school and Langley sits next to an overcrowded one. And it's renovation was accelerated in exchange for closing Clifton ES permanently.

Anyway, still waiting for that data on the last time anyone from West Springfield got moved to Lee/Lewis.

Sure it does.

Lee High School has lost enrollment slowly over a period of time. WSHS renovations were approved in 2009. When we looked for a house in the area 2008, Lee was not under enrolled.

Of course WHSH got a larger expansion, it was a bigger school. Langley is only 2000 kids.

Lee had under 1800 kids at the time. Under-enrolled then and even more under-enrolled now.

In any event, leaving WS with over 2800 kids and Lewis with only slightly over 1500 now underscores what a farce this current boundary review has been.

Lewis would have around 1800 students if FCPS ditched IB and made it an AP school, and put AAP at Key, so Lewis wasn't losing 300 students per year for pupil placement.

For the size of the Lewis building,1800 students wouldbe a fairly full school.

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Anonymous wrote:West Springfield parents have claimed for years that the enrollment would decline significantly the next year and it didn’t happen. It’s a classic case of crying wolf. You could even be right this time but you’ve been wrong so many times that your credibility is shot.

Fun fact, that's because the number of transfers into the school, which has been closed to transfers for years, continues to rise. Last year it was like 60 kids. And no one at Gatehouse can explain why. WSHS families have asked. But gotten nowhere on this.

Exactly this.

They did say some were for German immersion, which violates FCPS own policy on language transfers.

If a school is closed to transfers like WSHS for over a decade, then the kids requesting language transfers are supposed to attend the next closest school offering the language, with parents providing their own transportation, or take the language online.

I don't know what other high schools offer German, but zero students should be approved for transferring into WSHS for German, based on FCPS own long standing language transfer policiy.

And to the parent saying WSHS parents are "crying wolf" what they have been saying for years is that once class on 2026 graduates, WSHS enrollment will drop steadily, since class of 2026 is around 130 students larger than the replacement class of 8th graders, class of 2027 is much larger than the replacement 7th grade class, and 2028/2029 much larger than the current 5th and 6th grade classes.

Both Irving and WSHS will see drops in the next 1-4 years that will put WSHS just slightly over full capacity, with zero need for rezoning.

If WSHS sends most of the 50-60 transfer students back to their neighborhood high schools, and starts to enforce the closed to transfers rule as written by FCPS, then WSHS would not need any rezoning as there are more transfers into WSHS than Sangster kids who are part of the neighborhood, getting kicked out by FCPS.

They could get it slightly wrong and WSHS would still have a huge enrollment. This school is regularly given preferential treatment and treated with kid gloves.

Oh please. It's a middle class school. We aren't talking about Langley or McLean here.

Renovation of WSHS was moved up in the queue as part of the brokered deal to close Clifton ES.

Renovation and expansion was bigger than other schools built in the mid-60s (Facilities head at the time was a WSHS graduate). If WA had only been expanded to the size of an Edison or Marshall kids would already have been moved out of WSHS.

There’s never been a proposal to move WSHS kids to adjacent Lewis, despite the obvious imbalance in enrollments.

It’s more favorable treatment than Langley gets and far more favorable treatment than McLean gets.

That's absolutely untrue. Kids have moved from WSHS to Lewis (or then Lee HS) over the years. Despite what the school board says, there have been boundary changes throughout the last 40 years. And maybe WSHS moved up in the queue, but the school's condition had deteriorated to the point where you could see the first floor from the second floor in some of the classrooms. There are plenty of complaints that can be made about how they manage the renovation list.

You’re not really denying the favorable treatment that West Springfield has received from FCPS, only rationalizing it.

And do let us know the last time anyone was moved from West Springfield to Lee/Lewis. We’ll wait.

The CIP proposes capacity enhancements to Langley,
Herndon, Oakton and West Springfield High Schools as
part of their renovations and additions at Westbriar
Elementary and South Lakes High Schools to expand
the schools’ capacities.

