Anonymous
09/08/2023 17:28
Subject: WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/09/5-teens-charged-with-robbery-assault-following-montgomery-co-football-game-brawl/
finally, some real consequences.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 16:22
Subject: WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/09/5-teens-charged-with-robbery-assault-following-montgomery-co-football-game-brawl/
I guess this puts an end to the moronic fight vs. assault argument
Unfortunately, the deranged poster who argued that point is now moving the goal posts and denying they ever said what they said in the first place.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 16:19
Subject: WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/09/5-teens-charged-with-robbery-assault-following-montgomery-co-football-game-brawl/
I guess this puts an end to the moronic fight vs. assault argument
Anonymous
09/08/2023 16:19
Subject: Re:WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:1. This had nothing to do with school rivalries: At least one of the worst cases involved a BCC kid beating up another BCC kid (a cheerleader, actually!) -- entirely unprovoked.
The only thing this had to do with football or rivalries, it seems, is that a group of kids heard stories of past years' fights and came to downtown Bethesda to get in on the action. I haven't seen anyone who was at the football game suggest that this was a case where things got heated at the game and spilled over into the streets: These were not kids who came for football; these were kids who came to fight.
2. Here is the solution: Parents from both schools engage community members, alumni, and members of the community to plan Friday night events, in coordination with police, in which supervising adults fan out (haha) throughout the downtown area after the game, eyes on Chipotle, eyes on the metro. Make it a fundraiser or use the occasion to raise awareness of this or that issue. The idea is to do what makes Bethesda boring the vast majority of the time: Have adults out and about and don't allow kids to congregate in numbers.
Or, just, like have police do it?
LIke, it sounds like they did a fine job at the actual game. I'm pretty surprised that they weren't already keeping a watchful eye on Chipotle, which is precisely where kids have been fighting in the past. Betcha they don't make that mistake again...!
The kids who plotted and decided to plan and launch an assault on their fellow students for fun, bragging rights or for an opportunity to rob them, are not going to show up to school-sanctioned post-game events. Don't be naive.
Additionally, the answer is not to burden more adults with making sure adolescents who should know better don't behave with increased monitoring. The school system doesn't have the personnel to do this and I doubt it can be sustained with parent volunteers over the long haul.
The answer is to punish the kids who did this, to wake them up to the reality that their actions have consequences. Publicize those consequences so their peers who might similar ideas understand that that's not the route they want to go down. It's really just that simple.
Adults with agendas, however, get in the way of this.
That's the point: fill the vacuum of dark quiet streets with annoying boring parents lol
(Google routine activity theory.) Prevent crime by looking out for potential targets or victims, supervising potential offenders, and filling places with wright watchful eyes and literal or metaphorical bright lights.
Research shows clearly that the chance of being caught is a vastly more effective deterrent than even draconian punishment.
(Maybe not as emotionally satisfying though lol )
The more challenging part of this is the thing teens do -- I don't know what the word for it is -- but where they glorify and copy each other's dangerous and violent behavior. From the teen suicide epidemics of Gen X's youth to the copycat mass shootings, there is a sociological component here and no easy answers -- but cool if you think you have them lol
Anonymous
09/08/2023 16:18
Subject: WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous
09/08/2023 16:12
Subject: WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.
Where was I wrong?
A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.
Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.
You will need to wait for facts.
A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).
Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).
They charged him with ROBBERY and assault. This was NOT a fight. He had on a ski mask. THIS WAS INTENTIONAL.
Are you dumb? Just shut up and admit you were talking out of your backside.
His Twitter page is likes and interactions with people assaulting others in a very similar manner to what he did. This person absolutely was obsessed with violence, was looking for any excuse to commit this violence and planned out and executed this fantasy he's had.
And for the superintendent to call this event a fight is akin to calling a school shooting a fight.
I'm disgusted with Dr. McKnight
I saw it before it was deleted, and I agree that he is acting out what he saw on social media and what passes for entertainment these days.
Hopefully the DA saw it too
I meant before it was deleted off this thread. I don’t know if it was deleted from Twitter.
It's still on his Twitter profile. But I guess we're not allowed to link to it here, for whatever reason.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 16:10
Subject: WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.
Where was I wrong?
A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.
Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.
You will need to wait for facts.
A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).
Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).
They charged him with ROBBERY and assault. This was NOT a fight. He had on a ski mask. THIS WAS INTENTIONAL.
Are you dumb? Just shut up and admit you were talking out of your backside.
His Twitter page is likes and interactions with people assaulting others in a very similar manner to what he did. This person absolutely was obsessed with violence, was looking for any excuse to commit this violence and planned out and executed this fantasy he's had.
And for the superintendent to call this event a fight is akin to calling a school shooting a fight.
I'm disgusted with Dr. McKnight
I saw it before it was deleted, and I agree that he is acting out what he saw on social media and what passes for entertainment these days.
Hopefully the DA saw it too
I meant before it was deleted off this thread. I don’t know if it was deleted from Twitter.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 16:06
Subject: Re:WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DP and in upcounty. I'm baffled how the rest of the high schools which had nothing to do with this are being punished, yet no news on what will happen to the thugs who instigated this.
I'm also in the upcounty. How are the other high schools being punished? Did you miss the news about pending charges? Are you familiar with laws and policies that restrict the public's access to information about juveniles?
They are limiting who can attend football games.
