Anonymous
Post 06/28/2023 09:26     Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NYT is reporting that the former top Russian commander in Ukraine had advance knowledge of Prigozhin's rebellion, and may have helped him plan the logistics. There are also signs of support from other Russian generals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/27/us/politics/russian-general-prigozhin-rebellion.html


Wow.

Wait. Just to oust Shoigu, who is despised by a lot of people?
... or for a real coup to oust Putin?!?

Because if it's the latter, Putin better watch his back. They're not done with him yet. On the other hand, Putin's been picking off oligarchs one by one, through various means, and Surovikin may be next. But he's just one man, and there's a whole lot of "them".


Thing is, surovikin isn't really an oligarch though.He's a respected general who earned the nickname of 'Armageddon' for his alleged propensity to rain down unspeakable levels of violence on opponents . If putin—through the FSB—chooses to off him, what are the chances that his loyalists choose not to retaliate?


But... where does that leave Putin, then, if he lets other powerful men make very significant decisions for him?

It smells like a "soft coup" from a group of generals in the army. World history tells us that's usually how coups happen, actually.

And then we have Russia governed by hardline, "Armageddon" generals???

Delightful.


So many people cheering for Putin's ouster don't realize just how good we have it. He governs in a very restrained manner, and reels in many of the more extreme elements in Russian society.

These people should note that disaffection with Putin is coming from the side that doesn't want to hold back as much.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2023 09:12     Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NYT is reporting that the former top Russian commander in Ukraine had advance knowledge of Prigozhin's rebellion, and may have helped him plan the logistics. There are also signs of support from other Russian generals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/27/us/politics/russian-general-prigozhin-rebellion.html


Wow.

Wait. Just to oust Shoigu, who is despised by a lot of people?
... or for a real coup to oust Putin?!?

Because if it's the latter, Putin better watch his back. They're not done with him yet. On the other hand, Putin's been picking off oligarchs one by one, through various means, and Surovikin may be next. But he's just one man, and there's a whole lot of "them".


Thing is, surovikin isn't really an oligarch though.He's a respected general who earned the nickname of 'Armageddon' for his alleged propensity to rain down unspeakable levels of violence on opponents . If putin—through the FSB—chooses to off him, what are the chances that his loyalists choose not to retaliate?


But... where does that leave Putin, then, if he lets other powerful men make very significant decisions for him?

It smells like a "soft coup" from a group of generals in the army. World history tells us that's usually how coups happen, actually.

And then we have Russia governed by hardline, "Armageddon" generals???

Delightful.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2023 09:06     Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:Gee this all seems to have taken some of the wind out of the pro-Russia trolls' sails 😆


As a certified Russian bot I don't disagree. Its a great lesson in how much damage even a single scorpion can do. Even half-scorpions.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2023 02:11     Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NYT is reporting that the former top Russian commander in Ukraine had advance knowledge of Prigozhin's rebellion, and may have helped him plan the logistics. There are also signs of support from other Russian generals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/27/us/politics/russian-general-prigozhin-rebellion.html


Wow.

Wait. Just to oust Shoigu, who is despised by a lot of people?
... or for a real coup to oust Putin?!?

Because if it's the latter, Putin better watch his back. They're not done with him yet. On the other hand, Putin's been picking off oligarchs one by one, through various means, and Surovikin may be next. But he's just one man, and there's a whole lot of "them".


Thing is, surovikin isn't really an oligarch though.He's a respected general who earned the nickname of 'Armageddon' for his alleged propensity to rain down unspeakable levels of violence on opponents . If putin—through the FSB—chooses to off him, what are the chances that his loyalists choose not to retaliate?
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2023 02:07     Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
General surovikin and prighozin are known to be close . It is said that , prighozin didn't like it when putin replaced his buddy with Valery gerasimov who's currently their equivalent of the chairman of the joints chief of staff.

It's a starting to make sense, doesn't it? Guys travel hundreds of miles and reach the outskirts of Moscow and the people in charge of counter measures stood by in deafening silence.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2023 23:27     Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Any bets on how Putin tries to kill Prigozhin for the first attempt?

Thing is that the first attempt cleared the runway for the next attempt.

Yup.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2023 22:23     Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:Gee this all seems to have taken some of the wind out of the pro-Russia trolls' sails 😆


They are watching their backs.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2023 21:53     Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:NYT is reporting that the former top Russian commander in Ukraine had advance knowledge of Prigozhin's rebellion, and may have helped him plan the logistics. There are also signs of support from other Russian generals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/27/us/politics/russian-general-prigozhin-rebellion.html


Wow.

Wait. Just to oust Shoigu, who is despised by a lot of people?
... or for a real coup to oust Putin?!?

Because if it's the latter, Putin better watch his back. They're not done with him yet. On the other hand, Putin's been picking off oligarchs one by one, through various means, and Surovikin may be next. But he's just one man, and there's a whole lot of "them".
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2023 21:43     Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
NYT is reporting that the former top Russian commander in Ukraine had advance knowledge of Prigozhin's rebellion, and may have helped him plan the logistics. There are also signs of support from other Russian generals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/27/us/politics/russian-general-prigozhin-rebellion.html
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2023 21:02     Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Gee this all seems to have taken some of the wind out of the pro-Russia trolls' sails 😆
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2023 20:07     Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Any bets on how Putin tries to kill Prigozhin for the first attempt?

Thing is that the first attempt cleared the runway for the next attempt.


It definitely made Putin look incredibly weak and clownish. Here he funded his own private military with billions in Russian taxpayer dollars (after lying to the Russian public about it) only to have that private army turn on him, and they got all the way to the Moscow suburbs unopposed.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2023 19:44     Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Or not.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2023 17:21     Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:Any bets on how Putin tries to kill Prigozhin for the first attempt?

Thing is that the first attempt cleared the runway for the next attempt.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2023 12:53     Subject: Re:Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Alena Lapshyna "Hello, this is live news on Channel One. Measures are being taken in different regions in connection with the events of last night. The attempted mutiny, the criminal scheme that Yevgeny Prigozhin tried to organize. The counter-terrorist operation mode was introduced in the capital, the Moscow and Voronezh regions. Mayor Sergei Sobyanin addressed the Muscovites."
Dmitry Shchugorev: "Meanwhile, earlier today the president made a statement after the attempted armed mutiny, "Russia is fighting an uphill battle for its future, for the lives and security of our people for our sovereignty and independence," Vladimir Putin said.
https://www.news.com.au/world/this-is-how-russian-tv-covered-wagners-advance/video/6e207b1e4d33dcb4332b221aa8ee73fc

Anyone on this thread ever hear Putin say something like this before?

The War in Ukraine might be over by xmas.


Russia is committing fewer resources to this conflict than the us did in Korea

So until they are getting beaten while fully mobilizing, this thing is gonna drag for years

Putin is trying to lay the foundation for the public to accept that level of war-footing


Russia doesn't have the resources to commit in the first place . The 72 hr special operation has turned into an almost two year debacle .


No, they haven’t been running a “war economy”



Completely false. Russia has diverted significant resources to the war effort along with diverting industry to support the war. And it's still not enough.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2023 12:52     Subject: Russia - civil war has broken out
Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why you people keep calling it a coup when it was anything but. It was completely pro-Putin.


LMAO no it wasn't.