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Anonymous wrote:more deflection from ANY sort of responsibility. PPs (including me) have said MULTIPLE times that the police have work to do to improve. yet you can't acknowledge that maybe not everything is the police's fault.

From what it looks like the most egregious attempts deflection come about whenever a point is made about police responsibility and police accountability. That subject is not open for discussion at all - it gets mentioned and immediately stats are throw out about black-on-black crime and immediate shifts of emphasis occur to avoid delving into that aspect of the problems between blue and black. People will gladly go on for 4/5 pages in these threads about blacks and their criminality and culpability but apparently no one is willing to engage in such in-depth discussion about police misconduct.

this is a thread about a (recorded on video, including by a civilian) police-involved shooting where a gun was recovered with the deceased's DNA, fingerprints, and blood on it. the only thing pointing to "police misconduct" is that the deceased's family says he didn't have a gun. is there any other evidence of "misconduct?"

for me, given the evidence we have seen, this doesn't seem to be a case of police misconduct. for that reason, this thread, IMO, isn't really the place for an "in-depth discussion about police misconduct."

i also think more discussion happens about crime in the black community because, according to statistics, it is a bigger problem (in terms of loss of life) than police.

1) how the gun got there is a point of contention

2) all black people dintvlivevinbtge sane community

3) predominately white communities have the same problem, white people killing other white people. Where is YOUR outrage about that????

4) if the issue at hand is alleged police misconduct then, of course the stats will not reflect reality, but what has been rigged

5) if Donna has brain cancer, I damn sure I'm not going to tell her to shut up because more women have breadt cancer and we need to focus on that

Anonymous wrote:more deflection from ANY sort of responsibility. PPs (including me) have said MULTIPLE times that the police have work to do to improve. yet you can't acknowledge that maybe not everything is the police's fault.

I have to agree. I am not arguing that blacks aren't jailed more often for minor offenses. There are stats proving that - and there's Clinton who legitimized the Super Predator image with the Crime Bill.

But that doesn't excuse illegal behavior. Just b/c Affluenza Andy gets off for smoking pot in his dad's Mercedes doesn't excuse the fact that a young black boy who got high was caught for the same illegal activity.

Of course, it still needs to be addressed so that law enforcement becomes cognizant of their own biases.

However, institutionalized racism, while it exists, should not be the "go to" excuse. If I'm not paying my bills on time b/c I can't get my calendar straight, do I blame the utility company? Or do I get my life organized instead?

Again, I'm not denying that this racism doesn't exist, but rioting by destroying honest businesses and by scaring innocent people in cars and by looting is NOT the answer.

OK, to be fair, I'm certain that there's a media bias, too, as these sources tend to highlight the extreme to make money. If that's the case, then recognize that it will be THAT MUCH MORE important to fight these images projected by the media. So the (throwing this out there) 10% doing the damage will therefore look like 90% on television.

And still, that 10% should not get an "excused note" for poor behavior.

Anonymous wrote:more deflection from ANY sort of responsibility. PPs (including me) have said MULTIPLE times that the police have work to do to improve. yet you can't acknowledge that maybe not everything is the police's fault.

No one said everything Is the fault of the cops, so no one is going to address that crap!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:DP. The hatred displayed by some of you who are bending over backwards to blame the police, and accuse them of planting evidence, is quite sad.

First, we have a man who defiantly pulls up in front of police and rolls a marihuana cigarette. Illegal, and stupid.
Second, the police are dealing with an ex-felon who was sent to prison for assault with a deadly weapon, and who appears to be holding a gun in his hand, and near a school.
Third, they yell at him to drop the gun, and he refuses to comply.
Fourth, they keep yelling to drop the gun, and he continues to defy police commands.
Fifth, they yell again to drop the weapon, and he still refuses.
Sixth, his wife is yelling "Keith, don't do it"! What was it that he was doing that had his wife so desperate for him to stop?

And yet, with all this, it's automatically the "racist" black cop's fault.

