Anonymous wrote:True Crime Garage podcast just dropped a 2 part deep dive…it’s really good.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-garage/id1062418176?i=1000721726377

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Anonymous wrote:I think she jumped. End of story.

I know people say, “But she was HAPPY! She had a new job! She had a new puppy!”

Ok? “Happy” people commit suicide every single day, leaving behind them families in disbelief and shock. I think unless you’ve actually stood on the brink, facing two choices, exhausted from pretending, you can’t understand how someone could be “happy” one moment and dead by their own hands the next.

I agree I have known two people who committed suicide. I saw each of then within one week of their death, and they each seemed relatively happy, with no outward sign of distress.

+1 me too

But she looked happy hours before she went missing. You really think that she spent the night dancing, chatting, smoking with her brother and then 3 hours later chose to jump? With no catalyst? It’s not like she had a phone and could’ve seen her gf cheating or something else that would’ve triggered her.

The catalyst happens long before the act, and in between there's a peace that a decision has been made to do it.
Clearly you have very little first hand experience of people who go through this.

This. People don’t get it. To someone who has been there, it makes sense.

She had made peace with the woman she loved and who she had wronged.

She had spent a final day having fun with her family on a Caribbean island.

She was dosed with liquid courage.

She didn’t leave a note (that we know of, but I don’t trust the father or brother) but the note to her girlfriend had an awful lot of foreshadowing.

This is the most probable thing that happened.

Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. People spotted Natalie Halloway for years after she was killed. Same with so many missing people who were later found dead.

Prostitution was legal at that time in Curaçao which isn’t surprising considering it is a protectorate of the Netherlands. It makes no sense she was sex trafficked to an island of 150,000 people where visa were given to legal prostitutes. Then add there was a very sizeable award for her so people would have been very motivated for her to talk, and other images of the person in the photo the fbi analyzed involved in sex work are missing tattoos. Yellow wasn’t from that island he is from a British colony where English is spoken not the language that is spoken in curaçao. And a female Caucasian jawbone was found on the beach in Aruba which the cruise ship had just left and is nearby. People thought it was Natalee Haloways so it was tested for her dna but not Amy’s.

It's a lot more complicated than you're stating. Trafficking is in fact common but Amy did not fit the profile.
https://www.state.gov/reports/2024-trafficking-in-persons-report/curacao/

That said, I think she fell. Intoxicated accident not suicide.

In Curacao only foreign women are prostitutes and trafficking for the sex trade involved women from Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia, Peru, the Dominican Republic. Curacao is a small country of 150k. An American woman speaking English and not Spanish being trafficked would be an extreme anomaly.

There is zero chance she was somehow kidnapped and trafficked. It is pretty awful that Yellow had his livelihood ruined. So many are so quick to jump on the foreign black guy must have been involved. But no one seems to point out how weird it is that the maga brother is sharing a bed with his sister and the maga dad wrote a 3 page letter to the girlfriend and is sharing a tiny room with her. They were both the last to see her alive. Not hard to imagine them telling Amy she was going to burn in hell for being gay and was going to give the family AIDS.

Honestly you think her family are that stupid?

There's a lot of animus and projecting on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she jumped. End of story.

I know people say, “But she was HAPPY! She had a new job! She had a new puppy!”

Ok? “Happy” people commit suicide every single day, leaving behind them families in disbelief and shock. I think unless you’ve actually stood on the brink, facing two choices, exhausted from pretending, you can’t understand how someone could be “happy” one moment and dead by their own hands the next.

I agree I have known two people who committed suicide. I saw each of then within one week of their death, and they each seemed relatively happy, with no outward sign of distress.

+1 me too

But she looked happy hours before she went missing. You really think that she spent the night dancing, chatting, smoking with her brother and then 3 hours later chose to jump? With no catalyst? It’s not like she had a phone and could’ve seen her gf cheating or something else that would’ve triggered her.

