Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:12     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
I must say - Florida sounds horrid.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:12     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
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Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"


Yup. And they're spaced pretty closely apart - like 20 feet? You can see 2 signs in this picture.



Again folks, that sign does not imply that you: 1) cannot wade in the waters' edge, or 2) there are alligators in the water.


On what planet does "steep drop off" mean "ok to wade?" The two are completely correlated. It means no walking into the water, because THERE IS A STEEP DROP OFF. No walking = no wading. How is that not obvious?!



Not pp, but no. The warning means there are various risks by going into the water.

So you know, don't go into the water. Don't let your kids go into the water. Don't let your kids get too near to the water.

For most people, they don't need itemized detailed descriptions. A warning sign = "hmm, I better keep away due to a variety of possible risks."



Finally, a voice of reason.


Agreed.
I posted earlier that I would think it would be okay to stick your feet in the water if there was a "No Swimming" sign because I wasn't actually swimming, but if I saw this sign, I wouldn't let my two year-old go near the water.


Great research here. Your argument works if the child drowned from going into the water. Thats not what happened here.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:12     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"


Yup. And they're spaced pretty closely apart - like 20 feet? You can see 2 signs in this picture.



Again folks, that sign does not imply that you: 1) cannot wade in the waters' edge, or 2) there are alligators in the water.


On what planet does "steep drop off" mean "ok to wade?" The two are completely correlated. It means no walking into the water, because THERE IS A STEEP DROP OFF. No walking = no wading. How is that not obvious?!



Finally, a voice of reason.


Agreed.
I posted earlier that I would think it would be okay to stick your feet in the water if there was a "No Swimming" sign because I wasn't actually swimming, but if I saw this sign, I wouldn't let my two year-old go near the water.


Same.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:12     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
They haven't found the child because the alligator has eaten the child! And you can't find the alligator because he's in a resting place after a meal.

They should just put up ALLIGATORS BEWARE signs or keep the lake/pond enclosed with signs. Not just one sign, many signs around the fence.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:11     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"


Yup. And they're spaced pretty closely apart - like 20 feet? You can see 2 signs in this picture.



How hard would it have been to add "Alligators" to that list. Or say "stay out of water" instead of "no swimming." I've been to that beach and kids are regularly wading and splashing in the water with resort staff around and never seen any of them intervene to stop it. It is quite reasonable to assume based on that sign that "swimming" = swimming. Not wading.


I don't know, because parents are supposed to be watching their kids? And the steep drop off is warning against wading, because both done by walking in.

I don't understand how some people can't draw simple conclusions by themselves.


The fact that kids DO routinely wade and splash in that water and the resort staff does not stop them tells me as a visitor that it is OK. Disney's signage and staff were not adequately communicating that being in the water in any way is dangerous. I agree, I wouldn't send my 2 yr old over to a "steep drop off" to wade if that sign was my only info but if I'd been seeing kids wade there throughout the day, then I'd probably be fine walking next to him while he wades and it does sound like the dad was very, very close to the child since he immediately tried to fight off the animal.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:11     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
I'm an over anxious helicopter mom. Example, I'm afraid to let my kids swim at the outer banks because of sharks. I'm insane. (I do let them swim but I am afraid).

That said, I don't think I'd interpret "no swimming" to mean the same thing as "no wading".

As someone from the northeast, I would never think of a danger from alligators at a resort. I went to Orlando a couple of years ago and we rode on the water back and forth to HP world each day. I never thought twice about Gators.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:11     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
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Anonymous wrote:Disney should install electric shocking diodes in the water and every hour clear the beach to shock and kill anything in the water. It's disney damnit where everything is supposed to be pretend and safe.


And then once/hour have dead fish and snakes and turtles and alligators all bubbling up to the surface and floating on top of the water? That is so disturbing. A terrible mental image.


Pretty sure that poster was being sarcastic.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:11     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"


Yup. And they're spaced pretty closely apart - like 20 feet? You can see 2 signs in this picture.