Yup. How is it "racist" when they're both the SAME race???

I hate stupid so much it makes my stomach hurt.
Yes you can be racist against your own racial group, ethnic group.
Oh my God what world, what schools did you people attend that you don't understand this????

eh

I posted the Atlantic article to show one side. I didn't add a response b/c I'm not sure how I feel.

ButiIf a black cop,in the heat of the moment - shoots at a black person brandishing a gun (loaded or not), is s/he thinking that the black buy with a gun is scum b/c of some institutionalized belief shaping his/her perception? Or is s/he shooting at the person just to protect him/herself?

I'm sure the police thought about his family during that moment. Maybe he has kids, a partner, parents, siblings.

I would imagine that self-preservation would probably cross your mind first during a moment like this - and not necessarily skin color.

But if skin color subconsciously plays a role, then we pay more taxes to create anti-bias training programs for police. Expect to pay more, however, b/c trainings - especially nationwide - don't come cheap. And let's not forget the monitoring, which is the data-collection. "Did the training make a difference?"

Yes, we need to address subconcious bias that might play into a police encounter with a black person (usually male). But to be fair, we need to acknowledgr WHY there is or may be that bias. I'm hearing a lot about systemic racism, but nothing about the fact that black people commit a disproprtionate amount of crime, and that, knowing that, a cop may feel more threatened when approaching a black guy. Blacks make up only 13% of the population but commit 52% of the murders. So while it's not PC to point it out, some of the subconcious racism is perpetrated by the high rate of crime in the black community, disproprtionate to their numbers.

So it's a two-way street. Police need better training on how to de-escalate a situation (which is NOT always possible), but blacks need to realize that the high crime rates within their own community are exacerbating the problem. Both sides need to take responsibility for their role in this situation.

Yea black folks just commit more crimes. I guess you never thought that an I just system nay punish black folks for stuff white folks get away with . Target predominately black communities.
Black athelete gets falsely accused of rape, goes to prison.
Brock Turner doez 2 min in county jail
Thousands of black men in jail for selling weed, but now white boys getting rich because it's now legal I. Numerous jurisdictions
Are there black criminals
Hell Yes!
Are there white criminals?
Hell Yes!
But somehow it's ok to paint black folks as being prone to criminality based off some bullshit stats based on a biased justice system.
It's just easier for you to believe we are to be feared than to think that maybe your mindset and complacency helps to support injustice.
Good Luck with that !

That's right. It's always the white man's fault.

Guess you just missed the part about black people committing crimes, easier to skip that huh?
go on believing that black folk are inherently criminal minds don't give a f*****
People of all races, with good conscience are standing up for equality and justice and your bullshiggety is dying a painful death.
GOOD RIDDANCE!

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Anonymous wrote:more deflection from ANY sort of responsibility. PPs (including me) have said MULTIPLE times that the police have work to do to improve. yet you can't acknowledge that maybe not everything is the police's fault.

From what it looks like the most egregious attempts deflection come about whenever a point is made about police responsibility and police accountability. That subject is not open for discussion at all - it gets mentioned and immediately stats are throw out about black-on-black crime and immediate shifts of emphasis occur to avoid delving into that aspect of the problems between blue and black. People will gladly go on for 4/5 pages in these threads about blacks and their criminality and culpability but apparently no one is willing to engage in such in-depth discussion about police misconduct.

this is a thread about a (recorded on video, including by a civilian) police-involved shooting where a gun was recovered with the deceased's DNA, fingerprints, and blood on it. the only thing pointing to "police misconduct" is that the deceased's family says he didn't have a gun. is there any other evidence of "misconduct?"

for me, given the evidence we have seen, this doesn't seem to be a case of police misconduct. for that reason, this thread, IMO, isn't really the place for an "in-depth discussion about police misconduct."

i also think more discussion happens about crime in the black community because, according to statistics, it is a bigger problem (in terms of loss of life) than police.

