Anonymous
04/18/2019 15:29
Subject: Re:Subtle signs of class
Anonymous wrote:
I disagree. Are you unaware of how MM is being received in the UK currently?
Many of the qualities which served MM well as an actress (self-promoter, overly enthusiastic, emotionally expressive) in Hollywood are not helping her case with the British public. MM may be well-intention-ed, but she does not seem to understand how her actions are contributing to her negative press coverage and how she is being perceived. She is in dire need of a new PR strategy.
As I cautioned, I would place less confidence in anything I say about the UK vs America. However, I don't believe that the initial reception of a disruptive character is a reliable indicator of their eventual acceptance. The UK is in the midst of an identity crisis, and part of that crisis is the emergence of values that are typically American (individualism, self reliance). I think this puts MM in the Royal Family at a unique moment in history. There are also a lot of indications that the BRF actually wants MM to be different. The engagement photo is the best evidence of this.
MM is very disruptive, and will face strong opposition for a few years to come. If there is any truth to the rumor that Will is sleeping with Kate's bff, this could accelerate MM's road to acceptance.
MM's background gives her many distinct advantages over KM. MM will more readily perceive class-oriented differences in behavior than KM. This means that she will also learn how to correctly break the rules of her adopted class. Unlike UMC Kate, WC MM knows that to achieve native level fluency in her adopted class, she has to push the boundaries, which will make her more interesting, more daring, and ultimately more beloved by a nation struggling to find its own sea legs in a changing Europe.
Wait, what? Tell us more!
Anonymous
04/18/2019 15:23
Subject: Re:Subtle signs of class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clean and clutter free.
And art on the walls rather than photographs of the couple everywhere (a definite sign of low class).
I could not disagree with the clutter bit more. Some of the most cultured and intelligent people have houses filled with random treasures, often heirlooms or from trips. It is only clutter to the uncurious mind.
Profile writer and I also disagree. Fastidiousness is MC and below. Part of this is because UMC and above generally have cleaners. It's also because social custom for UMC and above is to provide notice that you'll be visiting. UMC+ doesn't just pop over except with immediate neighbors, so there isn't a need to constantly maintain a clean house.
That said, the poor and destitute often have untidy houses.
I believe Fussell said that obsession with neatness and cleanliness is a truly middle class obsession.
Upper class are neat because they have staff to keep them neat.
I know a very UC family with multiple homes. They never learned how to organize (both parents grew up very UC) and as a result all of their houses are horrific messes in the "back" rooms--they have rooms you aren't allowed to go into that are full of stuff--antiques, books, papers, their kids' junk, etc. They have cleaners for the "public" dining room and living room type areas but the cleaners are not allowed to go into the back rooms.
Anonymous
04/18/2019 15:21
Subject: Subtle signs of class
Linda Tripp, who now runs a Christmas store in Middleburg (per the Post) is classy.... what next? This thread is the gift that keeps on giving!
Anonymous
04/18/2019 15:17
Subject: Re:Subtle signs of class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clean and clutter free.
And art on the walls rather than photographs of the couple everywhere (a definite sign of low class).
I could not disagree with the clutter bit more. Some of the most cultured and intelligent people have houses filled with random treasures, often heirlooms or from trips. It is only clutter to the uncurious mind.
Profile writer and I also disagree. Fastidiousness is MC and below. Part of this is because UMC and above generally have cleaners. It's also because social custom for UMC and above is to provide notice that you'll be visiting. UMC+ doesn't just pop over except with immediate neighbors, so there isn't a need to constantly maintain a clean house.
That said, the poor and destitute often have untidy houses.
I believe Fussell said that obsession with neatness and cleanliness is a truly middle class obsession.
Upper class are neat because they have staff to keep them neat.
Anonymous
04/18/2019 15:15
Subject: Re:Subtle signs of class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clean and clutter free.
And art on the walls rather than photographs of the couple everywhere (a definite sign of low class).
I could not disagree with the clutter bit more. Some of the most cultured and intelligent people have houses filled with random treasures, often heirlooms or from trips. It is only clutter to the uncurious mind.
Profile writer and I also disagree. Fastidiousness is MC and below. Part of this is because UMC and above generally have cleaners. It's also because social custom for UMC and above is to provide notice that you'll be visiting. UMC+ doesn't just pop over except with immediate neighbors, so there isn't a need to constantly maintain a clean house.
That said, the poor and destitute often have untidy houses.
I believe Fussell said that obsession with neatness and cleanliness is a truly middle class obsession.
Anonymous
04/18/2019 15:11
Subject: Subtle signs of class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm the person whose in laws have a destitute but socially prominent person living with them and I'm still kind of amused that this is a known "thing."
I imagine horse people aren't the only people who do this but horse people LOVE a destitute but social prominent long term house guest. I remember there was a family with the fattest, grumpiest looking pony I'd ever seen and Linda Tripp was always watching because she lived in their pool house or something.
A long term house guest can also just be a really fun gay friend.
Yeah, well, the ILs is the horsiest horse person ever. Was once an Olympic equestrian hopeful.
Anonymous
04/18/2019 15:04
Subject: Subtle signs of class
Anonymous wrote:Owning a farm and living quietly in Middleburg is very different than living destitute, as was being implied.
It means she has money. Not that she’s “classy.”
Anonymous
04/18/2019 14:59
Subject: Subtle signs of class
Owning a farm and living quietly in Middleburg is very different than living destitute, as was being implied.
Anonymous
04/18/2019 14:50
Subject: Subtle signs of class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm the person whose in laws have a destitute but socially prominent person living with them and I'm still kind of amused that this is a known "thing."
