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Anonymous wrote:I can't wait until the stable geniuses at the helm realize issues like obesity are a much bigger problem they realize and that solutions are going to be highly unpalatable.

RFK: why can't people just eat healthy fresh foods? Are they stupid!??

Country: uhhh Mr. Kennedy, you realize most of us are poor and didn't grow up with a silver spoon in our mouths like you, sir. Fresh foods are extraordinarily more expensive than packaged processed foods.

RFK: ok, then we will make processed foods more expensive than healthier foods to change habits.

It'll be funny when they find out to make junk foods more expensive than good healthy stuff, they will need to significantly cut subsidies to farmers who are making way too much corn and soybeans, which are used to make processes junk at reduced costs. Somehow I think all of those red state reps and senators will get mad when they start proposing cutting farm subsidies to make junk foods more expensive.

Except they actually aren’t that expensive. Ground beef is maybe $5 per pound on average. A dozen eggs are conservatively $4 a dozen. Butter is cheap. A pound of ground beef, 4 eggs, 4 tablespoons of butter gets you 1700 “calories” (which are a stupid measure of energy) per day at a daily cost of under $7.50 per day, which is $225 per person ina. 30-day month.

Anonymous wrote:I can't wait until the stable geniuses at the helm realize issues like obesity are a much bigger problem they realize and that solutions are going to be highly unpalatable.

RFK: why can't people just eat healthy fresh foods? Are they stupid!??

Country: uhhh Mr. Kennedy, you realize most of us are poor and didn't grow up with a silver spoon in our mouths like you, sir. Fresh foods are extraordinarily more expensive than packaged processed foods.

RFK: ok, then we will make processed foods more expensive than healthier foods to change habits.

It'll be funny when they find out to make junk foods more expensive than good healthy stuff, they will need to significantly cut subsidies to farmers who are making way too much corn and soybeans, which are used to make processes junk at reduced costs. Somehow I think all of those red state reps and senators will get mad when they start proposing cutting farm subsidies to make junk foods more expensive.

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Anonymous wrote:As a long time healthy volunteer at NIH and the VRC, vaccines only started full double blinded placedo testing in 2018 after RFK sued. Fun fact, the Covid phase 1 testing cut corners.

You have a link that shows this?

Does a researcher and nurse at the vrc who verbally told me they sped up the study count?

Stop spreading disinformation based on hearsay. This is stupid. Of course timelines were accelerated. But the trials were double-blinded and placebo-contolled. It's all in the public record. You can see the study designs yourself in ClinicalTrials.gov.

And while you're looking at the Pfizer one, note that the vaccine group had more total deaths than the control.

You realize this was published in NEJM, and this is not true. See the supplementary tables. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577#supplementary-materials

And I should add- although there were more deaths in the placebo group, it did not come close to reaching statistical significance.

Pfizer's six month trial report: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.full-text

"During the blinded, controlled period, 15 BNT162b2 and 14 placebo recipients died; during the open-label period, 3 BNT162b2 and 2 original placebo recipients who received BNT162b2 after unblinding died. None of these deaths were considered related to BNT162b2 by investigators. Causes of death were balanced between BNT162b2 and placebo groups (Table S4)."

Then based on these data, they tried to impose this vaccine on 200+ million workers and told you the world would end if people didn't take it. That's what experts did.

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Anonymous wrote:As a long time healthy volunteer at NIH and the VRC, vaccines only started full double blinded placedo testing in 2018 after RFK sued. Fun fact, the Covid phase 1 testing cut corners.

You have a link that shows this?

Does a researcher and nurse at the vrc who verbally told me they sped up the study count?

Stop spreading disinformation based on hearsay. This is stupid. Of course timelines were accelerated. But the trials were double-blinded and placebo-contolled. It's all in the public record. You can see the study designs yourself in ClinicalTrials.gov.

And while you're looking at the Pfizer one, note that the vaccine group had more total deaths than the control.

You realize this was published in NEJM, and this is not true. See the supplementary tables. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577#supplementary-materials

And I should add- although there were more deaths in the placebo group, it did not come close to reaching statistical significance.

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Anonymous wrote:Whenever Trumpers applaud these ludicrous picks it makes it blatantly obvious they have no concern for the country.

