Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 12:53     Subject: Re:Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone who is not obese will be upset that people lost weight taking a drug. I think the PP constantly posting about this has a mental health problem and is imagining this.

If the drugs are safe and widely available they could have a huge positive ripple effect. Obesity is a horrible health condition and costs the US $$$ in health care spending. If we return to a state where obesity is uncommon and people are not seeking out huge portions or a constant supply of high fat, high carb foods then the restaurant and food industry will respond to the changing demand with smaller normal portions.


I’m the PP with the friend who posted above. There are multiple people in this thread posting about how angry some posters are about the availability of the drug (and that anger is clearly visible; your denial of that is odd). I posted about how therapists are responding and there were other posts that weren’t mine. However, given that therapists in the field are currently having professional discussions about how to help patients address their profound anger, jealousy, and resentment about the existence of these drugs and other people taking them, I’d say that you are also in denial about how widespread and common that response is.

You might want to reflect on why it’s so important to you to deny reality.


That is not reality. I don’t know what more to tell you. People fabricate things on anonymous forums all the time. Do you really think heathy weight people are seeking therapy bc they are distraught and jealous over these meds, or talking about their imaginary anger toward them in work break rooms? I have no doubt these are made up posts. No one does this or is even thinking about them. If not for these threads I wouldn’t even be aware these meds exist. Please stop wasting energy thinking anyone cares if you take them


Oh okay, so we’re just lying. That’s a great argument!
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 12:35     Subject: Re:Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone who is not obese will be upset that people lost weight taking a drug. I think the PP constantly posting about this has a mental health problem and is imagining this.

If the drugs are safe and widely available they could have a huge positive ripple effect. Obesity is a horrible health condition and costs the US $$$ in health care spending. If we return to a state where obesity is uncommon and people are not seeking out huge portions or a constant supply of high fat, high carb foods then the restaurant and food industry will respond to the changing demand with smaller normal portions.


I’m the PP with the friend who posted above. There are multiple people in this thread posting about how angry some posters are about the availability of the drug (and that anger is clearly visible; your denial of that is odd). I posted about how therapists are responding and there were other posts that weren’t mine. However, given that therapists in the field are currently having professional discussions about how to help patients address their profound anger, jealousy, and resentment about the existence of these drugs and other people taking them, I’d say that you are also in denial about how widespread and common that response is.

You might want to reflect on why it’s so important to you to deny reality.


That is not reality. I don’t know what more to tell you. People fabricate things on anonymous forums all the time. Do you really think heathy weight people are seeking therapy bc they are distraught and jealous over these meds, or talking about their imaginary anger toward them in work break rooms? I have no doubt these are made up posts. No one does this or is even thinking about them. If not for these threads I wouldn’t even be aware these meds exist. Please stop wasting energy thinking anyone cares if you take them
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 12:30     Subject: Re:Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:The stigma against these drugs is very real even if no one wants to believe it. I overheard three coworkers talking at length about it the other day. All normal weight, active people deriding the fact that overweight people can just be lazy and lose weight, joking how they should start eating burgers every day if it doesn’t matter anymore, asking why they’re paying for a gym membership when they could just pay for the shots. It was very weird. There is definitely some bitterness there among some people though I don’t understand why.


Your co-workers are very angry at the loss of what they perceived made them special. It is a blow to their self-perception. The bitterness exists because your co-workers thought themselves better than obese people, and the success of this drug is showing that assessment was misguided. There are a lot of people who have built whole identities around not being fat (some probably posting in this thread). It is going to be emotionally painful for those people to accept that they’ve picked a foundation of sand for their self-worth, and it’s now crumbling. Because many people don’t react well to that sort of blow to their self-worth, they are reacting with anger and lashing out. Your coworkers are suffering with an identity and mental health crisis.

The only people who don’t want to believe it are those who are also angry about the success of the drugs. That’s why they are lashing out. It’s too painful for them to handle the deep blow to their identity.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 12:20     Subject: Re:Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone who is not obese will be upset that people lost weight taking a drug. I think the PP constantly posting about this has a mental health problem and is imagining this.

If the drugs are safe and widely available they could have a huge positive ripple effect. Obesity is a horrible health condition and costs the US $$$ in health care spending. If we return to a state where obesity is uncommon and people are not seeking out huge portions or a constant supply of high fat, high carb foods then the restaurant and food industry will respond to the changing demand with smaller normal portions.


I’m the PP with the friend who posted above. There are multiple people in this thread posting about how angry some posters are about the availability of the drug (and that anger is clearly visible; your denial of that is odd). I posted about how therapists are responding and there were other posts that weren’t mine. However, given that therapists in the field are currently having professional discussions about how to help patients address their profound anger, jealousy, and resentment about the existence of these drugs and other people taking them, I’d say that you are also in denial about how widespread and common that response is.