So 5 high schools were approved in the same CIP, but one of them got special treatment? That isn’t what special treatment means.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/9RS2U3647CAD/$file/Proposed%20CIP%202016-20_Final_Web.pdf

This doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. WS got a larger expansion than Langley even though it sits next to an under-enrolled school and Langley sits next to an overcrowded one. And it's renovation was accelerated in exchange for closing Clifton ES permanently.

Anyway, still waiting for that data on the last time anyone from West Springfield got moved to Lee/Lewis.

Southern part of Hunt Valley ES was rezoned from WSHS to Lee in the mid-1980s creating a split feeder at Irving. Area was moved back to WSHS after South County HS opened.

Ancient history at this point, compared to the years of neglect of Lee/Lewis that followed.

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Anonymous wrote:West Springfield parents have claimed for years that the enrollment would decline significantly the next year and it didn’t happen. It’s a classic case of crying wolf. You could even be right this time but you’ve been wrong so many times that your credibility is shot.

Fun fact, that's because the number of transfers into the school, which has been closed to transfers for years, continues to rise. Last year it was like 60 kids. And no one at Gatehouse can explain why. WSHS families have asked. But gotten nowhere on this.

Exactly this.

They did say some were for German immersion, which violates FCPS own policy on language transfers.

If a school is closed to transfers like WSHS for over a decade, then the kids requesting language transfers are supposed to attend the next closest school offering the language, with parents providing their own transportation, or take the language online.

I don't know what other high schools offer German, but zero students should be approved for transferring into WSHS for German, based on FCPS own long standing language transfer policiy.

And to the parent saying WSHS parents are "crying wolf" what they have been saying for years is that once class on 2026 graduates, WSHS enrollment will drop steadily, since class of 2026 is around 130 students larger than the replacement class of 8th graders, class of 2027 is much larger than the replacement 7th grade class, and 2028/2029 much larger than the current 5th and 6th grade classes.

Both Irving and WSHS will see drops in the next 1-4 years that will put WSHS just slightly over full capacity, with zero need for rezoning.

If WSHS sends most of the 50-60 transfer students back to their neighborhood high schools, and starts to enforce the closed to transfers rule as written by FCPS, then WSHS would not need any rezoning as there are more transfers into WSHS than Sangster kids who are part of the neighborhood, getting kicked out by FCPS.

They could get it slightly wrong and WSHS would still have a huge enrollment. This school is regularly given preferential treatment and treated with kid gloves.

Oh please. It's a middle class school. We aren't talking about Langley or McLean here.

Renovation of WSHS was moved up in the queue as part of the brokered deal to close Clifton ES.

Renovation and expansion was bigger than other schools built in the mid-60s (Facilities head at the time was a WSHS graduate). If WA had only been expanded to the size of an Edison or Marshall kids would already have been moved out of WSHS.

There’s never been a proposal to move WSHS kids to adjacent Lewis, despite the obvious imbalance in enrollments.

It’s more favorable treatment than Langley gets and far more favorable treatment than McLean gets.

That's absolutely untrue. Kids have moved from WSHS to Lewis (or then Lee HS) over the years. Despite what the school board says, there have been boundary changes throughout the last 40 years. And maybe WSHS moved up in the queue, but the school's condition had deteriorated to the point where you could see the first floor from the second floor in some of the classrooms. There are plenty of complaints that can be made about how they manage the renovation list.

You’re not really denying the favorable treatment that West Springfield has received from FCPS, only rationalizing it.

And do let us know the last time anyone was moved from West Springfield to Lee/Lewis. We’ll wait.

The CIP proposes capacity enhancements to Langley,
Herndon, Oakton and West Springfield High Schools as
part of their renovations and additions at Westbriar
Elementary and South Lakes High Schools to expand
the schools’ capacities.

So 5 high schools were approved in the same CIP, but one of them got special treatment? That isn’t what special treatment means.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/9RS2U3647CAD/$file/Proposed%20CIP%202016-20_Final_Web.pdf

This doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. WS got a larger expansion than Langley even though it sits next to an under-enrolled school and Langley sits next to an overcrowded one. And it's renovation was accelerated in exchange for closing Clifton ES permanently.