How hard would it have been to add "Alligators" to that list. Or say "stay out of water" instead of "no swimming." I've been to that beach and kids are regularly wading and splashing in the water with resort staff around and never seen any of them intervene to stop it. It is quite reasonable to assume based on that sign that "swimming" = swimming. Not wading.


I don't know, because parents are supposed to be watching their kids? And the steep drop off is warning against wading, because both done by walking in.

I don't understand how some people can't draw simple conclusions by themselves.


That area doesn't even look like a place you can wade. You don't know the child waded in that spot. You don't know the terrain where he was splashing.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:10     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"


Yup. And they're spaced pretty closely apart - like 20 feet? You can see 2 signs in this picture.



You know what I don't see on this sign? "Gators in water. Beware."


Really? You must be either a lawyer or an Clinton supporter (definition of what "is" is)...

Gators are mobile and come and go from lakes all over Florida looking for food. No swimming means don't go into the water!


Ha! I am neither! Not a lawyer and a lifelong Republican.

You know what else I am: SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW GATOR PRACTICES. So if I see a sign telling me not to swim, I don't swim. But I might wade. Because the sign didn't say anything about gators. About which I know little.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:10     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
It seems there are alligators all over FL!
Why don't they just put up signs. Instead of just don't swim in water, how about "Alligators!"
Management doesn't know there are alligators that can wander into their area? Tourists definitely do not know that alligators can wander the streets and bodies of water in FL.
Avoid all ponds and lakes in FL. Most have alligators.
You know they have panthers in FL too.


Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:10     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
I can't believe they haven't found the child yet. Are they using drones to look? Or just on foot/boat searches?
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:10     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"


Yup. And they're spaced pretty closely apart - like 20 feet? You can see 2 signs in this picture.



Again folks, that sign does not imply that you: 1) cannot wade in the waters' edge, or 2) there are alligators in the water.


On what planet does "steep drop off" mean "ok to wade?" The two are completely correlated. It means no walking into the water, because THERE IS A STEEP DROP OFF. No walking = no wading. How is that not obvious?!



Finally, a voice of reason.


Agreed.
I posted earlier that I would think it would be okay to stick your feet in the water if there was a "No Swimming" sign because I wasn't actually swimming, but if I saw this sign, I wouldn't let my two year-old go near the water.


Great research here. Your argument works if the child drowned from going into the water. Thats not what happened here.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:07     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"


Yup. And they're spaced pretty closely apart - like 20 feet? You can see 2 signs in this picture.



How hard would it have been to add "Alligators" to that list. Or say "stay out of water" instead of "no swimming." I've been to that beach and kids are regularly wading and splashing in the water with resort staff around and never seen any of them intervene to stop it. It is quite reasonable to assume based on that sign that "swimming" = swimming. Not wading.


I don't know, because parents are supposed to be watching their kids? And the steep drop off is warning against wading, because both done by walking in.

I don't understand how some people can't draw simple conclusions by themselves.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:06     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"


If reports are true, it sounds like the kid was at the edge of the water. He wasn't propelling himself in a body of water. Especially if he was a 2 years old.

Honestly though, whether he was one inch in the water or 10 feet away on land, if the gator wanted him, it would have gotten him, or anyone else for that matter. Gators can run up to 35mph on land. Olympic sprinter Usian Bolt couldn't outrun a gator at that speed.

It was a terrible accident. If there were no gator warning signs, then Disney is negligent. Lets stop victim blaming here.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 12:06     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"


Yup. And they're spaced pretty closely apart - like 20 feet? You can see 2 signs in this picture.



Again folks, that sign does not imply that you: 1) cannot wade in the waters' edge, or 2) there are alligators in the water.


On what planet does "steep drop off" mean "ok to wade?" The two are completely correlated. It means no walking into the water, because THERE IS A STEEP DROP OFF. No walking = no wading. How is that not obvious?!



Finally, a voice of reason.


Agreed.
I posted earlier that I would think it would be okay to stick your feet in the water if there was a "No Swimming" sign because I wasn't actually swimming, but if I saw this sign, I wouldn't let my two year-old go near the water.