Anonymous wrote:more deflection from ANY sort of responsibility. PPs (including me) have said MULTIPLE times that the police have work to do to improve. yet you can't acknowledge that maybe not everything is the police's fault.

From what it looks like the most egregious attempts deflection come about whenever a point is made about police responsibility and police accountability. That subject is not open for discussion at all - it gets mentioned and immediately stats are throw out about black-on-black crime and immediate shifts of emphasis occur to avoid delving into that aspect of the problems between blue and black. People will gladly go on for 4/5 pages in these threads about blacks and their criminality and culpability but apparently no one is willing to engage in such in-depth discussion about police misconduct.

Anonymous wrote:Big cities do have an overwhelming glut of lawyers.

Big cities also have big budgets that should afford them the ability to properly recruit, screen, test, train, and educate their officers as well as provide adequate community outreach to curb the instances of police misconduct. Wouldn't that be more cost effective and also create a better social climate than just giving anybody with a high school diploma a gun and a badge after requiring them to put in less hours of training that it takes to become a beautician and letting them loose on the streets?

more deflection from ANY sort of responsibility. PPs (including me) have said MULTIPLE times that the police have work to do to improve. yet you can't acknowledge that maybe not everything is the police's fault.

Big cities do have an overwhelming glut of lawyers.

Where is the outrage about this...

Since 2009 a combined $16.6 million was spent by taxpayers in just four cities alone to settle 122 police-misconduct lawsuits. Those cities are: Indianapolis, Austin, San Jose, and San Francisco. And those cities aren't even "infamous" for being crime ridden.

During that same time, taxpayers of just one city were expropriated for more than twice that. The people of Philadelphia paid $40 million to settle 584 of the 1,223 police-misconduct lawsuits filed against its department since 2009.

And taxpayers in the city of New York have had to shell out more than $428,000,000 since 2009 for wrongful arrest and civil rights settlements.

Where is the outrage at those statistics? Where is the outrage at all those taxpayer dollars being spent to compensate for abusive and over-aggressive or just plain poorly trained police officers trampling on the rights of citizens?

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Anonymous wrote:DP. The hatred displayed by some of you who are bending over backwards to blame the police, and accuse them of planting evidence, is quite sad.

First, we have a man who defiantly pulls up in front of police and rolls a marihuana cigarette. Illegal, and stupid.
Second, the police are dealing with an ex-felon who was sent to prison for assault with a deadly weapon, and who appears to be holding a gun in his hand, and near a school.
Third, they yell at him to drop the gun, and he refuses to comply.
Fourth, they keep yelling to drop the gun, and he continues to defy police commands.
Fifth, they yell again to drop the weapon, and he still refuses.
Sixth, his wife is yelling "Keith, don't do it"! What was it that he was doing that had his wife so desperate for him to stop?

And yet, with all this, it's automatically the "racist" black cop's fault.

Yup. How is it "racist" when they're both the SAME race???

I hate stupid so much it makes my stomach hurt.
Yes you can be racist against your own racial group, ethnic group.
Oh my God what world, what schools did you people attend that you don't understand this????

eh

I posted the Atlantic article to show one side. I didn't add a response b/c I'm not sure how I feel.

ButiIf a black cop,in the heat of the moment - shoots at a black person brandishing a gun (loaded or not), is s/he thinking that the black buy with a gun is scum b/c of some institutionalized belief shaping his/her perception? Or is s/he shooting at the person just to protect him/herself?

I'm sure the police thought about his family during that moment. Maybe he has kids, a partner, parents, siblings.

I would imagine that self-preservation would probably cross your mind first during a moment like this - and not necessarily skin color.

But if skin color subconsciously plays a role, then we pay more taxes to create anti-bias training programs for police. Expect to pay more, however, b/c trainings - especially nationwide - don't come cheap. And let's not forget the monitoring, which is the data-collection. "Did the training make a difference?"