No they aren’t. The attendance policy is the same as it has been for several years. (HS students of both teams allowed, with student ID; MS/ES in cluster allowed with adult chaperone.) Just because they had principals message their communities about it again doesn’t mean there was a change.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 15:57
Subject: WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.
Where was I wrong?
A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.
Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.
You will need to wait for facts.
A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).
Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).
They charged him with ROBBERY and assault. This was NOT a fight. He had on a ski mask. THIS WAS INTENTIONAL.
Are you dumb? Just shut up and admit you were talking out of your backside.
NP. I think that poster was just going over possibilities with the facts kniwn at the time to prevent knee jerk reactions. There seems to be more info now. Also, they didn't say it was a fight. If you read the last paragraph, they're saying it could be true or a cover story. But, as more facts have surfaced, they are corroborating and indicating the allegations were true.
Not sure why people are all up in this poster's grill. She is not insisting it was a fight!
And who is the person with the "Mc"everything fetish? Are you obsessed with Monifa and fast food?
I'm just glad more information is coming out and hope the victim is ok.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 15:46
Subject: Re:WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.
Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.
You will need to wait for facts.
A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).
Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).
? Assault is assault regardless of whether it was in the middle of several people fighting or not. If you're hit by someone, it's assault. You can call police and press charges. They will determine if you also threw punches, and whether you started it, or whether you exercised reasonable self-defence.
That is not how the laws are written.
Fighting is actually legal. You have the legal right to fight someone else if you choose. If you choose to be in a fight you can't claim assault.
You might be able to argue once somebody is on the ground and being kicked the fight has now turned into an assault.
Just let your children know, if they agree to be in a fight, they can't turn around after they lose a fight and claim assault.
LOL WHAT?
NP - I'm not sure why you're laughing, the PP is right. If groups of students met up to fight, there's noting illegal about that (though it's idiotic). It's not at all clear that is what happened here, though.
What's the first rule of fight club?
No fight club!
Anonymous
09/08/2023 15:37
Subject: WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.
Where was I wrong?
A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.
Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.
You will need to wait for facts.
A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).
Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).
They charged him with ROBBERY and assault. This was NOT a fight. He had on a ski mask. THIS WAS INTENTIONAL.
Are you dumb? Just shut up and admit you were talking out of your backside.
His Twitter page is likes and interactions with people assaulting others in a very similar manner to what he did. This person absolutely was obsessed with violence, was looking for any excuse to commit this violence and planned out and executed this fantasy he's had.
And for the superintendent to call this event a fight is akin to calling a school shooting a fight.
I'm disgusted with Dr. McKnight
I saw it before it was deleted, and I agree that he is acting out what he saw on social media and what passes for entertainment these days.
Hopefully the DA saw it too
Anonymous
09/08/2023 15:18
Subject: WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.
Where was I wrong?
A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.
Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.
You will need to wait for facts.
A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).
Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).
They charged him with ROBBERY and assault. This was NOT a fight. He had on a ski mask. THIS WAS INTENTIONAL.
Are you dumb? Just shut up and admit you were talking out of your backside.
His Twitter page is likes and interactions with people assaulting others in a very similar manner to what he did. This person absolutely was obsessed with violence, was looking for any excuse to commit this violence and planned out and executed this fantasy he's had.
And for the superintendent to call this event a fight is akin to calling a school shooting a fight.
I'm disgusted with Dr. McKnight
I saw it before it was deleted, and I agree that he is acting out what he saw on social media and what passes for entertainment these days.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 14:55
Subject: WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.
Where was I wrong?
A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.
Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.
You will need to wait for facts.
A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).
Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).
They charged him with ROBBERY and assault. This was NOT a fight. He had on a ski mask. THIS WAS INTENTIONAL.
Are you dumb? Just shut up and admit you were talking out of your backside.
His Twitter page is likes and interactions with people assaulting others in a very similar manner to what he did. This person absolutely was obsessed with violence, was looking for any excuse to commit this violence and planned out and executed this fantasy he's had.
And for the superintendent to call this event a fight is akin to calling a school shooting a fight.
I'm disgusted with Dr. McKnight
It also has incidents of stealing clothing items from other juveniles as he is charged with doing.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 14:42
Subject: Re:WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DP and in upcounty. I'm baffled how the rest of the high schools which had nothing to do with this are being punished, yet no news on what will happen to the thugs who instigated this.
I'm also in the upcounty. How are the other high schools being punished? Did you miss the news about pending charges? Are you familiar with laws and policies that restrict the public's access to information about juveniles?
They are limiting who can attend football games.
And you consider that to be punishment? Who is being punished? The people being limited out of attending the games? The football players, cheer team, etc., who will be watched by a more limited group of people?
Yes, the schools and spectators are being punished (reduced ticket sales, reduced number of fans who are able to attend the games) as a result of an incident that they had nothing to do with. I'm glad the kids who started it have been arrested and that more will come; however, the other schools had nothing to do with this; in fact, the incident happened outside of school grounds.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 14:01
Subject: WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.
Where was I wrong?
A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.
Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.
You will need to wait for facts.
A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).
Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).
They charged him with ROBBERY and assault. This was NOT a fight. He had on a ski mask. THIS WAS INTENTIONAL.
Are you dumb? Just shut up and admit you were talking out of your backside.
His Twitter page is likes and interactions with people assaulting others in a very similar manner to what he did. This person absolutely was obsessed with violence, was looking for any excuse to commit this violence and planned out and executed this fantasy he's had.
And for the superintendent to call this event a fight is akin to calling a school shooting a fight.
I'm disgusted with Dr. McKnight