Anonymous wrote:Buttigieg brings a spark. A certain je nais se qua.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be honest, straight white male from a southern state. Jimmy Carter/Bill Clinton but not dead.

At the moment, the illinois governor is probably the best option.

not gay
not jewish
not a woman
not of color
not a coastal elite, just midwestern elite but track record of executive leadership and governance.

Andy Beshear checks all these boxes.

He has been my first choice the last two cycles, but for some reason, he isn't catching on.

Only slightly more charisma than Vance.

That’s fine. Beshear doesn’t need to lead a cult of personality. He’s competent, compassionate, and has a record of success, none of which apply to Vance, who is just another lying MAGA grifter.

Anonymous wrote:Let's be honest, straight white male from a southern state. Jimmy Carter/Bill Clinton but not dead.

At the moment, the illinois governor is probably the best option.

not gay
not jewish
not a woman
not of color
not a coastal elite, just midwestern elite but track record of executive leadership and governance.

Anonymous wrote:Nationalistic

Focuses on US workers first. Screw
The urban elite

Will win every time

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone knowledgable about Illinois weigh in on Pritzger?

I've been in the "Illinois is an economic disaster" camp, and basically ruled out Pritzger because of that baggage. But I tuned into r/Illinois (which does skew young and left) and they seem to really like him. In particular, the consensus is that the Illinois pension liability issue exploded under previous governors, and Pritzger has been working diligently to whittle it down (although it remains a long term problem).

So, is there a counter-narrative to the "Illinois disaster" narrative that supports Pritzger?

Pritzker is a very competent governor. He's quick on his feet. He's empathetic. He's good on a stage. His biggest problem is that he was a born a billionaire. And once people start digging into the Hyatt Hotels fortune and where Pritzker invests his billions and how he avoids taxes, people will see that he is completely unrelatable. It does not help that his cousin, Thomas Pritzker, is closely linked to Epstein and just resigned as Executive Chairman of Hyatt. Plus, it is clear that a lot of progressives won't for anyone Jewish. So I don't think Gov Pritzker is viable at this moment in time. There is zero demand for yet another billionaire with any kind of links to Epstein, indirect or otherwise.

His state is in shambles. Is he competent?

Why, specifically, is Illinois in shambles? The only big issue I’m aware of is the pension crisis which has it origins going back fifty years. Oh, and lack of soybean exports to China thanks to Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden destroyed the brand of the Democratic Party. So many traditional democrats fled the party under Biden's leadership - young people, latinos, suburban women, etc. Biden was wrong and/or incompetent about nearly every issue that people cared about - illegal immigration, crime, race-based hiring, schools, gender, disdain for the working class, inflation, and on and on. Biden's failure as a president is what led to Trump's reelection. He was a disaster for America.

And yet some here are likening him to Jimmy Carter. I had hope for Biden. I supported his election, but the “I don’t know if I have the authority to enforce immigration based on law” schtick really got to me. And the sudden turn about on the question at the very end … WTH? It showed him to be a very weak leader. It makes me so disappointed.

I hoped and prayed for Biden after he was nominated in 2020 but I didn't support his nomination in 2020 knowing that Biden, as the inevitably unpopular sitting Dem POTUS, would guarantee the GOP winning The White House back in 2024 while MAGA still had a heartbeat.

I’m tired of talking about the last President. Isn’t this thread about looking forward to 2028?

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Anonymous wrote:Biden destroyed the brand of the Democratic Party. So many traditional democrats fled the party under Biden's leadership - young people, latinos, suburban women, etc. Biden was wrong and/or incompetent about nearly every issue that people cared about - illegal immigration, crime, race-based hiring, schools, gender, disdain for the working class, inflation, and on and on. Biden's failure as a president is what led to Trump's reelection. He was a disaster for America.

And yet some here are likening him to Jimmy Carter. I had hope for Biden. I supported his election, but the “I don’t know if I have the authority to enforce immigration based on law” schtick really got to me. And the sudden turn about on the question at the very end … WTH? It showed him to be a very weak leader. It makes me so disappointed.