The catalyst happens long before the act, and in between there's a peace that a decision has been made to do it.
Clearly you have very little first hand experience of people who go through this.

This. People don’t get it. To someone who has been there, it makes sense.

She had made peace with the woman she loved and who she had wronged.

She had spent a final day having fun with her family on a Caribbean island.

She was dosed with liquid courage.

She didn’t leave a note (that we know of, but I don’t trust the father or brother) but the note to her girlfriend had an awful lot of foreshadowing.

This is the most probable thing that happened.

Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. People spotted Natalie Halloway for years after she was killed. Same with so many missing people who were later found dead.

Prostitution was legal at that time in Curaçao which isn’t surprising considering it is a protectorate of the Netherlands. It makes no sense she was sex trafficked to an island of 150,000 people where visa were given to legal prostitutes. Then add there was a very sizeable award for her so people would have been very motivated for her to talk, and other images of the person in the photo the fbi analyzed involved in sex work are missing tattoos. Yellow wasn’t from that island he is from a British colony where English is spoken not the language that is spoken in curaçao. And a female Caucasian jawbone was found on the beach in Aruba which the cruise ship had just left and is nearby. People thought it was Natalee Haloways so it was tested for her dna but not Amy’s.

It's a lot more complicated than you're stating. Trafficking is in fact common but Amy did not fit the profile.
https://www.state.gov/reports/2024-trafficking-in-persons-report/curacao/

That said, I think she fell. Intoxicated accident not suicide.

In Curacao only foreign women are prostitutes and trafficking for the sex trade involved women from Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia, Peru, the Dominican Republic. Curacao is a small country of 150k. An American woman speaking English and not Spanish being trafficked would be an extreme anomaly.

There is zero chance she was somehow kidnapped and trafficked. It is pretty awful that Yellow had his livelihood ruined. So many are so quick to jump on the foreign black guy must have been involved. But no one seems to point out how weird it is that the maga brother is sharing a bed with his sister and the maga dad wrote a 3 page letter to the girlfriend and is sharing a tiny room with her. They were both the last to see her alive. Not hard to imagine them telling Amy she was going to burn in hell for being gay and was going to give the family AIDS.

Honestly you think her family are that stupid?

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Anonymous wrote:I think she jumped. End of story.

I know people say, “But she was HAPPY! She had a new job! She had a new puppy!”

Ok? “Happy” people commit suicide every single day, leaving behind them families in disbelief and shock. I think unless you’ve actually stood on the brink, facing two choices, exhausted from pretending, you can’t understand how someone could be “happy” one moment and dead by their own hands the next.

I agree I have known two people who committed suicide. I saw each of then within one week of their death, and they each seemed relatively happy, with no outward sign of distress.

+1 me too

But she looked happy hours before she went missing. You really think that she spent the night dancing, chatting, smoking with her brother and then 3 hours later chose to jump? With no catalyst? It’s not like she had a phone and could’ve seen her gf cheating or something else that would’ve triggered her.

The catalyst happens long before the act, and in between there's a peace that a decision has been made to do it.
Clearly you have very little first hand experience of people who go through this.

This. People don’t get it. To someone who has been there, it makes sense.

She had made peace with the woman she loved and who she had wronged.

She had spent a final day having fun with her family on a Caribbean island.

She was dosed with liquid courage.

She didn’t leave a note (that we know of, but I don’t trust the father or brother) but the note to her girlfriend had an awful lot of foreshadowing.

This is the most probable thing that happened.

Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. People spotted Natalie Halloway for years after she was killed. Same with so many missing people who were later found dead.

Prostitution was legal at that time in Curaçao which isn’t surprising considering it is a protectorate of the Netherlands. It makes no sense she was sex trafficked to an island of 150,000 people where visa were given to legal prostitutes. Then add there was a very sizeable award for her so people would have been very motivated for her to talk, and other images of the person in the photo the fbi analyzed involved in sex work are missing tattoos. Yellow wasn’t from that island he is from a British colony where English is spoken not the language that is spoken in curaçao. And a female Caucasian jawbone was found on the beach in Aruba which the cruise ship had just left and is nearby. People thought it was Natalee Haloways so it was tested for her dna but not Amy’s.