All the MAGA people say "liberals' heads are exploding!" and laugh or revel over the hysteria. They never commend the pick for their credentials. They are completely blind to the fact that these people are dangerous and will endanger our lives and those of our children.

Not my kids. If we need to go to Canada and pay out of pocket to vaccinate, that’s what we do. Because we can afford to. Can’t do anyth8ng about dead MAGA kids.

You realize vaccines will still be available here for anyone who wants them, right? But do continue making up dystopian scenarios to feed your delusions.
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PP is having a hysterical moment. Nothing said here about mass deaths and vaccines is remotely realistic. People are mentioning diseases like Typhus and Ebola which aren't a part of the standard vaccination schedule anyway. It's a freak out. Just like the stupid "winter of death" threats from Biden when uptake of Covid vaccines had declined and it became obvious that Covid unvaxxed are not going to take the shot even despite all the mandates and vaxxports and horrible denigrating propaganda from mainstream media and celebrities. While it's entirely possible that childhood vaccination schedule will be revised and it would be very easy to opt out of any vaccinations, it doesn't mean that they won't be available to those who want them or not covered by insurance.

Vaccination programs become fairly ineffective when too many people don’t take them. You know this.

If they prevent infection how are they ineffective? Your vaccine should protect you if it works.. Plus there are treatments too. Are these diseases we are over-vaccinating our kids for (no other country has so many shots) a major concern or do we have other major health concerns now?

No vaccine prevents infection 100% of the time across the entire population. But if fewer people are vaccinated, more people become sick and in turn have an opportunity to spread the sickness to others, including the people unfortunate enough to not gain sufficient immunity despite being vaccinated. More spread also means the pathogen has more opportunity to evolve and circumvent an existing vaccine.

Also, the diseases “aren’t a major” concern because we’re vaccinating. If we stop, they’ll become a major concern again.

Do you believe vaccinated can transmit asymptomatically? Because this is what we were conditioned to accept during Covid times. If you are doubting effectiveness of any vaccine to stop infection then you admit that vaccinated can also transmit and infect others, and this means that they only provide personal protection at most. So, again, if you have a choice to take your vaccine isn't it all you need?

It’s not either or. Vaccines reduce transmission even when they don’t prevent it entirely. I think you know that.

Are you trying to bully me into "knowing that" (e.g. agreeing with you)? No, I don't know that. There is enough room for reasonable doubt especially after the Covid "asymptomatic" spread lockdowns.

NP here. Clearly, you don't know much. Please pick up a science textbook.

"Science textbook". If your understanding of this subject matter comes from the "science textbook", I am done wasting my time Or maybe you can tell us since you are so "educated" what techniques are used to identify and sequence viruses, and how fragile RNA is produced in quantities for the vaccines or even how our regular vaccines are produced and what's in them.

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Anonymous wrote:No need to wait for RFK jR in order to eat healthy. You can do that today, but people love crap food and drinks.

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Anonymous wrote:Whenever Trumpers applaud these ludicrous picks it makes it blatantly obvious they have no concern for the country.

All the MAGA people say "liberals' heads are exploding!" and laugh or revel over the hysteria. They never commend the pick for their credentials. They are completely blind to the fact that these people are dangerous and will endanger our lives and those of our children.

Not my kids. If we need to go to Canada and pay out of pocket to vaccinate, that’s what we do. Because we can afford to. Can’t do anyth8ng about dead MAGA kids.

You realize vaccines will still be available here for anyone who wants them, right? But do continue making up dystopian scenarios to feed your delusions.
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PP is having a hysterical moment. Nothing said here about mass deaths and vaccines is remotely realistic. People are mentioning diseases like Typhus and Ebola which aren't a part of the standard vaccination schedule anyway. It's a freak out. Just like the stupid "winter of death" threats from Biden when uptake of Covid vaccines had declined and it became obvious that Covid unvaxxed are not going to take the shot even despite all the mandates and vaxxports and horrible denigrating propaganda from mainstream media and celebrities. While it's entirely possible that childhood vaccination schedule will be revised and it would be very easy to opt out of any vaccinations, it doesn't mean that they won't be available to those who want them or not covered by insurance.

Vaccination programs become fairly ineffective when too many people don’t take them. You know this.

