Anonymous
06/27/2024 13:02
Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
Anonymous wrote:Mike Johnson backs the Ten Commandments mandate. His comments provide some insight into where some of the GOP hopes the policy goes and what it's based on.
Johnson speculated about the incentives of his former colleagues in passing the legislation.
“The intent behind it is that they’re trying to acknowledge our history and tradition in the country. I mean, obviously, the Ten Commandments have a huge impact, and they’re very important in the development of our – well, of all of Western civilization, but certainly of our country. And I think that’s what they had in mind,” Johnson said.
What the Louisiana legislature is trying to do – those are my old colleagues down there, I know what they’re up to – they’re trying to reemphasize the importance of that foundational part of our country, and that should be permissible,” he later added. “It’s not an establishment of religion. It’s not. They’re not trying to enforce any particular religious code. They’re just saying this is part of the history and tradition.”
Johnson, however, noted he used to litigate similar cases, and said he expects the case ultimately to make its way to the Supreme Court, where he expects the ACLU to ultimately fail. He pointed to a similar case from the 1980s, Marsh v. Chambers, in which the court upheld the practice of starting legislative session with a legislative prayer, noting it “is deeply embedded in the history and tradition of our country.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4742235-louisiana-ten-commandments-law/
Establishing Christianity as the state religion has been the GOP’s goal for as long as they have enfolded the evangelicals in their party. And here they are, establishing a state religion.
Anonymous
06/27/2024 09:45
Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
The Founding Fathers were members of Congress who ratified the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797 which said "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion ... it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
Anonymous
06/26/2024 20:50
Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
From a classroom management view point, this seems like a train wreck about to happen. I can imagine the outwardly Christian students thinking they are higher in the school social pecking order because the school system seems to back up all their views. Also, these students might freel like they can get away with crappy behsvior, becausd “God is on their side”. Christian kids calling non-Christians heathens, sinners! Ugh! Student behavior is already an issue, this will just make things worse.
Oh, and I was a middle school teacher who heard students chanting “build that wall!” a few years ago. I really feel for the Louisiana teachers.
Oh, and I was a middle school teacher who heard students chanting “build that wall!” a few years ago. I really feel for the Louisiana teachers.
Anonymous
06/26/2024 20:22
Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
Anonymous wrote:Mike Johnson backs the Ten Commandments mandate. His comments provide some insight into where some of the GOP hopes the policy goes and what it's based on.
Johnson speculated about the incentives of his former colleagues in passing the legislation.
“The intent behind it is that they’re trying to acknowledge our history and tradition in the country. I mean, obviously, the Ten Commandments have a huge impact, and they’re very important in the development of our – well, of all of Western civilization, but certainly of our country. And I think that’s what they had in mind,” Johnson said.
What the Louisiana legislature is trying to do – those are my old colleagues down there, I know what they’re up to – they’re trying to reemphasize the importance of that foundational part of our country, and that should be permissible,” he later added. “It’s not an establishment of religion. It’s not. They’re not trying to enforce any particular religious code. They’re just saying this is part of the history and tradition.”
Johnson, however, noted he used to litigate similar cases, and said he expects the case ultimately to make its way to the Supreme Court, where he expects the ACLU to ultimately fail. He pointed to a similar case from the 1980s, Marsh v. Chambers, in which the court upheld the practice of starting legislative session with a legislative prayer, noting it “is deeply embedded in the history and tradition of our country.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4742235-louisiana-ten-commandments-law/
Yeah but whose version of the 10 commandments? There are already parents including one Jewish who are suing because Louisiana is forcing one particular version of the Commandments.
And all these people pushing it need to be asked specifically what do they have against graven images. Looking forward to that being argued in front of all the Catholic justices.
Anonymous
06/26/2024 20:13
Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
Mike Johnson backs the Ten Commandments mandate. His comments provide some insight into where some of the GOP hopes the policy goes and what it's based on.
Johnson speculated about the incentives of his former colleagues in passing the legislation.
“The intent behind it is that they’re trying to acknowledge our history and tradition in the country. I mean, obviously, the Ten Commandments have a huge impact, and they’re very important in the development of our – well, of all of Western civilization, but certainly of our country. And I think that’s what they had in mind,” Johnson said.
What the Louisiana legislature is trying to do – those are my old colleagues down there, I know what they’re up to – they’re trying to reemphasize the importance of that foundational part of our country, and that should be permissible,” he later added. “It’s not an establishment of religion. It’s not. They’re not trying to enforce any particular religious code. They’re just saying this is part of the history and tradition.”
Johnson, however, noted he used to litigate similar cases, and said he expects the case ultimately to make its way to the Supreme Court, where he expects the ACLU to ultimately fail. He pointed to a similar case from the 1980s, Marsh v. Chambers, in which the court upheld the practice of starting legislative session with a legislative prayer, noting it “is deeply embedded in the history and tradition of our country.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4742235-louisiana-ten-commandments-law/
Johnson speculated about the incentives of his former colleagues in passing the legislation.
“The intent behind it is that they’re trying to acknowledge our history and tradition in the country. I mean, obviously, the Ten Commandments have a huge impact, and they’re very important in the development of our – well, of all of Western civilization, but certainly of our country. And I think that’s what they had in mind,” Johnson said.
