Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 17:41     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
^^ I forgot to add. I'm not a Republican in case someone assumes my complaint is politically grounded.


OF COURSE YOU ARE. The Tea Party is following the Koch propaganda to oppose NCLB and Common Core. You view it as "ObamaCare for Education"

There was no doubt in anyone's mind.



I believe this person 100%. I don't know why you think that everyone who is against CC is a tea party member. Not everyone is as partisan as you are.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 17:38     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
It was better before NCLB. Why? Because teaching was authentic. It came from the teacher, and teachers felt trusted to do their job instead of surveilled and monitored and punished if some numbers didn't meet expectation. And school wasn't an exploitation of children to perform for nothing but the reputation and job security of teachers, principals, administrators, etc. I moved here from a long stint in another country and witnessed a huge difference in elementary due to NCLB. Here I found kids who were stressed and under pressure to perform due to NCLB, and the teacher and administrator stress and pressure to push and manipulate children throughout the year to do so was visible and palpable. And the kids seemed to have so much less fun learning and being at school than where I was previously. NCLB is a terrible idea, is harmful to the learning experience (and I'm not just talking about time wasted on tests), and a waste of money.


You are full of shit.



Not any of the PPs. Why do you have to be so disrespectful?
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 17:35     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
from PARCConline.org

Our Belief


PARCC is based on the core belief that assessment should work as a tool for enhancing teaching and learning. Because the assessments are aligned with the new, more rigorous Common Core State Standards (CCSS), they ensure that every child is on a path to college and career readiness by measuring what students should know at each grade level. They will also provide parents and teachers with timely information to identify students who may be falling behind and need extra help.



Sure sounds like the child is supposed to be taking the grade level test.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 17:31     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

What does that have to do with the Common Core standards? The Common Core standards don't say anything about which test (required by the No Child Left Behind Act) a child has to take.


What is PARCC then? Isn't that connected to Common Core?


Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 17:19     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:

All the Common Core standards say is: this is what you need to be able to do/know in order to be at grade level. If you can already do it, do the Common Core standards require teachers to teach you that anyway? No. If you're nowhere near being able to do it, do the Common Core standards require teachers to teach you that anyway? No.


So, if the child is in fifth grade and working on third grade level, he gets to take the third grade test?



What does that have to do with the Common Core standards? The Common Core standards don't say anything about which test (required by the No Child Left Behind Act) a child has to take.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 17:14     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

All the Common Core standards say is: this is what you need to be able to do/know in order to be at grade level. If you can already do it, do the Common Core standards require teachers to teach you that anyway? No. If you're nowhere near being able to do it, do the Common Core standards require teachers to teach you that anyway? No.


So, if the child is in fifth grade and working on third grade level, he gets to take the third grade test?




Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 17:12     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:It was better before NCLB. Why? Because teaching was authentic. It came from the teacher, and teachers felt trusted to do their job instead of surveilled and monitored and punished if some numbers didn't meet expectation. And school wasn't an exploitation of children to perform for nothing but the reputation and job security of teachers, principals, administrators, etc. I moved here from a long stint in another country and witnessed a huge difference in elementary due to NCLB. Here I found kids who were stressed and under pressure to perform due to NCLB, and the teacher and administrator stress and pressure to push and manipulate children throughout the year to do so was visible and palpable. And the kids seemed to have so much less fun learning and being at school than where I was previously. NCLB is a terrible idea, is harmful to the learning experience (and I'm not just talking about time wasted on tests), and a waste of money.


Our Nation is at risk. Our once unchallenged preeminence in commerce, industry, science, and technological innovation is being overtaken by competitors throughout the world. This report is concerned with only one of the many causes and dimensions of the problem, but it is the one that undergirds American prosperity, security, and civility. We report to the American people that while we can take justifiable pride in what our schools and colleges have historically accomplished and contributed to the United States and the well-being of its people, the educational foundations of our society are presently being eroded by a rising tide of mediocrity that threatens our very future as a Nation and a people. What was unimaginable a generation ago has begun to occur--others are matching and surpassing our educational attainments.

If an unfriendly foreign power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war. As it stands, we have allowed this to happen to ourselves. We have even squandered the gains in student achievement made in the wake of the Sputnik challenge. Moreover, we have dismantled essential support systems which helped make those gains possible. We have, in effect, been committing an act of unthinking, unilateral educational disarmament.

Our society and its educational institutions seem to have lost sight of the basic purposes of schooling, and of the high expectations and disciplined effort needed to attain them. This report, the result of 18 months of study, seeks to generate reform of our educational system in fundamental ways and to renew the Nation's commitment to schools and colleges of high quality throughout the length and breadth of our land.

