Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Read up on history, particularly the Bosphorous straights.
Still doesn’t solve the Tartaristan dilemma. And while we are at it what about historically Polish lands now occupied by Ukraine. Don’t forget it was just a hundred years ago that Poland defeated ukraine in a war but then lost those lands illegally to the USSR as those Soviet states carved up eastern Poland.
Given that Poland and Ukraine are allies (and Poland is providing military supplies to Ukraine), I think you're barking up the wrong tree.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Read up on history, particularly the Bosphorous straights.
Still doesn’t solve the Tartaristan dilemma. And while we are at it what about historically Polish lands now occupied by Ukraine. Don’t forget it was just a hundred years ago that Poland defeated ukraine in a war but then lost those lands illegally to the USSR as those Soviet states carved up eastern Poland.
Given that Poland and Ukraine are allies (and Poland is providing military supplies to Ukraine), I think you're barking up the wrong tree.
LOL. The military support Poland is providing Ukraine is all decommissioned stuff. No way do the Poles cede their position as the dominant Eastern European power.
Anonymous wrote:Zelensky and his oligarchs are playing a dangerous game. When the war is over Ukraine will have a second, more targeted blood letting against internal enemies.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Read up on history, particularly the Bosphorous straights.
Still doesn’t solve the Tartaristan dilemma. And while we are at it what about historically Polish lands now occupied by Ukraine. Don’t forget it was just a hundred years ago that Poland defeated ukraine in a war but then lost those lands illegally to the USSR as those Soviet states carved up eastern Poland.
Given that Poland and Ukraine are allies (and Poland is providing military supplies to Ukraine), I think you're barking up the wrong tree.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lol did he feel this way when Turkey occupied their native Crimea? Crimean Tatars are basically Turks. Why wasn’t it Ukraine colonizing them? It’s not like they were governing themselves.
Since real American's won't know what the troll is saying, let me narrate Moscow's storyline for you.
Moscow's position is that Crimea is "predominantly Russian." Here's the backstory:
"In 1783, the peninsula was annexed by the Russian Empire"
"Most Crimean Tatars (about 300 000 people) left their homeland and settled within the borders of the Ottoman Empire. The Russian government introduced benefits for immigrants from the north, trying to colonize and ‘Russify’ the peninsula. Yet, in 1897, Crimean Tatars still constituted the majority of the local population (36%), with Russians being the second largest nation (33%)."
"In 1944, massive deportation was conducted by the USSR after the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs had accused Crimean Tatars of treason, collaboration, and defection."
"from 600 000 to 1.5 million Russians moved to Crimea as of 2021, while 30 000 Crimean Tatars were forced to leave the peninsula"
"Absent Russian citizenship, one cannot get a job, use medical services, open a bank account, buy a credit card, sell a house, or get a license plate."
"if they do not receive a foreign residence permit, they may be regarded as displaced persons and thus deported."
https://icds.ee/en/crimean-tatars-in-the-vortex-of-war-a-decisive-moment-for-the-nation/
"the Soviet Union adopted a policy of “Russification” for the peninsula. Crimea was “Russified”: Any study of the Tatar’s native language was banned, ancient Tatar names were erased, Tatar books were burned, and their mosques were destroyed."
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/crimean-tatars-and-russification
"The Atesh guerrilla group is active behind Russian lines"
“Atesh is very deep underground,”
“There was not a single arrest among Atesh members, but they are working inside Crimea territory blowing up targets.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/17/the-underground-crimean-tatar-group-taking-up-arms-against-russia
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Read up on history, particularly the Bosphorous straights.
Still doesn’t solve the Tartaristan dilemma. And while we are at it what about historically Polish lands now occupied by Ukraine. Don’t forget it was just a hundred years ago that Poland defeated ukraine in a war but then lost those lands illegally to the USSR as those Soviet states carved up eastern Poland.
Anonymous wrote:Read up on history, particularly the Bosphorous straights.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lol did he feel this way when Turkey occupied their native Crimea? Crimean Tatars are basically Turks. Why wasn’t it Ukraine colonizing them? It’s not like they were governing themselves.
Since real American's won't know what the troll is saying, let me narrate Moscow's storyline for you.
Moscow's position is that Crimea is "predominantly Russian." Here's the backstory:
"In 1783, the peninsula was annexed by the Russian Empire"
"Most Crimean Tatars (about 300 000 people) left their homeland and settled within the borders of the Ottoman Empire. The Russian government introduced benefits for immigrants from the north, trying to colonize and ‘Russify’ the peninsula. Yet, in 1897, Crimean Tatars still constituted the majority of the local population (36%), with Russians being the second largest nation (33%)."
"In 1944, massive deportation was conducted by the USSR after the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs had accused Crimean Tatars of treason, collaboration, and defection."
"from 600 000 to 1.5 million Russians moved to Crimea as of 2021, while 30 000 Crimean Tatars were forced to leave the peninsula"
"Absent Russian citizenship, one cannot get a job, use medical services, open a bank account, buy a credit card, sell a house, or get a license plate."