Anyway, still waiting for that data on the last time anyone from West Springfield got moved to Lee/Lewis.

Sure it does.

Lee High School has lost enrollment slowly over a period of time. WSHS renovations were approved in 2009. When we looked for a house in the area 2008, Lee was not under enrolled.

Of course WHSH got a larger expansion, it was a bigger school. Langley is only 2000 kids.

WSHS also has much, much tighter boundaries than Langley.

Most of the zoned houses are 2.5 miles from WSHS on local roads, with a good third easily walkable to the high school and almost the entire school zone a 10 minute drive away at a speed of less than 35mph with zero highway driving or major road driving to get to WSHS.

Anonymous wrote:Meren just walked back her remarks in a Facebook post.

What a little turd.

Meren just walked back her remarks in a Facebook post.

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Anonymous wrote:West Springfield parents have claimed for years that the enrollment would decline significantly the next year and it didn’t happen. It’s a classic case of crying wolf. You could even be right this time but you’ve been wrong so many times that your credibility is shot.

Fun fact, that's because the number of transfers into the school, which has been closed to transfers for years, continues to rise. Last year it was like 60 kids. And no one at Gatehouse can explain why. WSHS families have asked. But gotten nowhere on this.

Exactly this.

They did say some were for German immersion, which violates FCPS own policy on language transfers.

If a school is closed to transfers like WSHS for over a decade, then the kids requesting language transfers are supposed to attend the next closest school offering the language, with parents providing their own transportation, or take the language online.

I don't know what other high schools offer German, but zero students should be approved for transferring into WSHS for German, based on FCPS own long standing language transfer policiy.

And to the parent saying WSHS parents are "crying wolf" what they have been saying for years is that once class on 2026 graduates, WSHS enrollment will drop steadily, since class of 2026 is around 130 students larger than the replacement class of 8th graders, class of 2027 is much larger than the replacement 7th grade class, and 2028/2029 much larger than the current 5th and 6th grade classes.

Both Irving and WSHS will see drops in the next 1-4 years that will put WSHS just slightly over full capacity, with zero need for rezoning.

If WSHS sends most of the 50-60 transfer students back to their neighborhood high schools, and starts to enforce the closed to transfers rule as written by FCPS, then WSHS would not need any rezoning as there are more transfers into WSHS than Sangster kids who are part of the neighborhood, getting kicked out by FCPS.

They could get it slightly wrong and WSHS would still have a huge enrollment. This school is regularly given preferential treatment and treated with kid gloves.

Oh please. It's a middle class school. We aren't talking about Langley or McLean here.

Renovation of WSHS was moved up in the queue as part of the brokered deal to close Clifton ES.

Renovation and expansion was bigger than other schools built in the mid-60s (Facilities head at the time was a WSHS graduate). If WA had only been expanded to the size of an Edison or Marshall kids would already have been moved out of WSHS.

There’s never been a proposal to move WSHS kids to adjacent Lewis, despite the obvious imbalance in enrollments.

It’s more favorable treatment than Langley gets and far more favorable treatment than McLean gets.

That's absolutely untrue. Kids have moved from WSHS to Lewis (or then Lee HS) over the years. Despite what the school board says, there have been boundary changes throughout the last 40 years. And maybe WSHS moved up in the queue, but the school's condition had deteriorated to the point where you could see the first floor from the second floor in some of the classrooms. There are plenty of complaints that can be made about how they manage the renovation list.

You’re not really denying the favorable treatment that West Springfield has received from FCPS, only rationalizing it.

And do let us know the last time anyone was moved from West Springfield to Lee/Lewis. We’ll wait.

The CIP proposes capacity enhancements to Langley,
Herndon, Oakton and West Springfield High Schools as
part of their renovations and additions at Westbriar
Elementary and South Lakes High Schools to expand
the schools’ capacities.

So 5 high schools were approved in the same CIP, but one of them got special treatment? That isn’t what special treatment means.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/9RS2U3647CAD/$file/Proposed%20CIP%202016-20_Final_Web.pdf

This is so outdated sweetheart.

