OJ also says he told his family and his team to not cheer or smile or celebrate and just be straight faced /subdued during the verdict out of respect for the dead because he knew it would be twisted by the media if he celebrated . This idea of Robert Kardashian or his team being mad or stunned isn’t true. He said his team all celebrated later on privately

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For people who have spent any time as victims or with victims of domestic violence, this case was cut and dried. OJ beat his wife and then finally killed her and Ron Goldman, who was in the wrong place.

They were victims who were then dragged through the mud by the press and all the armchair lawyers and forensic pathologists like the people on this thread. They could not speak for themselves because he stabbed them to death so other people killed them again.

How the case turned out is immaterial to the fact that he did it.

[/quote]

It’s not cut and dry. That’s circumstantial which can’t be used to convict . Only forensic evidence matters. There was no forensic evidence that linked Scott Peterson. He was convicted simply because he had an affair and told his AP his wife was gone .

No forensics found in his home, warehouses, or boat to prove Scott had a struggle and killed his wife in those places .

As for the case with OJ, the forensics here are questionable due to the EDTA found and the lead detectives racial motivations /sentiments . Also, the timeline doesn’t add up either. Catching a limo and boarding a flight 15 minutes after hacking two people to death would be impossible. He would be leaking their blood/leaning a trail everywhere he moved yet the Bronco and limo weren’t washed for blood and O.J. had wall to wall carpet in his bedroom in his home . No blood stains found there either.

Nicole and Oj’s contentious divorce/relationship doesn’t prove anything about the murders. Lots of divorced couples get into fights about the kids or anything else . That doesn’t mean one killed a person. Nicole wouldn’t have told O.J. about sleeping with Marcus Allen or about her dating life if he was possessive or jealous over her. OJ wouldn’t have befriended and invited the kids’ babysitter/Nicole’s male friend Kato Kaelin (a straight man) to live in his guest house if he was a jealous guy. [/quote]
Circumstantial evidence can be used to convict. If the evidence is admissible, whether it’s direct or circumstantial, you can use it to convict. They had lengthy pre-trial hearings in this case about the admissibility of the prior DV incidents. There is case law about being able to use such evidence to establish motive. People don’t need a law degree to have an opinion on this case but you’re presenting things as facts when you are actually taking out of your @ss. [/quote]

Circumstantial evidence cannot be used by a responsible jury of one’s peers to convict someone beyond reasonable doubt.

If someone you disliked died, should you automatically become a suspect because of your history or does it matter what happened that actual day/night? The cops ignored the neighbors who reported hearing males arguing after 11pm at the Bundy residence . Anything that didn’t fit with OJ as suspect (because he had an alibi/ was on a flight) was completely ignored. If Nicole was on the phone at 11pm and the neighbors were right about hearing noise around midnight, that means they both died later than the 10:15/10:30pm presumed by the state

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This cuckoo pants OJ/Peterson supporter is some MRA or something. OJ was a wife beater and he killed her and an innocent bystander. Scott Peterson killed his pregnant wife and their son in utero. The aliens didn’t do it. It wasn’t a cartel or some serial killers or blah blah blah. In each case it was the sh*** terrible man who supposedly loved them.

How is it cuckoo pants that crooked /lazy detective work goes on and lots of innocent people white and black especially male are framed by cops and in jail for things they didn’t actually do?
Cops usually lie about the time of death too. Do you know who a coroners office is connected to? Cops and prosecutors .

The system is very prone to mistakes because everyone’s in bed with each other so to speak.

Again, Why are Nicole’s phone records sealed? OJ even tried to ask the Brown family for their phone records and filed a court request for Nicole’s in 2000, but they refused .

He keeps saying Nicole spoke to her mother at 11pm about the missing glasses. He heard Nicole’s dad say this at the funeral. The judges of course kept denying this and the Browns also didn’t give up their phone records to OJ.

https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=20000226&slug=4006917

Umm this article says OJ tried to get his “dream team” to give the records over to him but they refused, which means the dream team had them.

This was in 2000. His defense team wasn’t representing him anymore so they couldn’t summon for it. They didn’t have phone records because during the criminal trial, they were sealed . Nobody has seen them. I don’t know why they are sealed . It’s biased to use a 1989 911 call but not Nicole’s phone records from that night. Who called her before she opened the door?

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For people who have spent any time as victims or with victims of domestic violence, this case was cut and dried. OJ beat his wife and then finally killed her and Ron Goldman, who was in the wrong place.