Yes, we need to address subconcious bias that might play into a police encounter with a black person (usually male). But to be fair, we need to acknowledgr WHY there is or may be that bias. I'm hearing a lot about systemic racism, but nothing about the fact that black people commit a disproprtionate amount of crime, and that, knowing that, a cop may feel more threatened when approaching a black guy. Blacks make up only 13% of the population but commit 52% of the murders. So while it's not PC to point it out, some of the subconcious racism is perpetrated by the high rate of crime in the black community, disproprtionate to their numbers.

So it's a two-way street. Police need better training on how to de-escalate a situation (which is NOT always possible), but blacks need to realize that the high crime rates within their own community are exacerbating the problem. Both sides need to take responsibility for their role in this situation.

Yea black folks just commit more crimes. I guess you never thought that an I just system nay punish black folks for stuff white folks get away with . Target predominately black communities.
Black athelete gets falsely accused of rape, goes to prison.
Brock Turner doez 2 min in county jail
Thousands of black men in jail for selling weed, but now white boys getting rich because it's now legal I. Numerous jurisdictions
Are there black criminals
Hell Yes!
Are there white criminals?
Hell Yes!
But somehow it's ok to paint black folks as being prone to criminality based off some bullshit stats based on a biased justice system.
It's just easier for you to believe we are to be feared than to think that maybe your mindset and complacency helps to support injustice.
Good Luck with that !

That's right. It's always the white man's fault.

Anonymous wrote:of the 2,491 homicides of a black victim in 2013, 2,245 or NINETY percent were committed by a black assailant. where is the outrage about that?

FBI uniform crime reporting: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

of the 2,491 homicides of a black victim in 2013, 2,245 or NINETY percent were committed by a black assailant. where is the outrage about that?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. The hatred displayed by some of you who are bending over backwards to blame the police, and accuse them of planting evidence, is quite sad.

First, we have a man who defiantly pulls up in front of police and rolls a marihuana cigarette. Illegal, and stupid.
Second, the police are dealing with an ex-felon who was sent to prison for assault with a deadly weapon, and who appears to be holding a gun in his hand, and near a school.
Third, they yell at him to drop the gun, and he refuses to comply.
Fourth, they keep yelling to drop the gun, and he continues to defy police commands.
Fifth, they yell again to drop the weapon, and he still refuses.
Sixth, his wife is yelling "Keith, don't do it"! What was it that he was doing that had his wife so desperate for him to stop?

And yet, with all this, it's automatically the "racist" black cop's fault.

Yup. How is it "racist" when they're both the SAME race???

I hate stupid so much it makes my stomach hurt.
Yes you can be racist against your own racial group, ethnic group.
Oh my God what world, what schools did you people attend that you don't understand this????

eh

I posted the Atlantic article to show one side. I didn't add a response b/c I'm not sure how I feel.

ButiIf a black cop,in the heat of the moment - shoots at a black person brandishing a gun (loaded or not), is s/he thinking that the black buy with a gun is scum b/c of some institutionalized belief shaping his/her perception? Or is s/he shooting at the person just to protect him/herself?

I'm sure the police thought about his family during that moment. Maybe he has kids, a partner, parents, siblings.

I would imagine that self-preservation would probably cross your mind first during a moment like this - and not necessarily skin color.

But if skin color subconsciously plays a role, then we pay more taxes to create anti-bias training programs for police. Expect to pay more, however, b/c trainings - especially nationwide - don't come cheap. And let's not forget the monitoring, which is the data-collection. "Did the training make a difference?"

Yes, we need to address subconcious bias that might play into a police encounter with a black person (usually male). But to be fair, we need to acknowledgr WHY there is or may be that bias. I'm hearing a lot about systemic racism, but nothing about the fact that black people commit a disproprtionate amount of crime, and that, knowing that, a cop may feel more threatened when approaching a black guy. Blacks make up only 13% of the population but commit 52% of the murders. So while it's not PC to point it out, some of the subconcious racism is perpetrated by the high rate of crime in the black community, disproprtionate to their numbers.