They were already done.

Not well enough though.

Babe, read the thread, the PP was upset about the WSHS renovation that was approved in 2009.

Now I understand that lemon drop.

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Anonymous wrote:West Springfield parents have claimed for years that the enrollment would decline significantly the next year and it didn’t happen. It’s a classic case of crying wolf. You could even be right this time but you’ve been wrong so many times that your credibility is shot.

Fun fact, that's because the number of transfers into the school, which has been closed to transfers for years, continues to rise. Last year it was like 60 kids. And no one at Gatehouse can explain why. WSHS families have asked. But gotten nowhere on this.

Exactly this.

They did say some were for German immersion, which violates FCPS own policy on language transfers.

If a school is closed to transfers like WSHS for over a decade, then the kids requesting language transfers are supposed to attend the next closest school offering the language, with parents providing their own transportation, or take the language online.

I don't know what other high schools offer German, but zero students should be approved for transferring into WSHS for German, based on FCPS own long standing language transfer policiy.

And to the parent saying WSHS parents are "crying wolf" what they have been saying for years is that once class on 2026 graduates, WSHS enrollment will drop steadily, since class of 2026 is around 130 students larger than the replacement class of 8th graders, class of 2027 is much larger than the replacement 7th grade class, and 2028/2029 much larger than the current 5th and 6th grade classes.

Both Irving and WSHS will see drops in the next 1-4 years that will put WSHS just slightly over full capacity, with zero need for rezoning.

If WSHS sends most of the 50-60 transfer students back to their neighborhood high schools, and starts to enforce the closed to transfers rule as written by FCPS, then WSHS would not need any rezoning as there are more transfers into WSHS than Sangster kids who are part of the neighborhood, getting kicked out by FCPS.

They could get it slightly wrong and WSHS would still have a huge enrollment. This school is regularly given preferential treatment and treated with kid gloves.

Oh please. It's a middle class school. We aren't talking about Langley or McLean here.

Renovation of WSHS was moved up in the queue as part of the brokered deal to close Clifton ES.

Renovation and expansion was bigger than other schools built in the mid-60s (Facilities head at the time was a WSHS graduate). If WA had only been expanded to the size of an Edison or Marshall kids would already have been moved out of WSHS.

There’s never been a proposal to move WSHS kids to adjacent Lewis, despite the obvious imbalance in enrollments.

It’s more favorable treatment than Langley gets and far more favorable treatment than McLean gets.

That's absolutely untrue. Kids have moved from WSHS to Lewis (or then Lee HS) over the years. Despite what the school board says, there have been boundary changes throughout the last 40 years. And maybe WSHS moved up in the queue, but the school's condition had deteriorated to the point where you could see the first floor from the second floor in some of the classrooms. There are plenty of complaints that can be made about how they manage the renovation list.

You’re not really denying the favorable treatment that West Springfield has received from FCPS, only rationalizing it.

And do let us know the last time anyone was moved from West Springfield to Lee/Lewis. We’ll wait.

The CIP proposes capacity enhancements to Langley,
Herndon, Oakton and West Springfield High Schools as
part of their renovations and additions at Westbriar
Elementary and South Lakes High Schools to expand
the schools’ capacities.

So 5 high schools were approved in the same CIP, but one of them got special treatment? That isn’t what special treatment means.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/9RS2U3647CAD/$file/Proposed%20CIP%202016-20_Final_Web.pdf

This doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. WS got a larger expansion than Langley even though it sits next to an under-enrolled school and Langley sits next to an overcrowded one. And it's renovation was accelerated in exchange for closing Clifton ES permanently.

Anyway, still waiting for that data on the last time anyone from West Springfield got moved to Lee/Lewis.

Southern part of Hunt Valley ES was rezoned from WSHS to Lee in the mid-1980s creating a split feeder at Irving. Area was moved back to WSHS after South County HS opened.

