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jsteele wrote:
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I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.


Exactly. Perfectly stated. But still too difficult for many here to understand.


FOR THE LAST TIME SLOWLY

SOCIAL DISTANCE AND MASKS

and again many on here are just pushing testing testing testing which is just the democratic talking point and have no idea what this really means

hint it does not mean testing before you leave your house it does not mean multiple tests a week

There is no way to social distance in a salon or barber shop or restaurant. We don't have enough effective masks for even our health care workers. There are many other occupations where you cannot social distance effectively (and teaching is definitely one). We need testing. There is no way around it.

I have asked this numerous times and nobody has given an answer......

Are you suggesting that the govt. mandate testing for everyone? What kind of testing?

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Well, I was at the rally in Annapolis and talked to a husband and wife USPS letter carriers, a Giant home delivery driver who was there with his son who works at a Giant, and two Safeway pharmacists. I work in a Whole Foods shipping center.

The “working class” does get days off and are stronger and need less rest than the keyboard pushers.

Why would the people you describe be protesting to open things up when you are working already? And so to be clear, were you talking to these people through your cars, or did you and the other protesters leave your cars and have these conversations? Because you just said a few posts ago that everyone was in their cars and no one got out.

I was not the poster who said that everyone was in their cars and did not get out.

I talked to the people I mentioned in a parking lot before the rally. Those I talked to said they were either supporting grocery workers or knew people with small businesses. I was their to support workers who are trying to get higher pay as risk compensation. My wife was with me because she is a pediatrician who wants to see select patients she feels cannot be correctly treated only through health conferences.

Show me the signs calling for higher comp for grocery workers?

As for pediatricians, I'm not aware that there's any prohibition against a doctor seeing a patient they feel cannot be correctly treated through telemedicine.

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Well, I was at the rally in Annapolis and talked to a husband and wife USPS letter carriers, a Giant home delivery driver who was there with his son who works at a Giant, and two Safeway pharmacists. I work in a Whole Foods shipping center.

The “working class” does get days off and are stronger and need less rest than the keyboard pushers.

Why would the people you describe be protesting to open things up when you are working already? And so to be clear, were you talking to these people through your cars, or did you and the other protesters leave your cars and have these conversations? Because you just said a few posts ago that everyone was in their cars and no one got out.

I was not the poster who said that everyone was in their cars and did not get out.

I talked to the people I mentioned in a parking lot before the rally. Those I talked to said they were either supporting grocery workers or knew people with small businesses. I was their to support workers who are trying to get higher pay as risk compensation. My wife was with me because she is a pediatrician who wants to see select patients she feels cannot be correctly treated only through health conferences.

Your wife went to a protest to demand the right to do something that's already allowed?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well, I was at the rally in Annapolis and talked to a husband and wife USPS letter carriers, a Giant home delivery driver who was there with his son who works at a Giant, and two Safeway pharmacists. I work in a Whole Foods shipping center.

The “working class” does get days off and are stronger and need less rest than the keyboard pushers.

Why would the people you describe be protesting to open things up when you are working already? And so to be clear, were you talking to these people through your cars, or did you and the other protesters leave your cars and have these conversations? Because you just said a few posts ago that everyone was in their cars and no one got out.

I was not the poster who said that everyone was in their cars and did not get out.

I talked to the people I mentioned in a parking lot before the rally. Those I talked to said they were either supporting grocery workers or knew people with small businesses. I was their to support workers who are trying to get higher pay as risk compensation. My wife was with me because she is a pediatrician who wants to see select patients she feels cannot be correctly treated only through health conferences.

I honestly don’t see anything wrong with this. I know many people on this forum who are hiding feel differently.

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Anonymous wrote:

Well, I was at the rally in Annapolis and talked to a husband and wife USPS letter carriers, a Giant home delivery driver who was there with his son who works at a Giant, and two Safeway pharmacists. I work in a Whole Foods shipping center.

The “working class” does get days off and are stronger and need less rest than the keyboard pushers.

Why would the people you describe be protesting to open things up when you are working already? And so to be clear, were you talking to these people through your cars, or did you and the other protesters leave your cars and have these conversations? Because you just said a few posts ago that everyone was in their cars and no one got out.

I was not the poster who said that everyone was in their cars and did not get out.

I talked to the people I mentioned in a parking lot before the rally. Those I talked to said they were either supporting grocery workers or knew people with small businesses. I was their to support workers who are trying to get higher pay as risk compensation. My wife was with me because she is a pediatrician who wants to see select patients she feels cannot be correctly treated only through health conferences.

Anonymous wrote:

Well, I was at the rally in Annapolis and talked to a husband and wife USPS letter carriers, a Giant home delivery driver who was there with his son who works at a Giant, and two Safeway pharmacists. I work in a Whole Foods shipping center.

The “working class” does get days off and are stronger and need less rest than the keyboard pushers.

Why would the people you describe be protesting to open things up when you are working already? And so to be clear, were you talking to these people through your cars, or did you and the other protesters leave your cars and have these conversations? Because you just said a few posts ago that everyone was in their cars and no one got out.