If they prevent infection how are they ineffective? Your vaccine should protect you if it works.. Plus there are treatments too. Are these diseases we are over-vaccinating our kids for (no other country has so many shots) a major concern or do we have other major health concerns now?

No vaccine prevents infection 100% of the time across the entire population. But if fewer people are vaccinated, more people become sick and in turn have an opportunity to spread the sickness to others, including the people unfortunate enough to not gain sufficient immunity despite being vaccinated. More spread also means the pathogen has more opportunity to evolve and circumvent an existing vaccine.

Also, the diseases “aren’t a major” concern because we’re vaccinating. If we stop, they’ll become a major concern again.

Do you believe vaccinated can transmit asymptomatically? Because this is what we were conditioned to accept during Covid times. If you are doubting effectiveness of any vaccine to stop infection then you admit that vaccinated can also transmit and infect others, and this means that they only provide personal protection at most. So, again, if you have a choice to take your vaccine isn't it all you need?

It’s not either or. Vaccines reduce transmission even when they don’t prevent it entirely. I think you know that.

Are you trying to bully me into "knowing that" (e.g. agreeing with you)? No, I don't know that. There is enough room for reasonable doubt especially after the Covid "asymptomatic" spread lockdowns.

NP here. Clearly, you don't know much. Please pick up a science textbook.

"Science textbook". If your understanding of this subject matter comes from the "science textbook", I am done wasting my time Or maybe you can tell us since you are so "educated" what techniques are used to identify and sequence viruses, and how fragile RNA is produced in quantities for the vaccines or even how our regular vaccines are produced and what's in them.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m ok with RFK because I’m so tired of the arrogance of medical professionals telling me what to take, requiring doctors visits, etc. Stop telling me to not do ADHD or weight loss drugs because it’s weak. If there’s a medical reason to not do them, great. But many doctors are so judgmental.

Goddamn those scientists and doctors who know more about science and medicine than me! The Google and WebMD told me about how to treat my condition, therefore I know more than them.

Yes, stick it to all those “experts”

Experts are still people at the end of the day. They have biases, blindspots, and many are not nearly as intelligent as you might hope. Many are simply closed off to new information, hence the quote: "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it ..."

Then you have to factor in institutional capture and self interest...

Experts haven't exactly been covering themselves in glory of late. Why should we defer to them when it’s so easy to poke holes in their orthodoxy?

Experts have been doing just fine. The frequency of people disagreeing with them on the basis of no evidence has increased, though. This is because a certain person repeatedly sought to benefit himself politically by telling everyone not to trust those experts.

Trump told people to ignore all COVID safety measures so he wouldn’t be stuck with a bad economy in October 2020. Now his voters think they shouldn’t trust the vaccines that make you safer from COVID. It’s that simple.

The reason you all think ivermectin is a miracle cure for COVID is, again, because Trump wanted a way to keep people from staying inside so the economy didn’t sputter. Now you all take horse dewormer for the disease you also claim isn’t a big deal but was created by the Chinese military and Anthony Fauci.

But it’s the experts’ fault you don’t trust basic science.

Let's keep in mind that during Covid we shut down schools, churches, parks and gyms but kept liquor stores open on the recommendations of experts. That's just the tip of the iceberg of Covid absurdities from the experts btw.

So you have nothing to refute the argument that Donald Trump purposefully sowed mistrust of public health expertise for political gain.

Ever heard of Great Barrington declaration? These were scientists and researchers and leaders in the field as well, they just happened to disagree with the mainstream narrative on Covid measures. It's not Trump magically sowing discord in your imagined universe where every expert or educated person in the field unanimously agreed with the "science" and especially "changing science" to focus more on social engineering than on actual mitigation and treatments of whatever was going on.

Haha, you are cuckoo and so was the "Great Barrington Declaration".

"After gaining some publicity, this strategy was strongly denounced by many in the scientific community. While it supposedly received 8,000 signatures from public health experts and doctors, news outlets later revealed that some of those signatures were fake.

The declaration was supported by the American Institute for Economic Research, a libertarian, free-market think tank headquartered in western Massachusetts, known for its attacks on climate change."

Jay Bhattacharya, MD, PhD - one of the three people behind the declaration:
Bhattacharya is a former research fellow at the Hoover Institution, a conservative think tank at Stanford where Scott Atlas, MD, of the White House coronavirus task force, was (and still is) a senior research fellow.