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Anonymous wrote:West Springfield parents have claimed for years that the enrollment would decline significantly the next year and it didn’t happen. It’s a classic case of crying wolf. You could even be right this time but you’ve been wrong so many times that your credibility is shot.

Fun fact, that's because the number of transfers into the school, which has been closed to transfers for years, continues to rise. Last year it was like 60 kids. And no one at Gatehouse can explain why. WSHS families have asked. But gotten nowhere on this.

Exactly this.

They did say some were for German immersion, which violates FCPS own policy on language transfers.

If a school is closed to transfers like WSHS for over a decade, then the kids requesting language transfers are supposed to attend the next closest school offering the language, with parents providing their own transportation, or take the language online.

I don't know what other high schools offer German, but zero students should be approved for transferring into WSHS for German, based on FCPS own long standing language transfer policiy.

And to the parent saying WSHS parents are "crying wolf" what they have been saying for years is that once class on 2026 graduates, WSHS enrollment will drop steadily, since class of 2026 is around 130 students larger than the replacement class of 8th graders, class of 2027 is much larger than the replacement 7th grade class, and 2028/2029 much larger than the current 5th and 6th grade classes.

Both Irving and WSHS will see drops in the next 1-4 years that will put WSHS just slightly over full capacity, with zero need for rezoning.

If WSHS sends most of the 50-60 transfer students back to their neighborhood high schools, and starts to enforce the closed to transfers rule as written by FCPS, then WSHS would not need any rezoning as there are more transfers into WSHS than Sangster kids who are part of the neighborhood, getting kicked out by FCPS.

They could get it slightly wrong and WSHS would still have a huge enrollment. This school is regularly given preferential treatment and treated with kid gloves.

Oh please. It's a middle class school. We aren't talking about Langley or McLean here.

Renovation of WSHS was moved up in the queue as part of the brokered deal to close Clifton ES.

Renovation and expansion was bigger than other schools built in the mid-60s (Facilities head at the time was a WSHS graduate). If WA had only been expanded to the size of an Edison or Marshall kids would already have been moved out of WSHS.

There’s never been a proposal to move WSHS kids to adjacent Lewis, despite the obvious imbalance in enrollments.

It’s more favorable treatment than Langley gets and far more favorable treatment than McLean gets.

That's absolutely untrue. Kids have moved from WSHS to Lewis (or then Lee HS) over the years. Despite what the school board says, there have been boundary changes throughout the last 40 years. And maybe WSHS moved up in the queue, but the school's condition had deteriorated to the point where you could see the first floor from the second floor in some of the classrooms. There are plenty of complaints that can be made about how they manage the renovation list.

You’re not really denying the favorable treatment that West Springfield has received from FCPS, only rationalizing it.

And do let us know the last time anyone was moved from West Springfield to Lee/Lewis. We’ll wait.

The CIP proposes capacity enhancements to Langley,
Herndon, Oakton and West Springfield High Schools as
part of their renovations and additions at Westbriar
Elementary and South Lakes High Schools to expand
the schools’ capacities.

So 5 high schools were approved in the same CIP, but one of them got special treatment? That isn’t what special treatment means.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/9RS2U3647CAD/$file/Proposed%20CIP%202016-20_Final_Web.pdf

This doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. WS got a larger expansion than Langley even though it sits next to an under-enrolled school and Langley sits next to an overcrowded one. And it's renovation was accelerated in exchange for closing Clifton ES permanently.

Anyway, still waiting for that data on the last time anyone from West Springfield got moved to Lee/Lewis.

Sure it does.

Lee High School has lost enrollment slowly over a period of time. WSHS renovations were approved in 2009. When we looked for a house in the area 2008, Lee was not under enrolled.

Of course WHSH got a larger expansion, it was a bigger school. Langley is only 2000 kids.

Lee had under 1800 kids at the time. Under-enrolled then and even more under-enrolled now.

In any event, leaving WS with over 2800 kids and Lewis with only slightly over 1500 now underscores what a farce this current boundary review has been.

And please show where you found the 1800 kids stat.
I thought they said they were going to stop transfers out of Lewis and transfers into WSHS?

