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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance says school shootings are just a fact of life.

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I vehemently disagree with Vance. He says school shooting are a fact of life. He doesn't like it that they are, but he believes that they are just a fact of life. I no more believe that school shootings are a fact of life that we have the accept than Republicans believed that abortion was a fact of life that we had to accept.

Just like the anti-abortion faction felt about RvW, I believe that Heller was wrongly decided and that the SCOTUS should overturn Heller. It was a very, very partisanly decided ruling that was supported by ethically questionable NRA support. But Heller needs to be overturned. I don't believe that the right to bear arms should include military grade weapons like hand grenades, anti-aircraft weaponry, anti-tank weapons, and semi-automatic fire weapons. I believe that everyone has a right to weapons for hunting, defense and security, but that there is not a need for the weapons designed to kill a large number of people in a short period of time. Those are weapons of war and not appropriate for use in public.

But as long as the wrongfully decided Heller ruling is on our books, we are not going to be able to pass legitimate and necessary gun controls laws that will protect our citizenry, children, and public. So, school shootings are only a fact of life because of an wrongly decided SCOTUS ruling and a crazy extreme lobbying group, the NRA.

We need to vote so that when our geriatric SCOTUS members finally retire or pass, that they will be replaced by a President who will appoint thoughtful jurists who will recognize the need to ignore the NRA and overturn the wrongfully decided Heller decision. And Trump and Vance are NOT it.

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Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

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This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

No it's not and who knows what kind of dysfunction she had to live through herself. HOWEVER, the fact that her kid went and shot up a school, she's under the microscope now.

The tragedy is that she and her husband as parents, failed their kid. That is a fact as their kid caused harm to society that's unforgiveable. She needs to be punished for that. Bad parenting is one thing, drug addict is one thing - your kid who you raised taking a gun and firing into a classroom killing folks? That's a whole other thing!

She is as responsible/irresponsible as the dad.

Apparently Gray had a Tik Tok account and people took screen shots and recordings before it went dark. You can find some of them on twitter. Things posted even back in 2023 that are disturbing, involving g@ns, violence, etc. There were signs beyond the FBI investigation.

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Anonymous wrote:They weren't *that* poor. Guns and ammo cost money.

They had recently been evicted. Money mismanagement I guess???

Neighbors and former landlord have spoken to the press. Seems like the mother was a complete nightmare: locking kids out of the house for hours (with kids banging on door to get back in), mother driving up and down street drunk, mother passed out in driveway or on front lawn with car running and music blaring, mother screaming. Father seemed to not be much of a problem but also seemed to stand by while wife did all this. Mother recently arrested for beating and tying up her own elderly mother.

Maybe Grandma was refusing to provide the free child care JD said she should

The village failed these kids. And of course the idiot Father who bought his troubled son a gun for Christmas even after he had threatened to shoot up a school. Both will go to jail, people will be satisfied that justice was served and the system that makes guns very easy to access and failed to help these kids will not change and there will be more school shootings and tiny coffins in a few weeks.

From interviews I read with neighbors, it seems like child protective services really failed these kids (unless there is more we don't know which there could be). Neighbors said they called CPS several times to report the mother over a 2 year period. And that the kid in question was never at school, he had chronic absenteeism, and would wander around the neighborhood and woods all day. Where were the school and CPS?

CPS is understaffed and underfunded and foster care is not ideal, there aren’t enough foster families. It takes a lot for a child to be taken out of a home.

+1 I hate that every time one of these shootings occur that people rush to blame the people and institutions around the kid that aren't easy to change. Republicans don't want gun control, but they don't want to pay for more social services or child services or mental health services. So we are where we are.

They literally don't want solutions and the only solutions they propose are useless and ineffective.

Popehat: "It’s time for the GOP’s periodic game of 'teachers are communist groomers indoctrinating our children to be godless anti-American transsexuals and we should arm them.'"

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Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

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This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

He’s being charged with cruelty to children related to the 8 children his son shot with the gun he bought his son. It has nothing to do with his wife.

My question/thought/etc. is that the mother is still in that house, allowed the gun purchase, put up with it, kept it in the house, all of that. I know he purchased the gun, but they both had it in the house.

The mother was not allowed to contact the father directly and had to go through an intermediary so I doubt she was in the house.

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Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

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This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

He’s being charged with cruelty to children related to the 8 children his son shot with the gun he bought his son. It has nothing to do with his wife.

My question/thought/etc. is that the mother is still in that house, allowed the gun purchase, put up with it, kept it in the house, all of that. I know he purchased the gun, but they both had it in the house.

No. What you said above is false. They were separated. There is so much misinformation in this whole thread an then posters here just start spiraling on the wrong information.

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Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

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This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

He’s being charged with cruelty to children related to the 8 children his son shot with the gun he bought his son. It has nothing to do with his wife.