It's a lot more complicated than you're stating. Trafficking is in fact common but Amy did not fit the profile.
https://www.state.gov/reports/2024-trafficking-in-persons-report/curacao/

That said, I think she fell. Intoxicated accident not suicide.

In Curacao only foreign women are prostitutes and trafficking for the sex trade involved women from Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia, Peru, the Dominican Republic. Curacao is a small country of 150k. An American woman speaking English and not Spanish being trafficked would be an extreme anomaly.

There is zero chance she was somehow kidnapped and trafficked. It is pretty awful that Yellow had his livelihood ruined. So many are so quick to jump on the foreign black guy must have been involved. But no one seems to point out how weird it is that the maga brother is sharing a bed with his sister and the maga dad wrote a 3 page letter to the girlfriend and is sharing a tiny room with her. They were both the last to see her alive. Not hard to imagine them telling Amy she was going to burn in hell for being gay and was going to give the family AIDS.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she jumped. End of story.

I know people say, “But she was HAPPY! She had a new job! She had a new puppy!”

Ok? “Happy” people commit suicide every single day, leaving behind them families in disbelief and shock. I think unless you’ve actually stood on the brink, facing two choices, exhausted from pretending, you can’t understand how someone could be “happy” one moment and dead by their own hands the next.

I agree I have known two people who committed suicide. I saw each of then within one week of their death, and they each seemed relatively happy, with no outward sign of distress.

+1 me too

But she looked happy hours before she went missing. You really think that she spent the night dancing, chatting, smoking with her brother and then 3 hours later chose to jump? With no catalyst? It’s not like she had a phone and could’ve seen her gf cheating or something else that would’ve triggered her.

The catalyst happens long before the act, and in between there's a peace that a decision has been made to do it.
Clearly you have very little first hand experience of people who go through this.

This. People don’t get it. To someone who has been there, it makes sense.

She had made peace with the woman she loved and who she had wronged.

She had spent a final day having fun with her family on a Caribbean island.

She was dosed with liquid courage.

She didn’t leave a note (that we know of, but I don’t trust the father or brother) but the note to her girlfriend had an awful lot of foreshadowing.

This is the most probable thing that happened.

Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. People spotted Natalie Halloway for years after she was killed. Same with so many missing people who were later found dead.

Prostitution was legal at that time in Curaçao which isn’t surprising considering it is a protectorate of the Netherlands. It makes no sense she was sex trafficked to an island of 150,000 people where visa were given to legal prostitutes. Then add there was a very sizeable award for her so people would have been very motivated for her to talk, and other images of the person in the photo the fbi analyzed involved in sex work are missing tattoos. Yellow wasn’t from that island he is from a British colony where English is spoken not the language that is spoken in curaçao. And a female Caucasian jawbone was found on the beach in Aruba which the cruise ship had just left and is nearby. People thought it was Natalee Haloways so it was tested for her dna but not Amy’s.

It's a lot more complicated than you're stating. Trafficking is in fact common but Amy did not fit the profile.
https://www.state.gov/reports/2024-trafficking-in-persons-report/curacao/

That said, I think she fell. Intoxicated accident not suicide.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she jumped. End of story.

I know people say, “But she was HAPPY! She had a new job! She had a new puppy!”

Ok? “Happy” people commit suicide every single day, leaving behind them families in disbelief and shock. I think unless you’ve actually stood on the brink, facing two choices, exhausted from pretending, you can’t understand how someone could be “happy” one moment and dead by their own hands the next.

I agree I have known two people who committed suicide. I saw each of then within one week of their death, and they each seemed relatively happy, with no outward sign of distress.

+1 me too

But she looked happy hours before she went missing. You really think that she spent the night dancing, chatting, smoking with her brother and then 3 hours later chose to jump? With no catalyst? It’s not like she had a phone and could’ve seen her gf cheating or something else that would’ve triggered her.