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Anonymous wrote:West Springfield parents have claimed for years that the enrollment would decline significantly the next year and it didn’t happen. It’s a classic case of crying wolf. You could even be right this time but you’ve been wrong so many times that your credibility is shot.

Fun fact, that's because the number of transfers into the school, which has been closed to transfers for years, continues to rise. Last year it was like 60 kids. And no one at Gatehouse can explain why. WSHS families have asked. But gotten nowhere on this.

Exactly this.

They did say some were for German immersion, which violates FCPS own policy on language transfers.

If a school is closed to transfers like WSHS for over a decade, then the kids requesting language transfers are supposed to attend the next closest school offering the language, with parents providing their own transportation, or take the language online.

I don't know what other high schools offer German, but zero students should be approved for transferring into WSHS for German, based on FCPS own long standing language transfer policiy.

And to the parent saying WSHS parents are "crying wolf" what they have been saying for years is that once class on 2026 graduates, WSHS enrollment will drop steadily, since class of 2026 is around 130 students larger than the replacement class of 8th graders, class of 2027 is much larger than the replacement 7th grade class, and 2028/2029 much larger than the current 5th and 6th grade classes.

Both Irving and WSHS will see drops in the next 1-4 years that will put WSHS just slightly over full capacity, with zero need for rezoning.

If WSHS sends most of the 50-60 transfer students back to their neighborhood high schools, and starts to enforce the closed to transfers rule as written by FCPS, then WSHS would not need any rezoning as there are more transfers into WSHS than Sangster kids who are part of the neighborhood, getting kicked out by FCPS.

They could get it slightly wrong and WSHS would still have a huge enrollment. This school is regularly given preferential treatment and treated with kid gloves.

Oh please. It's a middle class school. We aren't talking about Langley or McLean here.

Renovation of WSHS was moved up in the queue as part of the brokered deal to close Clifton ES.

Renovation and expansion was bigger than other schools built in the mid-60s (Facilities head at the time was a WSHS graduate). If WA had only been expanded to the size of an Edison or Marshall kids would already have been moved out of WSHS.

There’s never been a proposal to move WSHS kids to adjacent Lewis, despite the obvious imbalance in enrollments.

It’s more favorable treatment than Langley gets and far more favorable treatment than McLean gets.

That's absolutely untrue. Kids have moved from WSHS to Lewis (or then Lee HS) over the years. Despite what the school board says, there have been boundary changes throughout the last 40 years. And maybe WSHS moved up in the queue, but the school's condition had deteriorated to the point where you could see the first floor from the second floor in some of the classrooms. There are plenty of complaints that can be made about how they manage the renovation list.

You’re not really denying the favorable treatment that West Springfield has received from FCPS, only rationalizing it.

And do let us know the last time anyone was moved from West Springfield to Lee/Lewis. We’ll wait.

The CIP proposes capacity enhancements to Langley,
Herndon, Oakton and West Springfield High Schools as
part of their renovations and additions at Westbriar
Elementary and South Lakes High Schools to expand
the schools’ capacities.

So 5 high schools were approved in the same CIP, but one of them got special treatment? That isn’t what special treatment means.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/9RS2U3647CAD/$file/Proposed%20CIP%202016-20_Final_Web.pdf

This doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. WS got a larger expansion than Langley even though it sits next to an under-enrolled school and Langley sits next to an overcrowded one. And it's renovation was accelerated in exchange for closing Clifton ES permanently.

Anyway, still waiting for that data on the last time anyone from West Springfield got moved to Lee/Lewis.

Sure it does.

Lee High School has lost enrollment slowly over a period of time. WSHS renovations were approved in 2009. When we looked for a house in the area 2008, Lee was not under enrolled.

Of course WHSH got a larger expansion, it was a bigger school. Langley is only 2000 kids.

Lee had under 1800 kids at the time. Under-enrolled then and even more under-enrolled now.

In any event, leaving WS with over 2800 kids and Lewis with only slightly over 1500 now underscores what a farce this current boundary review has been.

