Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 18:06     Subject: 3 killed in crash on River Road
He should have been taking the f-ing bus.

I hope he gets 30 years and i hope her family (what is left of them) sue the crap out of him and his parents.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 17:24     Subject: 3 killed in crash on River Road
Anonymous wrote:"Sorry" ain't going to cut it. This kid had been a menace on the road for a while and it was only a matter of time before this happened.

3 lives gone. For what? I hope he goes to jail for a while. Because he has a serious, serious problem.


He's facing up to 30 years.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 17:23     Subject: 3 killed in crash on River Road
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wow. There is no way anyone can predict a car flying out at that speed on that intersection


I still don't understand how the car that was turning didn't see him coming. He was going way too fast and obs at fault, but when I look out before I turn I do not go if I see cars flying towards me. Anyone have any info on how they may have missed him.


There road is small hill that slightly distorts the view at the turn-off for the high school. Plus, at night it's too difficult to tell how far away the speeding car is. At the 45mph speed limit, the family would have easily made the turn. At 115mph the driver is moving 56 yards per second.


Also, as the crash engineers noted, the BMW was coming straight on and given the dark with headlights, it would be very difficult for the driver of the Volt to accurately estimate the approaching car's speed. So he saw it, figured it was going 45-60 mph and turned, clearly not recognizing the 115 mph approach speed. Even with braking, impact was at 75 mph.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 17:20     Subject: 3 killed in crash on River Road
Are they going to finally put a stoplight in there or what?
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 17:19     Subject: 3 killed in crash on River Road
"Sorry" ain't going to cut it. This kid had been a menace on the road for a while and it was only a matter of time before this happened.

3 lives gone. For what? I hope he goes to jail for a while. Because he has a serious, serious problem.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 17:14     Subject: 3 killed in crash on River Road
Anonymous wrote:The place of the turn down a short hill, with the BMW driver coming from uphill. so either the driver of the turning car saw him uphill but grossly underestimated the BMW's speed (speeding cars reach 60 at most there), or the oncoming car was simply hidden behind the hill when the turn was initiated.


Thank you for the explanation. This is horrible.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 17:12     Subject: Re:3 killed in crash on River Road
Anonymous wrote:This is shocking and so sad. I hope he goes to jail for a long, long time.


I'm willing to bet he'll receive something like 6 years, and will get out in 2.
Kinda like that kid who drove drunk and killed two of his classmates.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 17:12     Subject: 3 killed in crash on River Road
Anonymous wrote:The car has to have some recording sensors, so I think the speed and braking info will come out eventually, but even if he was going a little fast, he is a youth, he is part of a disadvantaged minority, the people that died were turning left and had an absolute duty to YIELD. So really the poor youth is the victim here. I wouldn't be surprised if he could successfully sue the estate of the deceased. It's a tragedy for all, but lets all pray for this poor youth. He shouldn't have to put up with this scrutiny and speculation.



I hope whoever posted this has read the update and reflected on "speculation."

115 mph. Not a "little fast." And no, the other driver didn't have an "absolute duty to YIELD" when it is impossible to avoid someone driving so recklessly. He is not going to "sue the estate," and I am not going to pray for "this poor youth."

I am relieved that he is at least taking responsibility for his actions. I wish, however, that's first brush with the law had had an impact on him.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 17:06     Subject: 3 killed in crash on River Road
The hill is about .1 mile, so at this speed, it may have taken the car less than 4 seconds to reach from uphill, where the pedestrian crossing is to the intersection.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 16:54     Subject: 3 killed in crash on River Road
P.s. If you look street view you can see how the hill provides limited view of cars.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 16:53     Subject: 3 killed in crash on River Road
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wow. There is no way anyone can predict a car flying out at that speed on that intersection


I still don't understand how the car that was turning didn't see him coming. He was going way too fast and obs at fault, but when I look out before I turn I do not go if I see cars flying towards me. Anyone have any info on how they may have missed him.


There road is small hill that slightly distorts the view at the turn-off for the high school. Plus, at night it's too difficult to tell how far away the speeding car is. At the 45mph speed limit, the family would have easily made the turn. At 115mph the driver is moving 56 yards per second.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 16:53     Subject: 3 killed in crash on River Road
Anonymous wrote:No reason for a kid that young and with that kind of driving record to be driving period, much less a BMW. Hope his parents had lots and lots of insurance. Since it was his father's leased car, and you can almost certainly prove the father knew about his driving behavior, I'd nail him on negligent entrustment.



If someone commits a sex offense, they are marked for life. If someone engages in reckless driving, we cannot take away their license. Driving is too essential to existence as an adult.

Next up, how hipster cyclists and light rail lines are endangering our way of life.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 16:52     Subject: Re:3 killed in crash on River Road
I don't know, but it is generally harder to gauge a car's speed in the dark.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 16:52     Subject: 3 killed in crash on River Road
The place of the turn down a short hill, with the BMW driver coming from uphill. so either the driver of the turning car saw him uphill but grossly underestimated the BMW's speed (speeding cars reach 60 at most there), or the oncoming car was simply hidden behind the hill when the turn was initiated.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2016 16:47     Subject: 3 killed in crash on River Road
Anonymous wrote:Wow. There is no way anyone can predict a car flying out at that speed on that intersection


I still don't understand how the car that was turning didn't see him coming. He was going way too fast and obs at fault, but when I look out before I turn I do not go if I see cars flying towards me. Anyone have any info on how they may have missed him.