So it's a two-way street. Police need better training on how to de-escalate a situation (which is NOT always possible), but blacks need to realize that the high crime rates within their own community are exacerbating the problem. Both sides need to take responsibility for their role in this situation.

Yea black folks just commit more crimes. I guess you never thought that an I just system nay punish black folks for stuff white folks get away with . Target predominately black communities.
Black athelete gets falsely accused of rape, goes to prison.
Brock Turner doez 2 min in county jail
Thousands of black men in jail for selling weed, but now white boys getting rich because it's now legal I. Numerous jurisdictions
Are there black criminals
Hell Yes!
Are there white criminals?
Hell Yes!
But somehow it's ok to paint black folks as being prone to criminality based off some bullshit stats based on a biased justice system.
It's just easier for you to believe we are to be feared than to think that maybe your mindset and complacency helps to support injustice.
Good Luck with that !

And therein lies my point about personal responsibility.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. The hatred displayed by some of you who are bending over backwards to blame the police, and accuse them of planting evidence, is quite sad.

First, we have a man who defiantly pulls up in front of police and rolls a marihuana cigarette. Illegal, and stupid.
Second, the police are dealing with an ex-felon who was sent to prison for assault with a deadly weapon, and who appears to be holding a gun in his hand, and near a school.
Third, they yell at him to drop the gun, and he refuses to comply.
Fourth, they keep yelling to drop the gun, and he continues to defy police commands.
Fifth, they yell again to drop the weapon, and he still refuses.
Sixth, his wife is yelling "Keith, don't do it"! What was it that he was doing that had his wife so desperate for him to stop?

And yet, with all this, it's automatically the "racist" black cop's fault.

Yup. How is it "racist" when they're both the SAME race???

I hate stupid so much it makes my stomach hurt.
Yes you can be racist against your own racial group, ethnic group.
Oh my God what world, what schools did you people attend that you don't understand this????

eh

I posted the Atlantic article to show one side. I didn't add a response b/c I'm not sure how I feel.

ButiIf a black cop,in the heat of the moment - shoots at a black person brandishing a gun (loaded or not), is s/he thinking that the black buy with a gun is scum b/c of some institutionalized belief shaping his/her perception? Or is s/he shooting at the person just to protect him/herself?

I'm sure the police thought about his family during that moment. Maybe he has kids, a partner, parents, siblings.

I would imagine that self-preservation would probably cross your mind first during a moment like this - and not necessarily skin color.

But if skin color subconsciously plays a role, then we pay more taxes to create anti-bias training programs for police. Expect to pay more, however, b/c trainings - especially nationwide - don't come cheap. And let's not forget the monitoring, which is the data-collection. "Did the training make a difference?"

Yes, we need to address subconcious bias that might play into a police encounter with a black person (usually male). But to be fair, we need to acknowledgr WHY there is or may be that bias. I'm hearing a lot about systemic racism, but nothing about the fact that black people commit a disproprtionate amount of crime, and that, knowing that, a cop may feel more threatened when approaching a black guy. Blacks make up only 13% of the population but commit 52% of the murders. So while it's not PC to point it out, some of the subconcious racism is perpetrated by the high rate of crime in the black community, disproprtionate to their numbers.

So it's a two-way street. Police need better training on how to de-escalate a situation (which is NOT always possible), but blacks need to realize that the high crime rates within their own community are exacerbating the problem. Both sides need to take responsibility for their role in this situation.

Yea black folks just commit more crimes. I guess you never thought that an I just system nay punish black folks for stuff white folks get away with . Target predominately black communities.
Black athelete gets falsely accused of rape, goes to prison.
Brock Turner doez 2 min in county jail
Thousands of black men in jail for selling weed, but now white boys getting rich because it's now legal I. Numerous jurisdictions
Are there black criminals
Hell Yes!
Are there white criminals?
Hell Yes!
But somehow it's ok to paint black folks as being prone to criminality based off some bullshit stats based on a biased justice system.
It's just easier for you to believe we are to be feared than to think that maybe your mindset and complacency helps to support injustice.
Good Luck with that !