Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 22:02     Subject: Re: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


No one will watch, that doesn’t want to know. And that’s a lot of people. People are exhausted. They want results not hype.

I’d love to say that everyone will be riveted like me, but I know better. Recall the first and second impeachment of Donald Trump.


The House committee isn’t prosecuting anyone and the Senate won’t get a chance to acquit them. The Committee is getting all the information out there and then forwarding it to DOJ. Which because it’s not headed by Trump, won’t put all the criminal referrals in a circular file.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 21:47     Subject: Re: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
Anonymous wrote:


No one will watch, that doesn’t want to know. And that’s a lot of people. People are exhausted. They want results not hype.

I’d love to say that everyone will be riveted like me, but I know better. Recall the first and second impeachment of Donald Trump.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 21:21     Subject: Re: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 18:43     Subject: Re: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They are moving fast with the cases they have! I think it's pretty clear they don't yet have a case against Trump or we would be seeing action against Trump. Do you want them to bring a case before they are able to prove it and win it? Because losing a case against Trump seems worse than not bringing one.

IANAL and won’t pretend to know anything about the law, but it seems - from what I’ve learned from television - that the more famous the defendant and the more serious the crime, the quieter a good prosecutor is about a case. I don’t think we can take the silence from the DOJ to assume that they don’t have a case, I think that what he did was treason and they’re going to proceed slowly and totally correctly, dotting all the i’s and j’s.

Do I think that rat bastar should be in prison right now? Absolutely. Again, if people have followed news and passages from books, Trump’s guilt is evident.


Sorry, yes, we agree. That's what I mean by "don't have a case" - I mean don't have a case sufficiently buttoned up that they can bring it and be pretty assured of winning. I would more than assume that the day a prosecutor feels they can go before a jury and get a conviction, they will be bringing charges against any of these clowns.

To the PP - the misdemeanor charge against Bannon is for ignoring the congressional subpoena. It's not for his role in 1/6.


No kidding, that’s the problem. He gets media exposure for a nothing offense and meanwhile skates on the serious crime. This is ridiculous. The government has the evidence. Give me a break! This is a strategic failure. It’s happened before and is happening now.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 17:54     Subject: Re: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Exactly the freaking problem. The public doesn’t care about these low level cases and doesn’t want to follow closely. They want big public consequences for big public people. Someone big enough that people know their name, soon. Before it’s too damn late and it looks purely political.


And, in order to get the big fish, you have to work up the chain. It takes a long time and it has to be meticulous. Would you want one of the organizers to get off on a technicality?


So the recent school shooter may be charge with terrorism. I think that is an over charge. Now anyone who participated in the Jan 6 th event should be charged as a terrorist. It is Beyond comprehension that they have not been charged as terrorists.


There's no domestic terrorism crime at the federal level. Seriously. It only covers foreign terrorism.

And guess who is greatly opposed to new domestic terrorism laws?

Could it possibly the same GOP that keeps nurturing domestic terrorism, could it be?
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 16:12     Subject: Re: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Exactly the freaking problem. The public doesn’t care about these low level cases and doesn’t want to follow closely. They want big public consequences for big public people. Someone big enough that people know their name, soon. Before it’s too damn late and it looks purely political.


And, in order to get the big fish, you have to work up the chain. It takes a long time and it has to be meticulous. Would you want one of the organizers to get off on a technicality?


So the recent school shooter may be charge with terrorism. I think that is an over charge. Now anyone who participated in the Jan 6 th event should be charged as a terrorist. It is Beyond comprehension that they have not been charged as terrorists.


There's no domestic terrorism crime at the federal level. Seriously. It only covers foreign terrorism.

And guess who is greatly opposed to new domestic terrorism laws?
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 16:07     Subject: Re: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Exactly the freaking problem. The public doesn’t care about these low level cases and doesn’t want to follow closely. They want big public consequences for big public people. Someone big enough that people know their name, soon. Before it’s too damn late and it looks purely political.


And, in order to get the big fish, you have to work up the chain. It takes a long time and it has to be meticulous. Would you want one of the organizers to get off on a technicality?


So the recent school shooter may be charge with terrorism. I think that is an over charge. Now anyone who participated in the Jan 6 th event should be charged as a terrorist. It is Beyond comprehension that they have not been charged as terrorists.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 15:50     Subject: Re: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
Anonymous wrote:
Exactly the freaking problem. The public doesn’t care about these low level cases and doesn’t want to follow closely. They want big public consequences for big public people. Someone big enough that people know their name, soon. Before it’s too damn late and it looks purely political.


And, in order to get the big fish, you have to work up the chain. It takes a long time and it has to be meticulous. Would you want one of the organizers to get off on a technicality?
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 15:43     Subject: Re: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They are moving fast with the cases they have! I think it's pretty clear they don't yet have a case against Trump or we would be seeing action against Trump. Do you want them to bring a case before they are able to prove it and win it? Because losing a case against Trump seems worse than not bringing one.

IANAL and won’t pretend to know anything about the law, but it seems - from what I’ve learned from television - that the more famous the defendant and the more serious the crime, the quieter a good prosecutor is about a case. I don’t think we can take the silence from the DOJ to assume that they don’t have a case, I think that what he did was treason and they’re going to proceed slowly and totally correctly, dotting all the i’s and j’s.