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jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.


Exactly. Perfectly stated. But still too difficult for many here to understand.


FOR THE LAST TIME SLOWLY

SOCIAL DISTANCE AND MASKS

and again many on here are just pushing testing testing testing which is just the democratic talking point and have no idea what this really means

hint it does not mean testing before you leave your house it does not mean multiple tests a week

There is no way to social distance in a salon or barber shop or restaurant. We don't have enough effective masks for even our health care workers. There are many other occupations where you cannot social distance effectively (and teaching is definitely one). We need testing. There is no way around it.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.

Exactly. Perfectly stated. But still too difficult for many here to understand.

FOR THE LAST TIME SLOWLY

SOCIAL DISTANCE AND MASKS

and again many on here are just pushing testing testing testing which is just the democratic talking point and have no idea what this really means

hint it does not mean testing before you leave your house it does not mean multiple tests a week

Here's what Korea is enjoying now, in large part due to testing.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-18/seoul-s-full-cafes-apple-store-lines-show-mass-testing-success

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Jeff's logic doesnt make sense. On one hand he doesnt want death, yet in another thread he was talking about a walk in Rock Creek Park the other day. Another hypocritical statement with political overtures I'm guessing

Yes, I walked in Rock Creek Park because daily exercise is necessary to maintain good health. I stayed more than six feet from anyone else. When I saw that the park became crowded, I began wearing a mask during walks, while still maintaining a safe distance from others. Then, I hurt my foot and haven't been able to walk for a few days.

If we could reopen the economy while allowing everyone to maintain similar conditions as I do on my walks, I would strongly support reopening. But, in fact, we can't so I don't. That is consistency rather than hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is demanding that the working class risk its health while you continue to protect yours.

That's exactly the guidance from the task force, yet I'm sure you don't watch the presser or read the literature because you despise the leader. I'm out every day and see many others doing the same.

I watch the press conference every day. Yesterday I saw Trump supporting protesters who violated every guideline. So I don’t have confidence in his leadership.

Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Safe distancing according to PP:

A newspaper in Sacramento? Doctored or stock photos have been used many times by the complicit media in the past. Keep trying Jeffy

That is a picture of protestors last week in Columbus Ohio.

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Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.


Pure gaslighting. of course they have a constitutional right to assemble and file greivence. is it smart right now to do that?


There is always consequences for ones actions. Getting sick and dying is one however so is the constitutional rights of them protecting their family.. Thank God we live in a country that gives you a choice.

In this case you getting sick and dying is putting lots of health care providers at risk of getting sick and dying. And others. Did they have a right to choose?

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I will submit that you likely have no first degree friends who have had this illness or where you have had any sort of day by day account of what this illness is like for those who are impacted by it, but I can assure you, it is not like having a mild or severe flu. It is far, far worse. My friends who are recovering from it (as opposed to the ones who have died) are saying that the peak or the worst they really wanted to just die, it was that bad, and that the recovery is very arduous, some suffering chronic lung issues, others are very lethargic. This is weeks after. So it isn't like a little 3 day flu like thing that you just bounce back from.

Yes, I realize all of this. Avoiding this is not worth causing a global depression.

If you realize this and still think it's "economy vs. health", then you are too dumb to argue with. I probably have COVID (still can't get tested, am signing up for NIH anti-body study now). I am a healthy, 42 y.o. who used to run and workout almost daily. I have a "mild to moderate" case. 5 weeks in, I can't walk up the stairs in my house without catching my breath. No one can tell me if I'm at risk of permanent lung, liver, or heart disease...but some studies from China are showing that I might be. I am exhausted by 3pm most days, and I am nowhere as productive as I was just this past February. Let's assume a in-between scenario (neither too pessimistic nor too optimistic) where my prognosis is mild, long-term organ damage...you think it wouldn't hurt the economy if hundreds-of-thousands of people in the prime of their careers ended up like that?

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Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Pure gaslighting. of course they have a constitutional right to assemble and file greivence. is it smart right now to do that?

There is always consequences for ones actions. Getting sick and dying is one however so is the constitutional rights of them protecting their family.. Thank God we live in a country that gives you a choice.

"the constitution is not a suicide pact."

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Anonymous wrote:

Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Pure gaslighting. of course they have a constitutional right to assemble and file greivence. is it smart right now to do that?

There is always consequences for ones actions. Getting sick and dying is one however so is the constitutional rights of them protecting their family.. Thank God we live in a country that gives you a choice.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think what everyone would like is for reopening to happen along with minimizing infection spread and death as we reopen. The minimizing infection spread and death plan has yet to be introduced in a coherent and realistic fashion That is why we are not reopening.

Exactly. Perfectly stated. But still too difficult for many here to understand.

FOR THE LAST TIME SLOWLY

SOCIAL DISTANCE AND MASKS

and again many on here are just pushing testing testing testing which is just the democratic talking point and have no idea what this really means

hint it does not mean testing before you leave your house it does not mean multiple tests a week

No, it means keeping the positives in isolation.

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Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Pure gaslighting. of course they have a constitutional right to assemble and file greivence. is it smart right now to do that?