"if they do not receive a foreign residence permit, they may be regarded as displaced persons and thus deported."
https://icds.ee/en/crimean-tatars-in-the-vortex-of-war-a-decisive-moment-for-the-nation/
"the Soviet Union adopted a policy of “Russification” for the peninsula. Crimea was “Russified”: Any study of the Tatar’s native language was banned, ancient Tatar names were erased, Tatar books were burned, and their mosques were destroyed."
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/crimean-tatars-and-russification
"The Atesh guerrilla group is active behind Russian lines"
“Atesh is very deep underground,”
“There was not a single arrest among Atesh members, but they are working inside Crimea territory blowing up targets.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/17/the-underground-crimean-tatar-group-taking-up-arms-against-russia
Okay. Will the Ukrainians grant independence to Crimea and other historically Tartar areas?
That's between Zelensky and Turkey. Oh, wait! They seem to have hit it off!
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/08/1186626989/turkeys-erdogan-zelenskyy-ukraine-deserves-membership-nato
I'm guessing they have post-war plans? It's nice when people work together, don't you think?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lol did he feel this way when Turkey occupied their native Crimea? Crimean Tatars are basically Turks. Why wasn’t it Ukraine colonizing them? It’s not like they were governing themselves.
Since real American's won't know what the troll is saying, let me narrate Moscow's storyline for you.
Moscow's position is that Crimea is "predominantly Russian." Here's the backstory:
"In 1783, the peninsula was annexed by the Russian Empire"
"Most Crimean Tatars (about 300 000 people) left their homeland and settled within the borders of the Ottoman Empire. The Russian government introduced benefits for immigrants from the north, trying to colonize and ‘Russify’ the peninsula. Yet, in 1897, Crimean Tatars still constituted the majority of the local population (36%), with Russians being the second largest nation (33%)."
"In 1944, massive deportation was conducted by the USSR after the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs had accused Crimean Tatars of treason, collaboration, and defection."
"from 600 000 to 1.5 million Russians moved to Crimea as of 2021, while 30 000 Crimean Tatars were forced to leave the peninsula"
"Absent Russian citizenship, one cannot get a job, use medical services, open a bank account, buy a credit card, sell a house, or get a license plate."
"if they do not receive a foreign residence permit, they may be regarded as displaced persons and thus deported."
https://icds.ee/en/crimean-tatars-in-the-vortex-of-war-a-decisive-moment-for-the-nation/
"the Soviet Union adopted a policy of “Russification” for the peninsula. Crimea was “Russified”: Any study of the Tatar’s native language was banned, ancient Tatar names were erased, Tatar books were burned, and their mosques were destroyed."
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/crimean-tatars-and-russification
"The Atesh guerrilla group is active behind Russian lines"
“Atesh is very deep underground,”
“There was not a single arrest among Atesh members, but they are working inside Crimea territory blowing up targets.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/17/the-underground-crimean-tatar-group-taking-up-arms-against-russia
Okay. Will the Ukrainians grant independence to Crimea and other historically Tartar areas?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lol did he feel this way when Turkey occupied their native Crimea? Crimean Tatars are basically Turks. Why wasn’t it Ukraine colonizing them? It’s not like they were governing themselves.
Since real American's won't know what the troll is saying, let me narrate Moscow's storyline for you.
Moscow's position is that Crimea is "predominantly Russian." Here's the backstory:
"In 1783, the peninsula was annexed by the Russian Empire"
"Most Crimean Tatars (about 300 000 people) left their homeland and settled within the borders of the Ottoman Empire. The Russian government introduced benefits for immigrants from the north, trying to colonize and ‘Russify’ the peninsula. Yet, in 1897, Crimean Tatars still constituted the majority of the local population (36%), with Russians being the second largest nation (33%)."
"In 1944, massive deportation was conducted by the USSR after the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs had accused Crimean Tatars of treason, collaboration, and defection."
"from 600 000 to 1.5 million Russians moved to Crimea as of 2021, while 30 000 Crimean Tatars were forced to leave the peninsula"
"Absent Russian citizenship, one cannot get a job, use medical services, open a bank account, buy a credit card, sell a house, or get a license plate."
"if they do not receive a foreign residence permit, they may be regarded as displaced persons and thus deported."
https://icds.ee/en/crimean-tatars-in-the-vortex-of-war-a-decisive-moment-for-the-nation/
"the Soviet Union adopted a policy of “Russification” for the peninsula. Crimea was “Russified”: Any study of the Tatar’s native language was banned, ancient Tatar names were erased, Tatar books were burned, and their mosques were destroyed."
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/crimean-tatars-and-russification
"The Atesh guerrilla group is active behind Russian lines"
“Atesh is very deep underground,”
“There was not a single arrest among Atesh members, but they are working inside Crimea territory blowing up targets.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/17/the-underground-crimean-tatar-group-taking-up-arms-against-russia