What the Louisiana legislature is trying to do – those are my old colleagues down there, I know what they’re up to – they’re trying to reemphasize the importance of that foundational part of our country, and that should be permissible,” he later added. “It’s not an establishment of religion. It’s not. They’re not trying to enforce any particular religious code. They’re just saying this is part of the history and tradition.”
Johnson, however, noted he used to litigate similar cases, and said he expects the case ultimately to make its way to the Supreme Court, where he expects the ACLU to ultimately fail. He pointed to a similar case from the 1980s, Marsh v. Chambers, in which the court upheld the practice of starting legislative session with a legislative prayer, noting it “is deeply embedded in the history and tradition of our country.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4742235-louisiana-ten-commandments-law/
Anonymous
06/25/2024 16:47
Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."
How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.
Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.
No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.
Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.
It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.
I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:
"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Hanging the 10 Commandments
1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech
There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.
hindus, atheists and others would have standing.
Anonymous
06/25/2024 16:46
Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."
What do the Ten Commandments have to do with Jesus?
You’re not familiar with: In the beginning was the Word. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
The ten commandments are from the old testimant. That predates Jesus.
Anonymous
06/25/2024 16:44
Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."
I want nothing to do with Jesus. You don't have the right to impose "him" on to me. If you want more Jesus in your life, go for it.
Anonymous
06/25/2024 16:39
Subject: Re:Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
Anonymous wrote:Now other religions are, rightfully, asking for inclusion as a result of this law:
https://www.cbs42.com/regional/louisiana-news/religious-leader-wants-to-display-indian-scriptures-in-louisiana-public-classrooms/
Can't wait to see Republicans try to deny this.
I think we need some Buddhist wisdom in the classroom. That would be very helpful to kids to learn some values: wisdom, kindness, generosity, compassion. Buddha was also anti-killing, anti-theft, and anti-promiscuity! So very aligned with Old Testament commandments!
Anonymous
06/25/2024 13:36
Subject: Re:Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
Now other religions are, rightfully, asking for inclusion as a result of this law:
https://www.cbs42.com/regional/louisiana-news/religious-leader-wants-to-display-indian-scriptures-in-louisiana-public-classrooms/
Can't wait to see Republicans try to deny this.
https://www.cbs42.com/regional/louisiana-news/religious-leader-wants-to-display-indian-scriptures-in-louisiana-public-classrooms/
Can't wait to see Republicans try to deny this.
Anonymous
06/25/2024 13:24
Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus.
Moses is the Ten Commandments guy.
Ok so who is the villain in this then? The Jews or "Christian nationalists"? You're firing randomly.
Neither Jews nor strict Protestants believe in making images of god and praying in front of them.
Anonymous
06/25/2024 13:20
Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is a graven image. Look it up.
The GOP wants to put up “laws” in the classroom that demand banning this.
What? Citation please.
The citation is the commandment to not have graven images.
Catholics will pray at statues, ie graven images. Catholic Churches everywhere have candles to light and kneelers in front of such statues and altarpieces. This commandment which republicans such as Trump say is important to teaching kids morals basically was the one Protestants used to tear down statues and paintings of god, Jesus, and saints several centuries ago. Why do you think Protestant churches tend to be so plain and unadorned compared to Catholic ones? Because they think such art reeks of idolatry.
Read some history.
Anonymous
06/25/2024 13:13
Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."
How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.
Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.
No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.
Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.
It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.
I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:
"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Hanging the 10 Commandments
1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech
There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.
Since when is everyone either a Jew Christian or Muslim???
Other cultures and religions have their own ancient texts too.
And why should we ban “graven images” - no one will answer that. That sounds like banning speech to me.
The US was formed on judeo Christian ethics. It's okay for us to promote our cultural heritage. Other nations do.
No one is banning graven images. They are just tearing down historical statues bc they want to remove a sense of historical culture and identity so they have a blank slate to work with.
Wait, so you're saying that the 10 Commandments are relics of the past that have no use in modern society? If we are no longer following them then why are we posting them? What is the point of putting a statement "No Graven Images" up in a classroom if you're going to then say, kidding! Please answer this. Do you or do you not believe in all 10 commandments and think they should be followed? If not, why do you believe all 10 should be posted as part of "our cultural heritage" - given that you don't think they are relevant to us anymore?
Anonymous
06/25/2024 12:43
Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."
How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.
Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.
No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.
Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.
It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.
I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:
"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Hanging the 10 Commandments
1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech
There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.
Since when is everyone either a Jew Christian or Muslim???
Other cultures and religions have their own ancient texts too.
And why should we ban “graven images” - no one will answer that. That sounds like banning speech to me.
The US was formed on judeo Christian ethics. It's okay for us to promote our cultural heritage. Other nations do.
No one is banning graven images. They are just tearing down historical statues bc they want to remove a sense of historical culture and identity so they have a blank slate to work with.
The Constitution only mentions religion three times and all of those references are to keeping religion out of government.
Anonymous
06/25/2024 12:41
Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."
How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.
Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.
No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.
Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.
It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.
I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:
"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Hanging the 10 Commandments
1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech
There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.
Since when is everyone either a Jew Christian or Muslim???
Other cultures and religions have their own ancient texts too.
And why should we ban “graven images” - no one will answer that. That sounds like banning speech to me.
The US was formed on judeo Christian ethics.
No. No no no no no no no. The founding fathers explicitly avoided doing that. They certainly could have and there certainly were those who wanted it. But they purposefully did not do that in the constitution. Read your history. You could not be more wrong.