Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:42
Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Very interesting twitter rumor running around that Trump could be named as an unindicted co-conspirator, a la Nixon. Process that for a moment.
not a lawyer but...that means he can't pardon the other conspirators, right?
It’s a bad idea. Terrible really. Worse than firing Mueller. Possibly obstruction of justice. But he probably could, technically. Because he hasn’t been convicted. It’s weird territory. For sure.
The big deal here is that it would mean that Meuller has found evidence sufficient to indict Trump on something, but he can’t while Trump is in office, because a sitting POTUS cannot be indicted. It is the big red arrow pointing at Trump saying “this guy committed this specific crime with these people, so it’s time to impeach him”. Nixon resigned about six weeks after it became public that he was an unindicted co-conspirator.
Do we know that Trump can't be indicted? The presidency is not a magic shield.
It's unclear. Jones v Clinton said that a sitting president could be sued, but that was civil, not criminal.
Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:40
Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Very interesting twitter rumor running around that Trump could be named as an unindicted co-conspirator, a la Nixon. Process that for a moment.
not a lawyer but...that means he can't pardon the other conspirators, right?
It’s a bad idea. Terrible really. Worse than firing Mueller. Possibly obstruction of justice. But he probably could, technically. Because he hasn’t been convicted. It’s weird territory. For sure.
The big deal here is that it would mean that Meuller has found evidence sufficient to indict Trump on something, but he can’t while Trump is in office, because a sitting POTUS cannot be indicted. It is the big red arrow pointing at Trump saying “this guy committed this specific crime with these people, so it’s time to impeach him”. Nixon resigned about six weeks after it became public that he was an unindicted co-conspirator.
Do we know that Trump can't be indicted? The presidency is not a magic shield.
Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:29
Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not clear that preemptive pardons work, and could backfire on Trump apparently as a form of obstruction...
Only if the GOP in the Congress care.
If they don't, our constitutional republic is dead.
Look, the Deep State is getting bolder and bolder. The whispers are louder. Trust me, if they are reaching ME....we are already fucked.
Are you hearing voices again sweetie?
Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:28
Subject: Re:Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:it will be Manafort for money laundering ..IMO
Or failure to register as a foreign agent.
Low hanging fruit.
Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:28
Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The big question.....will Trump pardon after the accused's name becomes public?
Doesn't the person have to be convicted or plead guilty to be pardoned?
Yep, and just think about all the stuff that will probably come out during the trial!
Are you kidding? We can’t even get bank records from Fusion GPS who hired a foreign national who paid off Soviet sources in the dossier. FML.
To think the Department of Homeland Security was created to break up silos. Russia didn’t do thison their own. Obama admin and Hillary and her attorneys did this.
Obama and Hillary and her attorneys conspired to swing the Election for Trump?
Ummm. Okay. That’s an interesting take.
Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:26
Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:But, if he's an Unindicted Co Conspirator...isn't issuing the pardon to a conspirator another fresh case of obstruction of justice? My head is spinning.
And we have a winner. If he pardons someone as a way to stop them for testifying about the conspiracy? Yep.
Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:26
Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not clear that preemptive pardons work, and could backfire on Trump apparently as a form of obstruction...
Only if the GOP in the Congress care.
If they don't, our constitutional republic is dead.
Look, the Deep State is getting bolder and bolder. The whispers are louder. Trust me, if they are reaching ME....we are already fucked.
Don't be down on yourself. Your tin foil hat probably gets great reception for every single right wing conspiracy there is.
Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:24
Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The big question.....will Trump pardon after the accused's name becomes public?
Doesn't the person have to be convicted or plead guilty to be pardoned?
No, Trump could issue pre-emptive pardons. If anyone accepts, though, it is an admission of guilt. If there are state charges, as well as federal charges, then a pardon isn't helpful.
If there are state charges, then a pardon is a huge problem. Because it’s an admission of guilt. Which is not a great position to be in facing criminal charge. And in the financial crimes, there is a lot of state/ federal overlap.
Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:22
Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it have been fun to be on this grand jury? All the times I've been called for jury duty and its never anything exciting.
You would need to have a lot of free time on your hands. A lot.
Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:21
Subject: Re:Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:it will be Manafort for money laundering ..IMO
And Podesta, yes?
Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:21
Subject: Re:Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:it will be Manafort for money laundering ..IMO
What point would there be to sealed indictments for either Manafort or Flynn? Everyone knows what those to got up to, at least the stuff that made it to the papers.
Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:20
Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not clear that preemptive pardons work, and could backfire on Trump apparently as a form of obstruction...
Only if the GOP in the Congress care.
If they don't, our constitutional republic is dead.
Look, the Deep State is getting bolder and bolder. The whispers are louder. Trust me, if they are reaching ME....we are already fucked.
Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:20
Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Very interesting twitter rumor running around that Trump could be named as an unindicted co-conspirator, a la Nixon. Process that for a moment.
not a lawyer but...that means he can't pardon the other conspirators, right?
It’s a bad idea. Terrible really. Worse than firing Mueller. Possibly obstruction of justice. But he probably could, technically. Because he hasn’t been convicted. It’s weird territory. For sure.
The big deal here is that it would mean that Meuller has found evidence sufficient to indict Trump on something, but he can’t while Trump is in office, because a sitting POTUS cannot be indicted. It is the big red arrow pointing at Trump saying “this guy committed this specific crime with these people, so it’s time to impeach him”. Nixon resigned about six weeks after it became public that he was an unindicted co-conspirator.
Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:17
Subject: Re:Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
it will be Manafort for money laundering ..IMO
Anonymous
10/29/2017 19:14
Subject: Grand Jury Issues Sealed Indictments in Mueller Case
Anonymous wrote:Not clear that preemptive pardons work, and could backfire on Trump apparently as a form of obstruction...
Only if the GOP in the Congress care.
If they don't, our constitutional republic is dead.