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Anonymous wrote:West Springfield parents have claimed for years that the enrollment would decline significantly the next year and it didn’t happen. It’s a classic case of crying wolf. You could even be right this time but you’ve been wrong so many times that your credibility is shot.

Fun fact, that's because the number of transfers into the school, which has been closed to transfers for years, continues to rise. Last year it was like 60 kids. And no one at Gatehouse can explain why. WSHS families have asked. But gotten nowhere on this.

Exactly this.

They did say some were for German immersion, which violates FCPS own policy on language transfers.

If a school is closed to transfers like WSHS for over a decade, then the kids requesting language transfers are supposed to attend the next closest school offering the language, with parents providing their own transportation, or take the language online.

I don't know what other high schools offer German, but zero students should be approved for transferring into WSHS for German, based on FCPS own long standing language transfer policiy.

And to the parent saying WSHS parents are "crying wolf" what they have been saying for years is that once class on 2026 graduates, WSHS enrollment will drop steadily, since class of 2026 is around 130 students larger than the replacement class of 8th graders, class of 2027 is much larger than the replacement 7th grade class, and 2028/2029 much larger than the current 5th and 6th grade classes.

Both Irving and WSHS will see drops in the next 1-4 years that will put WSHS just slightly over full capacity, with zero need for rezoning.

If WSHS sends most of the 50-60 transfer students back to their neighborhood high schools, and starts to enforce the closed to transfers rule as written by FCPS, then WSHS would not need any rezoning as there are more transfers into WSHS than Sangster kids who are part of the neighborhood, getting kicked out by FCPS.

They could get it slightly wrong and WSHS would still have a huge enrollment. This school is regularly given preferential treatment and treated with kid gloves.

Oh please. It's a middle class school. We aren't talking about Langley or McLean here.

Renovation of WSHS was moved up in the queue as part of the brokered deal to close Clifton ES.

Renovation and expansion was bigger than other schools built in the mid-60s (Facilities head at the time was a WSHS graduate). If WA had only been expanded to the size of an Edison or Marshall kids would already have been moved out of WSHS.

There’s never been a proposal to move WSHS kids to adjacent Lewis, despite the obvious imbalance in enrollments.

It’s more favorable treatment than Langley gets and far more favorable treatment than McLean gets.

That's absolutely untrue. Kids have moved from WSHS to Lewis (or then Lee HS) over the years. Despite what the school board says, there have been boundary changes throughout the last 40 years. And maybe WSHS moved up in the queue, but the school's condition had deteriorated to the point where you could see the first floor from the second floor in some of the classrooms. There are plenty of complaints that can be made about how they manage the renovation list.

You’re not really denying the favorable treatment that West Springfield has received from FCPS, only rationalizing it.

And do let us know the last time anyone was moved from West Springfield to Lee/Lewis. We’ll wait.

The CIP proposes capacity enhancements to Langley,
Herndon, Oakton and West Springfield High Schools as
part of their renovations and additions at Westbriar
Elementary and South Lakes High Schools to expand
the schools’ capacities.

So 5 high schools were approved in the same CIP, but one of them got special treatment? That isn’t what special treatment means.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/9RS2U3647CAD/$file/Proposed%20CIP%202016-20_Final_Web.pdf

This is so outdated sweetheart.

They were already done.

Not well enough though.

Babe, read the thread, the PP was upset about the WSHS renovation that was approved in 2009.

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Anonymous wrote:West Springfield parents have claimed for years that the enrollment would decline significantly the next year and it didn’t happen. It’s a classic case of crying wolf. You could even be right this time but you’ve been wrong so many times that your credibility is shot.

Fun fact, that's because the number of transfers into the school, which has been closed to transfers for years, continues to rise. Last year it was like 60 kids. And no one at Gatehouse can explain why. WSHS families have asked. But gotten nowhere on this.

Exactly this.

They did say some were for German immersion, which violates FCPS own policy on language transfers.

If a school is closed to transfers like WSHS for over a decade, then the kids requesting language transfers are supposed to attend the next closest school offering the language, with parents providing their own transportation, or take the language online.