I imagine horse people aren't the only people who do this but horse people LOVE a destitute but social prominent long term house guest. I remember there was a family with the fattest, grumpiest looking pony I'd ever seen and Linda Tripp was always watching because she lived in their pool house or something.
A long term house guest can also just be a really fun gay friend.
Have we established that either the host or “socially prominent” guests are UC? Because when I think of UC, I don’t necessarily think of Linda Tripp.
Fun fact. Linda Tripp lives9or did) in Middleburg and married the owner of the awesome Middleburg Christmas shop. He is an adorable elderly German guy and the store is amazing. She lives or lived in a beautiful farm some years ago outside the village. I know this because after taking several lessons with a wonderful young woman at this beautiful farm with fabulous stables and horses, I came to learn my teacher was Linda's daughter and that the house up the hill was "mom's house." So really, people, you don't have any idea what you are talking about.
Co-owning a Christmas shop is cute, but far from upper class.
Anonymous
04/18/2019 14:20
Subject: Subtle signs of class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm the person whose in laws have a destitute but socially prominent person living with them and I'm still kind of amused that this is a known "thing."
I imagine horse people aren't the only people who do this but horse people LOVE a destitute but social prominent long term house guest. I remember there was a family with the fattest, grumpiest looking pony I'd ever seen and Linda Tripp was always watching because she lived in their pool house or something.
A long term house guest can also just be a really fun gay friend.
Have we established that either the host or “socially prominent” guests are UC? Because when I think of UC, I don’t necessarily think of Linda Tripp.
Fun fact. Linda Tripp lives9or did) in Middleburg and married the owner of the awesome Middleburg Christmas shop. He is an adorable elderly German guy and the store is amazing. She lives or lived in a beautiful farm some years ago outside the village. I know this because after taking several lessons with a wonderful young woman at this beautiful farm with fabulous stables and horses, I came to learn my teacher was Linda's daughter and that the house up the hill was "mom's house." So really, people, you don't have any idea what you are talking about.
Anonymous
04/18/2019 14:18
Subject: Subtle signs of class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm the person whose in laws have a destitute but socially prominent person living with them and I'm still kind of amused that this is a known "thing."
I imagine horse people aren't the only people who do this but horse people LOVE a destitute but social prominent long term house guest. I remember there was a family with the fattest, grumpiest looking pony I'd ever seen and Linda Tripp was always watching because she lived in their pool house or something.
A long term house guest can also just be a really fun gay friend.
Have we established that either the host or “socially prominent” guests are UC? Because when I think of UC, I don’t necessarily think of Linda Tripp.
I mean she was really famous. I think it was around when she was doing a lot of work on her face.
Anonymous
04/18/2019 14:14
Subject: Subtle signs of class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm the person whose in laws have a destitute but socially prominent person living with them and I'm still kind of amused that this is a known "thing."
I imagine horse people aren't the only people who do this but horse people LOVE a destitute but social prominent long term house guest. I remember there was a family with the fattest, grumpiest looking pony I'd ever seen and Linda Tripp was always watching because she lived in their pool house or something.
A long term house guest can also just be a really fun gay friend.
Have we established that either the host or “socially prominent” guests are UC? Because when I think of UC, I don’t necessarily think of Linda Tripp.
Anonymous
04/18/2019 13:04
Subject: Re:Subtle signs of class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clean and clutter free.
And art on the walls rather than photographs of the couple everywhere (a definite sign of low class).
I could not disagree with the clutter bit more. Some of the most cultured and intelligent people have houses filled with random treasures, often heirlooms or from trips. It is only clutter to the uncurious mind.
Profile writer and I also disagree. Fastidiousness is MC and below. Part of this is because UMC and above generally have cleaners. It's also because social custom for UMC and above is to provide notice that you'll be visiting. UMC+ doesn't just pop over except with immediate neighbors, so there isn't a need to constantly maintain a clean house.
That said, the poor and destitute often have untidy houses.
Anonymous
04/18/2019 12:55
Subject: Subtle signs of class
Anonymous wrote:I'm the person whose in laws have a destitute but socially prominent person living with them and I'm still kind of amused that this is a known "thing."
I imagine horse people aren't the only people who do this but horse people LOVE a destitute but social prominent long term house guest. I remember there was a family with the fattest, grumpiest looking pony I'd ever seen and Linda Tripp was always watching because she lived in their pool house or something.
A long term house guest can also just be a really fun gay friend.
Anonymous
04/18/2019 12:53
Subject: Subtle signs of class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Small kitchen, lots of guest rooms, old American cars with some dirt on them. Persian rugs obtained by an older relative whist traveling in Iraq or Yemen in the early 1900s. Vacations include things like helicopter trips to hunt moose or elk, or expeditions on camel with Bedouins. Art includes antiquities, framed handwritten poems signed by Maya Angelou, and mounted heads of animals killed while hunting.
Hunting is not classy. At all.
Foxhunting is! And killing the fox isn't the goal. But shining up my pony and tack, putting on my pink and raising a stirrup cup is the best. Truly nothing more glorious that riding out at dawn before the world is truly awake and the dew is still moistly holding the foxes scent. The sights and sounds of the hounds working the scent. The entire experience is amazing. And at the end, we make the horses comfortable and tuck in for a fabulous hunt brunch. Unparalleled.
So you still kill the fox?
It's just really silly to obsess over the fox. IDK how many foxes are killed by foxhunts in VA but it can't be that many and like, shouldn't the outrage start with chickens and pigs? Or just building new developments, for that matter? Surely sprawl kills more foxes.