They were victims who were then dragged through the mud by the press and all the armchair lawyers and forensic pathologists like the people on this thread. They could not speak for themselves because he stabbed them to death so other people killed them again.

How the case turned out is immaterial to the fact that he did it.

[/quote]

It’s not cut and dry. That’s circumstantial which can’t be used to convict . Only forensic evidence matters. There was no forensic evidence that linked Scott Peterson. He was convicted simply because he had an affair and told his AP his wife was gone .

No forensics found in his home, warehouses, or boat to prove Scott had a struggle and killed his wife in those places .

As for the case with OJ, the forensics here are questionable due to the EDTA found and the lead detectives racial motivations /sentiments . Also, the timeline doesn’t add up either. Catching a limo and boarding a flight 15 minutes after hacking two people to death would be impossible. He would be leaking their blood/leaning a trail everywhere he moved yet the Bronco and limo weren’t washed for blood and O.J. had wall to wall carpet in his bedroom in his home . No blood stains found there either.

Nicole and Oj’s contentious divorce/relationship doesn’t prove anything about the murders. Lots of divorced couples get into fights about the kids or anything else . That doesn’t mean one killed a person. Nicole wouldn’t have told O.J. about sleeping with Marcus Allen or about her dating life if he was possessive or jealous over her. OJ wouldn’t have befriended and invited the kids’ babysitter/Nicole’s male friend Kato Kaelin (a straight man) to live in his guest house if he was a jealous guy. [/quote]
Circumstantial evidence can be used to convict. If the evidence is admissible, whether it’s direct or circumstantial, you can use it to convict. They had lengthy pre-trial hearings in this case about the admissibility of the prior DV incidents. There is case law about being able to use such evidence to establish motive. People don’t need a law degree to have an opinion on this case but you’re presenting things as facts when you are actually taking out of your @ss.

Anonymous wrote:Casey Anthony didn’t do it either!

I think she was guilty . She planned it . She googled chloroform .

With OJ and Scott, these weren’t crazy men. They were working guys who may have been aholes to their wives but that’s not enough to convict someone to life in jail for murder. The crime scenes have to be used but cops automatically suspect the man and nobody else. They had nothing to gain by killing their wives. No sane man would do it and think he wouldn’t get caught. Laci saw a house getting burglarized during her walk. Plenty of neighbors saw her and her dog walking that day. Cops ignored all that just because they were angry Scott had an affair.

In the case of OJ, it were an unexpected “crime of passion/rage crime” , why would he bring a glove which implies planning? And why would he leave it there if he were careful enough to dispose of everything else (clothes, murder weapon, shoes)?

Anonymous wrote:For people who have spent any time as victims or with victims of domestic violence, this case was cut and dried. OJ beat his wife and then finally killed her and Ron Goldman, who was in the wrong place.

They were victims who were then dragged through the mud by the press and all the armchair lawyers and forensic pathologists like the people on this thread. They could not speak for themselves because he stabbed them to death so other people killed them again.

How the case turned out is immaterial to the fact that he did it.

It’s not cut and dry. That’s circumstantial which can’t be used to convict . Only forensic evidence matters. There was no forensic evidence that linked Scott Peterson. He was convicted simply because he had an affair and told his AP his wife was gone .

No forensics found in his home, warehouses, or boat to prove Scott had a struggle and killed his wife in those places .

As for the case with OJ, the forensics here are questionable due to the EDTA found and the lead detectives racial motivations /sentiments . Also, the timeline doesn’t add up either. Catching a limo and boarding a flight 15 minutes after hacking two people to death would be impossible. He would be leaking their blood/leaning a trail everywhere he moved yet the Bronco and limo weren’t washed for blood and O.J. had wall to wall carpet in his bedroom in his home . No blood stains found there either.

Nicole and Oj’s contentious divorce/relationship doesn’t prove anything about the murders. Lots of divorced couples get into fights about the kids or anything else . That doesn’t mean one killed a person. Nicole wouldn’t have told O.J. about sleeping with Marcus Allen or about her dating life if he was possessive or jealous over her. OJ wouldn’t have befriended and invited the kids’ babysitter/Nicole’s male friend Kato Kaelin (a straight man) to live in his guest house if he was a jealous guy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A neighbor saw Oj frantic at intersection right after murders but it wasn’t allowed in court because she told a newspaper about it before the trial

Do you have a link for this?

It was well known she sold the story to Hard Copy for $5,000, so it was inadmissible. She maintains it’s what she saw to this day. Apparently, she feels awful for selling the story.