I hoped and prayed for Biden after he was nominated in 2020 but I didn't support his nomination in 2020 knowing that Biden, as the inevitably unpopular sitting Dem POTUS, would guarantee the GOP winning The White House back in 2024 while MAGA still had a heartbeat.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden destroyed the brand of the Democratic Party. So many traditional democrats fled the party under Biden's leadership - young people, latinos, suburban women, etc. Biden was wrong and/or incompetent about nearly every issue that people cared about - illegal immigration, crime, race-based hiring, schools, gender, disdain for the working class, inflation, and on and on. Biden's failure as a president is what led to Trump's reelection. He was a disaster for America.

And yet some here are likening him to Jimmy Carter. I had hope for Biden. I supported his election, but the “I don’t know if I have the authority to enforce immigration based on law” schtick really got to me. And the sudden turn about on the question at the very end … WTH? It showed him to be a very weak leader. It makes me so disappointed.

Anonymous wrote:Biden destroyed the brand of the Democratic Party. So many traditional democrats fled the party under Biden's leadership - young people, latinos, suburban women, etc. Biden was wrong and/or incompetent about nearly every issue that people cared about - illegal immigration, crime, race-based hiring, schools, gender, disdain for the working class, inflation, and on and on. Biden's failure as a president is what led to Trump's reelection. He was a disaster for America.

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Anonymous wrote:"Trump and Biden are literally the two worst presidents in the history of the United States...."

If you seriously think Trump and Biden are worse than:

Franklin Pierce (Profoundly bad at his job)
Zachary Taylor (placeholder POTUS)
Nixon (Watergate)
James Buchanan (let the civil war happen, Dred Scott)
Andrew Johnson (stifled Reconstruction)
WHH (Died in 30 days)

You clearly did not pay attention in history class and should be quiet. Biden will be judged on par with Carter, if I had to guess. Trump will likely go down as the worst modern day POTUS we've had.

DP. I would think Warren Harding would be on this list as well. Trump is basically like Harding 2.0. And how does dying in office make you a bad president?

Biden accomplished very little and let the war in Gaza get out of control.

Biden was the most consequential Democrat we've had in office since LBJ when it comes to domestic policy. He was more Progressive than Obama. You people are nuts.

Agree to some extent but when your final year in office is defined by an unprecedented re-election campaign collapse that gives our worst POTUS ever an easy path to a second term, your presidency becomes a failure.

new poster. Why?

That seems like it has everything to do with the success of the right in using the media. The Republican party has supported more and more fringe, loyalists candidates who are willing to lie or are just cult followers. The more "reasonable" Republicans have retired or left for other fields rather than stand up and fight. And then, credit where credit is due, the party has been incredibly successful at messaging and using the media (from FOX all the way to the Washington Post and the NYT) to sanewash and normalize themselves, while making Biden's presidency look terrible.

And no, he was absolutely not terrible. Let's start with the biggest falsehood: Biden DID NOT HAVE OPEN BORDERS.

This is a perfect example of the success on the part of the right at controlling the narrative. Even average Democrat voters have accepted this falsehood. Of coursem there is a complex reality beneath the lie: globally, migration trends were way up and overwhelming every system everywhere in the world. But here is a simple fact. Biden repatriated/expelled 4.4 million people. More than the deporter-in-chief Obama in one single term. More than any single presidential term in modern history, except for W’s second term - and W's are skewed numbers because they include a huge wave of Mexican single men going back and forth without any court hearings. In other words, one person entering, caught and released five times in one week was counted as FIVE and 80% of Bush's numbers were voluntary.

In sum, the supposedly open border guy deported a historic number of immigrants from a historic number of countries and yet somehow everyone right and left bought the false "open border" story.

Biden was absolutely a failure when it came to border policy. That 4.4 million number you referenced included turn aways at the border and Title 42 enforcement. And, of course that number is high. When he allowed in literally hundreds of thousands EVERY MONTH during his reign of terror, that number is unsurprising. Let's not forget that he actually FLEW MIGRANTS into the US to avoid the optics of the massive number of people entering illegally at the border.

We will be suffering from Biden's horrendous border policies for decades to come. From the gang members he allowed in, to the criminals, to the illegal immigrants who now have CDLs and are causing fatal wrecks.......our country will reap the consequences of his dereliction of duty for years.

Anonymous wrote:Biden destroyed the brand of the Democratic Party. So many traditional democrats fled the party under Biden's leadership - young people, latinos, suburban women, etc. Biden was wrong and/or incompetent about nearly every issue that people cared about - illegal immigration, crime, race-based hiring, schools, gender, disdain for the working class, inflation, and on and on. Biden's failure as a president is what led to Trump's reelection. He was a disaster for America.