That we have compromised this commitment is, upon reflection, hardly surprising, given the multitude of often conflicting demands we have placed on our Nation's schools and colleges. They are routinely called on to provide solutions to personal, social, and political problems that the home and other institutions either will not or cannot resolve. We must understand that these demands on our schools and colleges often exact an educational cost as well as a financial one.

http://www2.ed.gov/pubs/NatAtRisk/risk.html
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 17:12     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

Weeks and weeks? My kid had five days of PARCC testing, over two weeks. I guess that's weeks, but it's not weeks and weeks.


No practice tests ahead of time? That's the part that is really disturbing. So many practice tests.




Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 17:11     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:

In my day, standardized testing took one afternoon. Today, it's weeks and weeks of testing disruption.



Weeks and weeks? My kid had five days of PARCC testing, over two weeks. I guess that's weeks, but it's not weeks and weeks.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 17:10     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:

I'm in my mid 50s. I so agree that NCLB was a huge mistake, and Common Core just piles on. Both wrongheadedly try to force students all to be at the same place at the same time -- or else.

I'm also not a conservative -- plenty of liberals hate these standards and all that comes with them.


Could you please quote the part of the Common Core standards that say that everybody must be taught exactly the same thing, regardless of whether they are above grade level, at grade level, or below grade level?

All the Common Core standards say is: this is what you need to be able to do/know in order to be at grade level. If you can already do it, do the Common Core standards require teachers to teach you that anyway? No. If you're nowhere near being able to do it, do the Common Core standards require teachers to teach you that anyway? No.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 17:04     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

You are full of shit. Neither standards nor standardized testing are new, and unless you are 80 years old, they go back a lot farther in school systems than you do.


Not either PP, but I don't think you know how standardized tests were used prior to NCLB. They were used to evaluate and diagnose students performance--not the teachers or the schools. Sure, SATs may have been published and sometimes the results of Stanford Achievement tests--but it was not tied to the evaluation of teachers. NY state and its Regents Tests may have been an exception--but I don't know a lot about those.

You obviously weren't teaching prior to NCLB or you would know this.




Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 17:01     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It was better before NCLB. Why? Because teaching was authentic. It came from the teacher, and teachers felt trusted to do their job instead of surveilled and monitored and punished if some numbers didn't meet expectation. And school wasn't an exploitation of children to perform for nothing but the reputation and job security of teachers, principals, administrators, etc. I moved here from a long stint in another country and witnessed a huge difference in elementary due to NCLB. Here I found kids who were stressed and under pressure to perform due to NCLB, and the teacher and administrator stress and pressure to push and manipulate children throughout the year to do so was visible and palpable. And the kids seemed to have so much less fun learning and being at school than where I was previously. NCLB is a terrible idea, is harmful to the learning experience (and I'm not just talking about time wasted on tests), and a waste of money.


You are full of shit. Neither standards nor standardized testing are new, and unless you are 80 years old, they go back a lot farther in school systems than you do.


In my day, standardized testing took one afternoon. Today, it's weeks and weeks of testing disruption.

Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 17:00     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:It was better before NCLB. Why? Because teaching was authentic. It came from the teacher, and teachers felt trusted to do their job instead of surveilled and monitored and punished if some numbers didn't meet expectation. And school wasn't an exploitation of children to perform for nothing but the reputation and job security of teachers, principals, administrators, etc. I moved here from a long stint in another country and witnessed a huge difference in elementary due to NCLB. Here I found kids who were stressed and under pressure to perform due to NCLB, and the teacher and administrator stress and pressure to push and manipulate children throughout the year to do so was visible and palpable. And the kids seemed to have so much less fun learning and being at school than where I was previously. NCLB is a terrible idea, is harmful to the learning experience (and I'm not just talking about time wasted on tests), and a waste of money.


I'm in my mid 50s. I so agree that NCLB was a huge mistake, and Common Core just piles on. Both wrongheadedly try to force students all to be at the same place at the same time -- or else.

I'm also not a conservative -- plenty of liberals hate these standards and all that comes with them.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 16:44     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:It was better before NCLB. Why? Because teaching was authentic. It came from the teacher, and teachers felt trusted to do their job instead of surveilled and monitored and punished if some numbers didn't meet expectation. And school wasn't an exploitation of children to perform for nothing but the reputation and job security of teachers, principals, administrators, etc. I moved here from a long stint in another country and witnessed a huge difference in elementary due to NCLB. Here I found kids who were stressed and under pressure to perform due to NCLB, and the teacher and administrator stress and pressure to push and manipulate children throughout the year to do so was visible and palpable. And the kids seemed to have so much less fun learning and being at school than where I was previously. NCLB is a terrible idea, is harmful to the learning experience (and I'm not just talking about time wasted on tests), and a waste of money.


You are full of shit. Neither standards nor standardized testing are new, and unless you are 80 years old, they go back a lot farther in school systems than you do.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2015 16:40     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:^^ I forgot to add. I'm not a Republican in case someone assumes my complaint is politically grounded.


OF COURSE YOU ARE. The Tea Party is following the Koch propaganda to oppose NCLB and Common Core. You view it as "ObamaCare for Education"

There was no doubt in anyone's mind.