I don't know what other high schools offer German, but zero students should be approved for transferring into WSHS for German, based on FCPS own long standing language transfer policiy.

And to the parent saying WSHS parents are "crying wolf" what they have been saying for years is that once class on 2026 graduates, WSHS enrollment will drop steadily, since class of 2026 is around 130 students larger than the replacement class of 8th graders, class of 2027 is much larger than the replacement 7th grade class, and 2028/2029 much larger than the current 5th and 6th grade classes.

Both Irving and WSHS will see drops in the next 1-4 years that will put WSHS just slightly over full capacity, with zero need for rezoning.

If WSHS sends most of the 50-60 transfer students back to their neighborhood high schools, and starts to enforce the closed to transfers rule as written by FCPS, then WSHS would not need any rezoning as there are more transfers into WSHS than Sangster kids who are part of the neighborhood, getting kicked out by FCPS.

They could get it slightly wrong and WSHS would still have a huge enrollment. This school is regularly given preferential treatment and treated with kid gloves.

Oh please. It's a middle class school. We aren't talking about Langley or McLean here.

Renovation of WSHS was moved up in the queue as part of the brokered deal to close Clifton ES.

Renovation and expansion was bigger than other schools built in the mid-60s (Facilities head at the time was a WSHS graduate). If WA had only been expanded to the size of an Edison or Marshall kids would already have been moved out of WSHS.

There’s never been a proposal to move WSHS kids to adjacent Lewis, despite the obvious imbalance in enrollments.

It’s more favorable treatment than Langley gets and far more favorable treatment than McLean gets.

That's absolutely untrue. Kids have moved from WSHS to Lewis (or then Lee HS) over the years. Despite what the school board says, there have been boundary changes throughout the last 40 years. And maybe WSHS moved up in the queue, but the school's condition had deteriorated to the point where you could see the first floor from the second floor in some of the classrooms. There are plenty of complaints that can be made about how they manage the renovation list.

You’re not really denying the favorable treatment that West Springfield has received from FCPS, only rationalizing it.

And do let us know the last time anyone was moved from West Springfield to Lee/Lewis. We’ll wait.

The CIP proposes capacity enhancements to Langley,
Herndon, Oakton and West Springfield High Schools as
part of their renovations and additions at Westbriar
Elementary and South Lakes High Schools to expand
the schools’ capacities.

So 5 high schools were approved in the same CIP, but one of them got special treatment? That isn’t what special treatment means.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/9RS2U3647CAD/$file/Proposed%20CIP%202016-20_Final_Web.pdf

This doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. WS got a larger expansion than Langley even though it sits next to an under-enrolled school and Langley sits next to an overcrowded one. And it's renovation was accelerated in exchange for closing Clifton ES permanently.

Anyway, still waiting for that data on the last time anyone from West Springfield got moved to Lee/Lewis.

Sure it does.

Lee High School has lost enrollment slowly over a period of time. WSHS renovations were approved in 2009. When we looked for a house in the area 2008, Lee was not under enrolled.

Of course WHSH got a larger expansion, it was a bigger school. Langley is only 2000 kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Meren’s end of the year email said that she was recommending moving FMES to Hughes and staying at SLHS. Never mind that moving anyone to Hughes wasn’t in any of the plans.

I suspect that the school board's final map is going to be very different than the maps the parents have been commenting on from BRAC.

We have no idea what the map looks like now. They never updated it after Version 4 even though they showed a new version to parents at that Lewis meeting. Reid refuses to release any new maps until she gives her version to the school board. It's anyone's guess what's been proposed now.

When does she present her version to the board? Early January?

She delivers it Jan. 8. Two days later, Jan. 10, there will be the final opportunity for families and students to weigh in at a school board meeting on this. It's not much time for the community to really digest the changes on the next map. Board votes to approve a week later.

They really screwed this up completely. It took far too long yet will still be way too rushed at the end.

There needs to be a complete revamp of the School Board and senior leadership in FCPS. These people should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

People have the memory of goldfish and vote like sheep down the D ballot.