There are a tone of stories about it:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4931214/amp/Witness-saw-OJ-flee-says-moment-changed-life.html

Again, I assume weren’t alive at the time. This was everywhere!

It was admissible but prosecutors chose not to put her on the stand because they felt she would be completely discredited by the defense in part because she sold her story to Hard Copy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A neighbor saw Oj frantic at intersection right after murders but it wasn’t allowed in court because she told a newspaper about it before the trial

Do you have a link for this?

It was well known she sold the story to Hard Copy for $5,000, so it was inadmissible. She maintains it’s what she saw to this day. Apparently, she feels awful for selling the story.

There are a tone of stories about it:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4931214/amp/Witness-saw-OJ-flee-says-moment-changed-life.html

Again, I assume weren’t alive at the time. This was everywhere!

Anonymous wrote:A neighbor saw Oj frantic at intersection right after murders but it wasn’t allowed in court because she told a newspaper about it before the trial

Do you have a link for this?

Anonymous wrote:For people who have spent any time as victims or with victims of domestic violence, this case was cut and dried. OJ beat his wife and then finally killed her and Ron Goldman, who was in the wrong place.

They were victims who were then dragged through the mud by the press and all the armchair lawyers and forensic pathologists like the people on this thread. They could not speak for themselves because he stabbed them to death so other people killed them again.

How the case turned out is immaterial to the fact that he did it.

100 percent. It’s not even debatable. He killed them and has lied about it ever since. He even tried defaming Nicole after murders so Nicole wouldn’t garner sympathy from the public.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This cuckoo pants OJ/Peterson supporter is some MRA or something. OJ was a wife beater and he killed her and an innocent bystander. Scott Peterson killed his pregnant wife and their son in utero. The aliens didn’t do it. It wasn’t a cartel or some serial killers or blah blah blah. In each case it was the sh*** terrible man who supposedly loved them.

How is it cuckoo pants that crooked /lazy detective work goes on and lots of innocent people white and black especially male are framed by cops and in jail for things they didn’t actually do?
Cops usually lie about the time of death too. Do you know who a coroners office is connected to? Cops and prosecutors .

The system is very prone to mistakes because everyone’s in bed with each other so to speak.

Again, Why are Nicole’s phone records sealed? OJ even tried to ask the Brown family for their phone records and filed a court request for Nicole’s in 2000, but they refused .

He keeps saying Nicole spoke to her mother at 11pm about the missing glasses. He heard Nicole’s dad say this at the funeral. The judges of course kept denying this and the Browns also didn’t give up their phone records to OJ.

https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=20000226&slug=4006917

Umm this article says OJ tried to get his “dream team” to give the records over to him but they refused, which means the dream team had them.

For people who have spent any time as victims or with victims of domestic violence, this case was cut and dried. OJ beat his wife and then finally killed her and Ron Goldman, who was in the wrong place.

They were victims who were then dragged through the mud by the press and all the armchair lawyers and forensic pathologists like the people on this thread. They could not speak for themselves because he stabbed them to death so other people killed them again.

How the case turned out is immaterial to the fact that he did it.

A neighbor saw Oj frantic at intersection right after murders but it wasn’t allowed in court because she told a newspaper about it before the trial

Anonymous wrote:Also, OJ was in his limo by 10:30 /10:40 to make the 11pm flight but Nicole’s phone records which were sealed for some reason may reveal Nicole was still on the phone at 11pm.

That means the deaths happened much later but 10:15 was used because it fit the timeline of OJs flight . This makes more sense bedause the dog didn’t start waking the neighbors till later and witnesses reported hearing voices of multiple men shouting around midnight

making up fact’s doesn’t make them true

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Oj defender is actually using talking points from oj’s own mouth kind of the way trump supporters only say what he says. Oj is guilty and I’m a guy and was once an Oj fan but the case was won at jury selection.
The jurors have said after case that it was payback, it didn’t matter what evidence was shown

What makes him guilty if the blood is questionable? Any jury would’ve let him walk. The evidence wasn’t overwhelming . The only thing we have is a 911 call and DV arrest from 1989 where OJ is on the recorded call blasting Nicole for blowing a guy in the living room while the kids were home. Something that most guys would have a fit about

He should not have been watching her blowing a guy in her living room. People have sex all the time while their kids are at home, presumably in another room, asleep. It was none of his business what she was doing.

He didn’t watch. The housekeeper told him

You are all over the place. Oj said himself that he saw through a window what was going on a rang the doorbell, then confronted Nicole about it the next time he saw her. You’re literally making up facts. Oj admitted seeing them in intimate position