The catalyst happens long before the act, and in between there's a peace that a decision has been made to do it.
Clearly you have very little first hand experience of people who go through this.

This. People don’t get it. To someone who has been there, it makes sense.

She had made peace with the woman she loved and who she had wronged.

She had spent a final day having fun with her family on a Caribbean island.

She was dosed with liquid courage.

She didn’t leave a note (that we know of, but I don’t trust the father or brother) but the note to her girlfriend had an awful lot of foreshadowing.

This is the most probable thing that happened.

Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. People spotted Natalie Halloway for years after she was killed. Same with so many missing people who were later found dead.

Prostitution was legal at that time in Curaçao which isn’t surprising considering it is a protectorate of the Netherlands. It makes no sense she was sex trafficked to an island of 150,000 people where visa were given to legal prostitutes. Then add there was a very sizeable award for her so people would have been very motivated for her to talk, and other images of the person in the photo the fbi analyzed involved in sex work are missing tattoos. Yellow wasn’t from that island he is from a British colony where English is spoken not the language that is spoken in curaçao. And a female Caucasian jawbone was found on the beach in Aruba which the cruise ship had just left and is nearby. People thought it was Natalee Haloways so it was tested for her dna but not Amy’s.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she jumped. End of story.

I know people say, “But she was HAPPY! She had a new job! She had a new puppy!”

Ok? “Happy” people commit suicide every single day, leaving behind them families in disbelief and shock. I think unless you’ve actually stood on the brink, facing two choices, exhausted from pretending, you can’t understand how someone could be “happy” one moment and dead by their own hands the next.

I agree I have known two people who committed suicide. I saw each of then within one week of their death, and they each seemed relatively happy, with no outward sign of distress.

+1 me too

But she looked happy hours before she went missing. You really think that she spent the night dancing, chatting, smoking with her brother and then 3 hours later chose to jump? With no catalyst? It’s not like she had a phone and could’ve seen her gf cheating or something else that would’ve triggered her.

The catalyst happens long before the act, and in between there's a peace that a decision has been made to do it.
Clearly you have very little first hand experience of people who go through this.

This. People don’t get it. To someone who has been there, it makes sense.

She had made peace with the woman she loved and who she had wronged.

She had spent a final day having fun with her family on a Caribbean island.

She was dosed with liquid courage.

She didn’t leave a note (that we know of, but I don’t trust the father or brother) but the note to her girlfriend had an awful lot of foreshadowing.

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Anonymous wrote:She looked really out of it in the video. Dancing way too slow for the beat - everyone else is fast dancing and she’s in her own zone. Doesn’t look drunk to me - more like E.

So what’s your theory? No snark, I’m genuinely curious.

Let’s say she’s drunk and drugged, makes it back to her hotel at 3am or whatever time it was. Smokes with brother, falls asleep on balcony. Dad sees her at 5:30, but by 6 she’s gone.

What happened?

NP but here's a theory I've been building while reading all of these comments (I did watch the Netflix special, but I don't think I watched it as closely as some - it was on in the background while teleworking). I think that Yellow was kind of a generic hustler - maybe sold a little drugs, definitely slept with a bunch of women on the boat, and may have had unsavory connections but I don't think he actively trafficked women off of cruise ships. Like, the suitcase of pictures of white women is strange, but there's no corresponding trail of missing white women from all the cruises he's been on. I think he was keeping mementos of conquests, or possibly conquests + hot women he would show to his friends and pretend that he'd slept with.