My question/thought/etc. is that the mother is still in that house, allowed the gun purchase, put up with it, kept it in the house, all of that. I know he purchased the gun, but they both had it in the house.

It doesn’t sound like the mom is around or she’s in and out. If they can’t prove that she new about the FBI interview or the gun purchase which she probably can’t buy with her criminal record.

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Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

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This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

The charges may be for cruelty to the children his child murdered.

I wonder if this could pave the way to a precedent for the right of safety being equal to or greater than the right to gun ownership. I've wondered if this is the right way to fight the reluctance of politicians to protect children WHO CANNOT VOTE.

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Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

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This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

He’s being charged with cruelty to children related to the 8 children his son shot with the gun he bought his son. It has nothing to do with his wife.

My question/thought/etc. is that the mother is still in that house, allowed the gun purchase, put up with it, kept it in the house, all of that. I know he purchased the gun, but they both had it in the house.

Gun for Christmas?

Happy birthday, Jesus! In your honor, I'm giving my son a tool for killing people.

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Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

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This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

The charges may be for cruelty to the children his child murdered.

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Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

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This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

He’s being charged with cruelty to children related to the 8 children his son shot with the gun he bought his son. It has nothing to do with his wife.

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Anonymous wrote:They weren't *that* poor. Guns and ammo cost money.

They had recently been evicted. Money mismanagement I guess???

Neighbors and former landlord have spoken to the press. Seems like the mother was a complete nightmare: locking kids out of the house for hours (with kids banging on door to get back in), mother driving up and down street drunk, mother passed out in driveway or on front lawn with car running and music blaring, mother screaming. Father seemed to not be much of a problem but also seemed to stand by while wife did all this. Mother recently arrested for beating and tying up her own elderly mother.

Maybe Grandma was refusing to provide the free child care JD said she should

The village failed these kids. And of course the idiot Father who bought his troubled son a gun for Christmas even after he had threatened to shoot up a school. Both will go to jail, people will be satisfied that justice was served and the system that makes guns very easy to access and failed to help these kids will not change and there will be more school shootings and tiny coffins in a few weeks.

From interviews I read with neighbors, it seems like child protective services really failed these kids (unless there is more we don't know which there could be). Neighbors said they called CPS several times to report the mother over a 2 year period. And that the kid in question was never at school, he had chronic absenteeism, and would wander around the neighborhood and woods all day. Where were the school and CPS?

CPS is understaffed and underfunded and foster care is not ideal, there aren’t enough foster families. It takes a lot for a child to be taken out of a home.

Well it sounds like there was more than enough in this case, for years. look how it ended up.

His parents don’t seem great but it appears that he was fed, clothed, and not beaten or physically abused. I know thats the bare minimum of having a child but if mom wasn’t doing drugs in the house and dad was safe and available this is what happens.

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Anonymous wrote:They weren't *that* poor. Guns and ammo cost money.

They had recently been evicted. Money mismanagement I guess???

Neighbors and former landlord have spoken to the press. Seems like the mother was a complete nightmare: locking kids out of the house for hours (with kids banging on door to get back in), mother driving up and down street drunk, mother passed out in driveway or on front lawn with car running and music blaring, mother screaming. Father seemed to not be much of a problem but also seemed to stand by while wife did all this. Mother recently arrested for beating and tying up her own elderly mother.

Maybe Grandma was refusing to provide the free child care JD said she should

The village failed these kids. And of course the idiot Father who bought his troubled son a gun for Christmas even after he had threatened to shoot up a school. Both will go to jail, people will be satisfied that justice was served and the system that makes guns very easy to access and failed to help these kids will not change and there will be more school shootings and tiny coffins in a few weeks.

From interviews I read with neighbors, it seems like child protective services really failed these kids (unless there is more we don't know which there could be). Neighbors said they called CPS several times to report the mother over a 2 year period. And that the kid in question was never at school, he had chronic absenteeism, and would wander around the neighborhood and woods all day. Where were the school and CPS?

CPS is understaffed and underfunded and foster care is not ideal, there aren’t enough foster families. It takes a lot for a child to be taken out of a home.

+1 I hate that every time one of these shootings occur that people rush to blame the people and institutions around the kid that aren't easy to change. Republicans don't want gun control, but they don't want to pay for more social services or child services or mental health services. So we are where we are.

They literally don't want solutions and the only solutions they propose are useless and ineffective.

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Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

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This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

No it's not and who knows what kind of dysfunction she had to live through herself. HOWEVER, the fact that her kid went and shot up a school, she's under the microscope now.

The tragedy is that she and her husband as parents, failed their kid. That is a fact as their kid caused harm to society that's unforgiveable. She needs to be punished for that. Bad parenting is one thing, drug addict is one thing - your kid who you raised taking a gun and firing into a classroom killing folks? That's a whole other thing!