Do I think that rat bastar should be in prison right now? Absolutely. Again, if people have followed news and passages from books, Trump’s guilt is evident.


Sorry, yes, we agree. That's what I mean by "don't have a case" - I mean don't have a case sufficiently buttoned up that they can bring it and be pretty assured of winning. I would more than assume that the day a prosecutor feels they can go before a jury and get a conviction, they will be bringing charges against any of these clowns.

To the PP - the misdemeanor charge against Bannon is for ignoring the congressional subpoena. It's not for his role in 1/6.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 15:38     Subject: Re: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
Anonymous wrote:They are moving fast with the cases they have! I think it's pretty clear they don't yet have a case against Trump or we would be seeing action against Trump. Do you want them to bring a case before they are able to prove it and win it? Because losing a case against Trump seems worse than not bringing one.

IANAL and won’t pretend to know anything about the law, but it seems - from what I’ve learned from television - that the more famous the defendant and the more serious the crime, the quieter a good prosecutor is about a case. I don’t think we can take the silence from the DOJ to assume that they don’t have a case, I think that what he did was treason and they’re going to proceed slowly and totally correctly, dotting all the i’s and j’s.

Do I think that rat bastar should be in prison right now? Absolutely. Again, if people have followed news and passages from books, Trump’s guilt is evident.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 15:28     Subject: Re: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You’ve made my point then. If we are too timid to take on the big fish, taking on the little fish is pointless and counterproductive because it minimizes the seriousness of the crime. I don’t want to hear about Joe the plumber who got caught up in his delusions and his poor sad fate. It just makes us look more impotent that we can’t stop the people responsible for his downfall.


Well I guess too bad for you because you can't just go arrest people because it makes you feel better.


Is that what I said? No. I said move faster with the cases you have, not the cases you might have in five years. Time is of the essence. Public opinion actually matters here.


They are moving fast with the cases they have! I think it's pretty clear they don't yet have a case against Trump or we would be seeing action against Trump. Do you want them to bring a case before they are able to prove it and win it? Because losing a case against Trump seems worse than not bringing one.


No I highly doubt we will ever prosecute him. But surely something more than a contempt charge for Bannon? And flynn? I mean cheese and rice, if they can’t get those two by now then they’ve failed.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 15:19     Subject: Re: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
Anonymous wrote:You’ve made my point then. If we are too timid to take on the big fish, taking on the little fish is pointless and counterproductive because it minimizes the seriousness of the crime. I don’t want to hear about Joe the plumber who got caught up in his delusions and his poor sad fate. It just makes us look more impotent that we can’t stop the people responsible for his downfall.


Well I guess too bad for you because you can't just go arrest people because it makes you feel better.


Is that what I said? No. I said move faster with the cases you have, not the cases you might have in five years. Time is of the essence. Public opinion actually matters here.


They are moving fast with the cases they have! I think it's pretty clear they don't yet have a case against Trump or we would be seeing action against Trump. Do you want them to bring a case before they are able to prove it and win it? Because losing a case against Trump seems worse than not bringing one.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 14:40     Subject: Re: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
You’ve made my point then. If we are too timid to take on the big fish, taking on the little fish is pointless and counterproductive because it minimizes the seriousness of the crime. I don’t want to hear about Joe the plumber who got caught up in his delusions and his poor sad fate. It just makes us look more impotent that we can’t stop the people responsible for his downfall.


Well I guess too bad for you because you can't just go arrest people because it makes you feel better.


Is that what I said? No. I said move faster with the cases you have, not the cases you might have in five years. Time is of the essence. Public opinion actually matters here.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 14:37     Subject: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
You all have far too much blind faith in the DOJ. It’s sad. They didn’t save us from Trump and they won’t save us now.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2021 14:09     Subject: Re: US Capitol Breached by Trump's lunatics - The Commision Thread
Anonymous wrote:Can both of you please start trimming down your responses? Having 20 layers of quoted material makes trying to read the thread and your comments a royal PITA.

I think the problem is that this PP is frustrated by the slow pace of public prosecution. It doesn't move swiftly because the system is designed to protect the wrongfully accused as much as possible. So, the cases have to be built to be strong. The smaller cases can be brought to trial faster because they are simpler. The larger and more complex cases take time to put together and make sure that they are complete enough to rule and sentence.

The cases for the large fish are progressing and you can bet the more convictions they get at the lower level, the better it will be for the prosecution against the bigger conspiracists. You just have to be more patient.

+1
I, too, am frustrated and scared that not enough is being done. It’s pretty obvious that the GOP, even people like Romney who was specifically targeted that day, tacitly or openly approves of the attempt to overthrow the government. If they didn’t, they would have left the party so that it could die like the treasonous mess it is.

But if you follow along with ANYTHING Trump’s guilt is written all over everything. The fact that it was aided and abetted from within at several different agencies is obvious.

If justice matters to you: let your representatives know. And never, ever vote GOP again. Not even for stupid reasons like CRT and high schoolers having books with books with (gasp!) sex in them. Realize that if you’re falling for that kind of crap, you’re a mark and you need to reassess your “news” sources.