I think Amy got drunk at the bar and he gave her some drugs, not slipped it to her but she wanted to take them. Then he said she would have to pay him - this is why she comes back out with him at 6am. She brought money, he says "that's not enough, it's $200 more". She doesn't have that, but he says that she can go to an ATM right on the dock and pay so-and-so who is the guy she really owes, and she drunkenly/stupidly decides to do this quickly rather than wake anyone up, alert her family to the predicament, or try to sneak away from her family while they're on Curacao together (they spent the entire day on Aruba doing pre-planned excursions; likely the same was planned for the next day). But when she gets there either the price keeps going up or she tries to buy more or the ATM isn't where it was supposed to be so he has to drive her to one: I don't know what but something happens that ties her up with the drug dealer on shore, and at this point she's just a thin young white woman who is drunk/high/disoriented/shoeless, so the whole "it's too risky to take an American citizen off a cruise!" angle doesn't really apply. She gets swept into a seedy underworld, hooked on much harder drugs (they could have kept her near catatonic for the first few days until the boat leaves and the furor dies down, then move her to Barbados or something), and is probably dead by 2007/2008.

This lines up with 1) her being seen with Yellow again in the elevator after she went to the room, 2) her being seen by witnesses after the fact at the brothel/on the beach, 3) her being shoeless when she left the room, 4) the railing being too high for an accidental fall for someone her height, and 5) the tie-in to the Caribbean trafficker that has been mentioned. Yellow's polygraph was inconclusive because he didn't want to say he even talked to her later that night, let alone that he was trying to run a scam on her to get money. He could also have been afraid of the people who ended up taking her, if he knew who they were. I think he thought of the whole thing as a light-work shakedown and when it devolved into something worse his reaction both out loud and internally was "this has NOTHING to do with me!"

Okay, going back to keep reading from the point of this comment I'm replying to. Just wanted to write this down before it got away from me (or one of you debunks it before I can say it out loud!).

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Anonymous wrote:She looked really out of it in the video. Dancing way too slow for the beat - everyone else is fast dancing and she’s in her own zone. Doesn’t look drunk to me - more like E.

So what’s your theory? No snark, I’m genuinely curious.

Let’s say she’s drunk and drugged, makes it back to her hotel at 3am or whatever time it was. Smokes with brother, falls asleep on balcony. Dad sees her at 5:30, but by 6 she’s gone.

What happened?

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Anonymous wrote:I think she jumped. End of story.

I know people say, “But she was HAPPY! She had a new job! She had a new puppy!”

Ok? “Happy” people commit suicide every single day, leaving behind them families in disbelief and shock. I think unless you’ve actually stood on the brink, facing two choices, exhausted from pretending, you can’t understand how someone could be “happy” one moment and dead by their own hands the next.

I agree I have known two people who committed suicide. I saw each of then within one week of their death, and they each seemed relatively happy, with no outward sign of distress.

+1 me too

But she looked happy hours before she went missing. You really think that she spent the night dancing, chatting, smoking with her brother and then 3 hours later chose to jump? With no catalyst? It’s not like she had a phone and could’ve seen her gf cheating or something else that would’ve triggered her.

The catalyst happens long before the act, and in between there's a peace that a decision has been made to do it.
Clearly you have very little first hand experience of people who go through this.

Anonymous wrote:IMO in order of likelihood:

1) Fell or jumped overboard
2) Assaulted/killed on ship by Yellow
...Distant 3) Left ship voluntarily to buy drugs, fell into the wrong hands and killed shortly after
4) Kidnapped and trafficked

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Anonymous wrote:I think she jumped. End of story.

I know people say, “But she was HAPPY! She had a new job! She had a new puppy!”

Ok? “Happy” people commit suicide every single day, leaving behind them families in disbelief and shock. I think unless you’ve actually stood on the brink, facing two choices, exhausted from pretending, you can’t understand how someone could be “happy” one moment and dead by their own hands the next.

I agree I have known two people who committed suicide. I saw each of then within one week of their death, and they each seemed relatively happy, with no outward sign of distress.

+1 me too

But she looked happy hours before she went missing. You really think that she spent the night dancing, chatting, smoking with her brother and then 3 hours later chose to jump? With no catalyst? It’s not like she had a phone and could’ve seen her gf cheating or something else that would’ve triggered her.