So, yes, it was heavily conservative/right-wing influenced and they took it to the White House (Trump) and the White House endorsed it.

Come on, now.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s true! We are a disgusting sloppy, crap eating drug using mess of a country. I live RFK’s ideas but no way will he actually be able to change anything if he’s even confirmed. The lobby is too big and the damage is too deep.

+1 people could stop eating like crap this very second and start doing light exercise but they won’t. Im more concerned about drug abuse and mental health more than anything and I hope he focuses on that more than the food.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m ok with RFK because I’m so tired of the arrogance of medical professionals telling me what to take, requiring doctors visits, etc. Stop telling me to not do ADHD or weight loss drugs because it’s weak. If there’s a medical reason to not do them, great. But many doctors are so judgmental.

Goddamn those scientists and doctors who know more about science and medicine than me! The Google and WebMD told me about how to treat my condition, therefore I know more than them.

Yes, stick it to all those “experts”

Experts are still people at the end of the day. They have biases, blindspots, and many are not nearly as intelligent as you might hope. Many are simply closed off to new information, hence the quote: "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it ..."

Then you have to factor in institutional capture and self interest...

Experts haven't exactly been covering themselves in glory of late. Why should we defer to them when it’s so easy to poke holes in their orthodoxy?

Experts have been doing just fine. The frequency of people disagreeing with them on the basis of no evidence has increased, though. This is because a certain person repeatedly sought to benefit himself politically by telling everyone not to trust those experts.

Trump told people to ignore all COVID safety measures so he wouldn’t be stuck with a bad economy in October 2020. Now his voters think they shouldn’t trust the vaccines that make you safer from COVID. It’s that simple.

The reason you all think ivermectin is a miracle cure for COVID is, again, because Trump wanted a way to keep people from staying inside so the economy didn’t sputter. Now you all take horse dewormer for the disease you also claim isn’t a big deal but was created by the Chinese military and Anthony Fauci.

But it’s the experts’ fault you don’t trust basic science.

Let's keep in mind that during Covid we shut down schools, churches, parks and gyms but kept liquor stores open on the recommendations of experts. That's just the tip of the iceberg of Covid absurdities from the experts btw.

So you have nothing to refute the argument that Donald Trump purposefully sowed mistrust of public health expertise for political gain.

Ever heard of Great Barrington declaration? These were scientists and researchers and leaders in the field as well, they just happened to disagree with the mainstream narrative on Covid measures. It's not Trump magically sowing discord in your imagined universe where every expert or educated person in the field unanimously agreed with the "science" and especially "changing science" to focus more on social engineering than on actual mitigation and treatments of whatever was going on.

Anonymous wrote:I mean I already eat a good diet - but I hope people are prepared for how expensive food is going to get without fertilizer, preservatives, and pesticides.

Factory farming is an abomination in every way and if Brain Worm Jr can put an end to it I guess I'll take a few more measles deaths for that. Guess what gets more expensive without factory farming? Yeah, meat. As a vegetarian that's fine with me, of course.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans are sicker and unhealthier than any other major country because we don't have universal health care, unlike every other major country.

Exactly.
Increase healthcare access, decrease work hours (encourage an hour break during work for exercise time), drastically improve funding for school lunches so they can provide quality foods, teach cooking in schools so people have that skill, and that can go a long way in improving health.

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When I was in school, we had lunch ladies who actually cooked the food. Most of it anyway. Why was that done away with?!

Also we (all students) had Home Economics in high school- which involved teaching about cooking, meal planning, budgeting etc. It was either for a semester or a full year not sure. Why was that gotten rid of?

Not saying either of things are perfect either- but a vast improvement to what is occurring now.

You would have to staff more cafeteria staff for longer hours and higher food costs than the prepackaged we have now.

There is nothing wrong with more staff working 8 hour days, and I think food costs to quality would be a wash. What you need is to pay top dollar to higher a head chef to run the kitchens efficiently and effectively (good food!) and you only need 1 at each school.

Well, let’s see how Elon and Vivek price this out.

Anonymous wrote:The following statement by RFK Junior should be enough to disqualify him from heading the HHS. Don’t want to hear any excuses for him. He said it and he meant it.

“There is NO vaccine that is safe and effective.”