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Anonymous wrote:"Trump and Biden are literally the two worst presidents in the history of the United States...."

If you seriously think Trump and Biden are worse than:

Franklin Pierce (Profoundly bad at his job)
Zachary Taylor (placeholder POTUS)
Nixon (Watergate)
James Buchanan (let the civil war happen, Dred Scott)
Andrew Johnson (stifled Reconstruction)
WHH (Died in 30 days)

You clearly did not pay attention in history class and should be quiet. Biden will be judged on par with Carter, if I had to guess. Trump will likely go down as the worst modern day POTUS we've had.

DP. I would think Warren Harding would be on this list as well. Trump is basically like Harding 2.0. And how does dying in office make you a bad president?

Biden accomplished very little and let the war in Gaza get out of control.

Biden was the most consequential Democrat we've had in office since LBJ when it comes to domestic policy. He was more Progressive than Obama. You people are nuts.

Agree to some extent but when your final year in office is defined by an unprecedented re-election campaign collapse that gives our worst POTUS ever an easy path to a second term, your presidency becomes a failure.

new poster. Why?

That seems like it has everything to do with the success of the right in using the media. The Republican party has supported more and more fringe, loyalists candidates who are willing to lie or are just cult followers. The more "reasonable" Republicans have retired or left for other fields rather than stand up and fight. And then, credit where credit is due, the party has been incredibly successful at messaging and using the media (from FOX all the way to the Washington Post and the NYT) to sanewash and normalize themselves, while making Biden's presidency look terrible.

And no, he was absolutely not terrible. Let's start with the biggest falsehood: Biden DID NOT HAVE OPEN BORDERS.

This is a perfect example of the success on the part of the right at controlling the narrative. Even average Democrat voters have accepted this falsehood. Of coursem there is a complex reality beneath the lie: globally, migration trends were way up and overwhelming every system everywhere in the world. But here is a simple fact. Biden repatriated/expelled 4.4 million people. More than the deporter-in-chief Obama in one single term. More than any single presidential term in modern history, except for W’s second term - and W's are skewed numbers because they include a huge wave of Mexican single men going back and forth without any court hearings. In other words, one person entering, caught and released five times in one week was counted as FIVE and 80% of Bush's numbers were voluntary.

In sum, the supposedly open border guy deported a historic number of immigrants from a historic number of countries and yet somehow everyone right and left bought the false "open border" story.

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Anonymous wrote:"Trump and Biden are literally the two worst presidents in the history of the United States...."

If you seriously think Trump and Biden are worse than:

Franklin Pierce (Profoundly bad at his job)
Zachary Taylor (placeholder POTUS)
Nixon (Watergate)
James Buchanan (let the civil war happen, Dred Scott)
Andrew Johnson (stifled Reconstruction)
WHH (Died in 30 days)

You clearly did not pay attention in history class and should be quiet. Biden will be judged on par with Carter, if I had to guess. Trump will likely go down as the worst modern day POTUS we've had.

DP. I would think Warren Harding would be on this list as well. Trump is basically like Harding 2.0. And how does dying in office make you a bad president?

Biden accomplished very little and let the war in Gaza get out of control.

Biden was the most consequential Democrat we've had in office since LBJ when it comes to domestic policy. He was more Progressive than Obama. You people are nuts.

Agree to some extent but when your final year in office is defined by an unprecedented re-election campaign collapse that gives our worst POTUS ever an easy path to a second term, your presidency becomes a failure.

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Anonymous wrote:"Trump and Biden are literally the two worst presidents in the history of the United States...."

If you seriously think Trump and Biden are worse than:

Franklin Pierce (Profoundly bad at his job)
Zachary Taylor (placeholder POTUS)
Nixon (Watergate)
James Buchanan (let the civil war happen, Dred Scott)
Andrew Johnson (stifled Reconstruction)
WHH (Died in 30 days)

You clearly did not pay attention in history class and should be quiet. Biden will be judged on par with Carter, if I had to guess. Trump will likely go down as the worst modern day POTUS we've had.

DP. I would think Warren Harding would be on this list as well. Trump is basically like Harding 2.0. And how does dying in office make you a bad president?

Biden accomplished very little and let the war in Gaza get out of control.

Biden was the most consequential Democrat we've had in office since LBJ when it comes to domestic policy. He was more Progressive than Obama. You people are nuts.