Anonymous wrote:Question authority- Why did more counselors not get the kids out once water started coming in and rising fast? I think at least one counselor did and got her girls out in spite of being told to stay inside.

She was brave, smart, and not afraid to go against the one page posted "safety plan"
that said to remain in place.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

The Eastlands themselves were out walking around the grounds hours before the flash flood hit, worried about their canoes and other equipment. I think it's safe to assume that if they had alerted the girls in the cabins at that time, they could have made it to safety in just a few minutes.

Hindsight is 20/20.

It does not take 20/20 hindsight to know that with a 2 hour window of time, you don't leave 8 year olds in cabins with flat ceilings, no rafters, no bunkbeds, and located in a known flood area close to the river instead of getting them up a nearby hill to safety.

Question authority- Why did more counselors not get the kids out once water started coming in and rising fast? I think at least one counselor did and got her girls out in spite of being told to stay inside.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

The Eastlands themselves were out walking around the grounds hours before the flash flood hit, worried about their canoes and other equipment. I think it's safe to assume that if they had alerted the girls in the cabins at that time, they could have made it to safety in just a few minutes.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Not good enough. They could have walked up a hill like all the cabins that survived. “Oops! Oh well!” isn’t going to cut it.

Cut it? What are you even talking about. We'll see if/when there are criminal charges. Until then you'll just have to cope.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

I truly DGAF about the camp -- it can stay closed.

That doesn't change the fact that you weren't there. You don't know more than families who were actually there. It's ridiculous for you to claim otherwise. They made a different decision than you think you would make in that situation.

I don't understand why you are so intent on tearing down these families.

May I point out, ma'am, that none of the "families" were actually there, either. If they were, I bet they wouldn't have let their daughter drown.

Anonymous wrote:I watched some of the second day of hearings. These are the takeaways I have:
(1) Teach your kids to listen to their instincts, Get out and self advocate. If the water is rising quickly get to higher ground. There was a DC train (metro?) where there told people not to evacuate with smoke / fire but help did not come in a timely manner. Person who had been trained to self advocate got himself and other people on his car out of the train/ tunnel safely.
(2). The value of training for fire, active shooter is important activity. One of the parents started a non-profit and has developed best practices for camps. Something that many of us did know was needed, especially for sleep away camps.
(3) 'Look for the helpers.' Remind your kids this, they are not alone.

Other things we can learn from this tragedy? I think I had heard when this first happened that there was funding provided by Biden administration for installing early warning detection for that river, which money was not used and likely returned to the river. So let's learn not cut off our noses to spite our face. We have become so polarized politically that we need to be careful and say is this valuable input?

You are talking about EIGHT YEAR OLD GIRLS who were TOLD by adults to stay in their cabins. Your Metro scenario is completely ridiculous as an analogy.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

The Eastlands themselves were out walking around the grounds hours before the flash flood hit, worried about their canoes and other equipment. I think it's safe to assume that if they had alerted the girls in the cabins at that time, they could have made it to safety in just a few minutes.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Not good enough. They could have walked up a hill like all the cabins that survived. “Oops! Oh well!” isn’t going to cut it.

Anonymous wrote:I watched some of the second day of hearings. These are the takeaways I have:
(1) Teach your kids to listen to their instincts, Get out and self advocate. If the water is rising quickly get to higher ground. There was a DC train (metro?) where there told people not to evacuate with smoke / fire but help did not come in a timely manner. Person who had been trained to self advocate got himself and other people on his car out of the train/ tunnel safely.
(2). The value of training for fire, active shooter is important activity. One of the parents started a non-profit and has developed best practices for camps. Something that many of us did know was needed, especially for sleep away camps.
(3) 'Look for the helpers.' Remind your kids this, they are not alone.

Other things we can learn from this tragedy? I think I had heard when this first happened that there was funding provided by Biden administration for installing early warning detection for that river, which money was not used and likely returned to the river. So let's learn not cut off our noses to spite our face. We have become so polarized politically that we need to be careful and say is this valuable input?

The did not take the money from the Biden Administration because it would've required the localities to pay for on-going maintenance after the federal government covered the installation.

Low- / no-tax orthodoxy and "self reliance" myths are a self-sabotaging disease.

I watched some of the second day of hearings. These are the takeaways I have:
(1) Teach your kids to listen to their instincts, Get out and self advocate. If the water is rising quickly get to higher ground. There was a DC train (metro?) where there told people not to evacuate with smoke / fire but help did not come in a timely manner. Person who had been trained to self advocate got himself and other people on his car out of the train/ tunnel safely.
(2). The value of training for fire, active shooter is important activity. One of the parents started a non-profit and has developed best practices for camps. Something that many of us did know was needed, especially for sleep away camps.
(3) 'Look for the helpers.' Remind your kids this, they are not alone.

Other things we can learn from this tragedy? I think I had heard when this first happened that there was funding provided by Biden administration for installing early warning detection for that river, which money was not used and likely returned to the river. So let's learn not cut off our noses to spite our face. We have become so polarized politically that we need to be careful and say is this valuable input?

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

I truly DGAF about the camp -- it can stay closed.

That doesn't change the fact that you weren't there. You don't know more than families who were actually there. It's ridiculous for you to claim otherwise. They made a different decision than you think you would make in that situation.

I don't understand why you are so intent on tearing down these families.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

The Eastlands themselves were out walking around the grounds hours before the flash flood hit, worried about their canoes and other equipment. I think it's safe to assume that if they had alerted the girls in the cabins at that time, they could have made it to safety in just a few minutes.

Hindsight is 20/20.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

The Eastlands themselves were out walking around the grounds hours before the flash flood hit, worried about their canoes and other equipment. I think it's safe to assume that if they had alerted the girls in the cabins at that time, they could have made it to safety in just a few minutes.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

+1000. It all comes down to this.

If they are smart (big if; no track record displaying that they are), the Eastlands will sell the camp and it will reopen in 3 to 5 years with a new name and completely new branding. This tragedy will never go away and will be associated with the Mystic name for many years to come.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.