You might want to reflect on why it’s so important to you to deny reality.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 11:53     Subject: Re:Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
I don’t think anyone who is not obese will be upset that people lost weight taking a drug. I think the PP constantly posting about this has a mental health problem and is imagining this.

If the drugs are safe and widely available they could have a huge positive ripple effect. Obesity is a horrible health condition and costs the US $$$ in health care spending. If we return to a state where obesity is uncommon and people are not seeking out huge portions or a constant supply of high fat, high carb foods then the restaurant and food industry will respond to the changing demand with smaller normal portions.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 11:03     Subject: Re:Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
The stigma against these drugs is very real even if no one wants to believe it. I overheard three coworkers talking at length about it the other day. All normal weight, active people deriding the fact that overweight people can just be lazy and lose weight, joking how they should start eating burgers every day if it doesn’t matter anymore, asking why they’re paying for a gym membership when they could just pay for the shots. It was very weird. There is definitely some bitterness there among some people though I don’t understand why.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 10:41     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:30 pages in, still haven’t figured out why so many people upset about how overweight now have this great tool to lose weight. As someone listed upthread, where are these naysayers on the mental health/anxiety thread? Where are they on relationship thread when men talk about taking ED meds? Are they 30 pages deep on the health and medicine forum regarding BP and cholesterol management? Are they in the teen thread yelling at parents about Accutane for acne (yes, that’s only taken for about 6 months).

I mean why are y’all balls deep hating about these “miracle” drugs that will save millions of lives and result in better outcomes for millions of people? I mean I would just just say “If you like it, I love it”and move on. If diet and exercise works for some, great. If this works for some in a more efficient manner, even better. Sides effects are manageable and they really work on more than appetite suppression.

Who cares if they are long term medications. I certainly don’t. If staying on them for 10 years means I’m not fretting over calories and constantly thinking about food for 10 years, I will gladly wait for that 90 day supply. I’ve been on my maintenance dose of one shot a month for a year and still maintaining my significant weight loss. Love it!


I’ve read the thread. The only upset people I see are the ones that get all worked up if someone alludes to their obesity being a self created problem. Which it largely is, but so are many many other medical issues we treat every day. The ER is filled with people that made bad choices. Your fault in your medical condition is generally not a variable in if you can get treatment. But the TOPIC that people are trying to discuss before being name called and accused of fat shaming and mental disorders is will the drug eliminate obesity. No it won’t. People will keep getting fatter until their Dr finally writes them the script. And them of all the obese people, likely most will never receive the script for various reasons. But I don’t see anyone changing how they eat (in general) so people will stay on the same trajectory toward obesity and then a small percentage will take meds and be able to lose a portion. That seems to be as good as it will get


Patents will expire eventually and there will be affordable generics. It won’t get rid of obesity completely but in 10 years the rate will be way less. These drugs are also rapidly becoming more effective. Each iteration is an improvement.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 09:19     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:30 pages in, still haven’t figured out why so many people upset about how overweight now have this great tool to lose weight. As someone listed upthread, where are these naysayers on the mental health/anxiety thread? Where are they on relationship thread when men talk about taking ED meds? Are they 30 pages deep on the health and medicine forum regarding BP and cholesterol management? Are they in the teen thread yelling at parents about Accutane for acne (yes, that’s only taken for about 6 months).

I mean why are y’all balls deep hating about these “miracle” drugs that will save millions of lives and result in better outcomes for millions of people? I mean I would just just say “If you like it, I love it”and move on. If diet and exercise works for some, great. If this works for some in a more efficient manner, even better. Sides effects are manageable and they really work on more than appetite suppression.

Who cares if they are long term medications. I certainly don’t. If staying on them for 10 years means I’m not fretting over calories and constantly thinking about food for 10 years, I will gladly wait for that 90 day supply. I’ve been on my maintenance dose of one shot a month for a year and still maintaining my significant weight loss. Love it!


I’ve read the thread. The only upset people I see are the ones that get all worked up if someone alludes to their obesity being a self created problem. Which it largely is, but so are many many other medical issues we treat every day. The ER is filled with people that made bad choices. Your fault in your medical condition is generally not a variable in if you can get treatment. But the TOPIC that people are trying to discuss before being name called and accused of fat shaming and mental disorders is will the drug eliminate obesity. No it won’t. People will keep getting fatter until their Dr finally writes them the script. And them of all the obese people, likely most will never receive the script for various reasons. But I don’t see anyone changing how they eat (in general) so people will stay on the same trajectory toward obesity and then a small percentage will take meds and be able to lose a portion. That seems to be as good as it will get
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 09:17     Subject: Re:Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.


Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.


And what’s your solution for people who have been overweight since childhood, OP? People like me who were literally born hungry and struggle to this day? People like me who exercise and obsessively count calories (1,500 a day) so I can *just* be overweight and not obese?

Once again, since you seem to be very dense. These drugs are extremely expensive and getting your insurance to cover them is very difficult. They are not for casual dieters trying to shed a few pounds. They are for people who have tried, and failed, to lose weight the “old fashioned way” and who are experiencing significant health issues as a result of the added weight.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 08:59     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:30 pages in, still haven’t figured out why so many people upset about how overweight now have this great tool to lose weight. As someone listed upthread, where are these naysayers on the mental health/anxiety thread? Where are they on relationship thread when men talk about taking ED meds? Are they 30 pages deep on the health and medicine forum regarding BP and cholesterol management? Are they in the teen thread yelling at parents about Accutane for acne (yes, that’s only taken for about 6 months).

I mean why are y’all balls deep hating about these “miracle” drugs that will save millions of lives and result in better outcomes for millions of people? I mean I would just just say “If you like it, I love it”and move on. If diet and exercise works for some, great. If this works for some in a more efficient manner, even better. Sides effects are manageable and they really work on more than appetite suppression.

Who cares if they are long term medications. I certainly don’t. If staying on them for 10 years means I’m not fretting over calories and constantly thinking about food for 10 years, I will gladly wait for that 90 day supply. I’ve been on my maintenance dose of one shot a month for a year and still maintaining my significant weight loss. Love it!


It is in your head that anyone is “upset”

Really.


You clearly haven't read this whole thread, or been on FB,or reddit or tiktok. There are whole swaths of social media groups "upset" about overweight people having access to these meds. They are fanatical about how it Ozempic should only be for diabetics and how "Big Pharma" is the devil.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 08:34     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:30 pages in, still haven’t figured out why so many people upset about how overweight now have this great tool to lose weight. As someone listed upthread, where are these naysayers on the mental health/anxiety thread? Where are they on relationship thread when men talk about taking ED meds? Are they 30 pages deep on the health and medicine forum regarding BP and cholesterol management? Are they in the teen thread yelling at parents about Accutane for acne (yes, that’s only taken for about 6 months).

I mean why are y’all balls deep hating about these “miracle” drugs that will save millions of lives and result in better outcomes for millions of people? I mean I would just just say “If you like it, I love it”and move on. If diet and exercise works for some, great. If this works for some in a more efficient manner, even better. Sides effects are manageable and they really work on more than appetite suppression.

Who cares if they are long term medications. I certainly don’t. If staying on them for 10 years means I’m not fretting over calories and constantly thinking about food for 10 years, I will gladly wait for that 90 day supply. I’ve been on my maintenance dose of one shot a month for a year and still maintaining my significant weight loss. Love it!


It is in your head that anyone is “upset”

Really.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 08:29     Subject: Re:Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.


Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 04:06     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
30 pages in, still haven’t figured out why so many people upset about how overweight now have this great tool to lose weight. As someone listed upthread, where are these naysayers on the mental health/anxiety thread? Where are they on relationship thread when men talk about taking ED meds? Are they 30 pages deep on the health and medicine forum regarding BP and cholesterol management? Are they in the teen thread yelling at parents about Accutane for acne (yes, that’s only taken for about 6 months).

I mean why are y’all balls deep hating about these “miracle” drugs that will save millions of lives and result in better outcomes for millions of people? I mean I would just just say “If you like it, I love it”and move on. If diet and exercise works for some, great. If this works for some in a more efficient manner, even better. Sides effects are manageable and they really work on more than appetite suppression.

Who cares if they are long term medications. I certainly don’t. If staying on them for 10 years means I’m not fretting over calories and constantly thinking about food for 10 years, I will gladly wait for that 90 day supply. I’ve been on my maintenance dose of one shot a month for a year and still maintaining my significant weight loss. Love it!
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 02:16     Subject: Re:Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I loooove Ozempic. Down 60 pounds. Eat whatever I want. It’s truly a miracle.


Nothing is a miracle.


Tons of medications are, in fact, miraculous.


So far diet pills seem to be more or less a bust. Remember when they were pushing Phen Fen? Maybe this one is different?

Do we know if there are any long term risks with this drug?


First, these aren't pills. And second, these meds have been out for diabetes management for about 10 years, no significant long term risk except losing weight and possibly pancreatiitis.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2023 01:35     Subject: Re:Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.


+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?


The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.


That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.


I suppose you would see it that way. You can’t shake your reality; it hurts your perception of the world too much.

I genuinely wish you peace and healing. I am sorry you have to go through the world the way you do. It must be hard.


Maybe that's because many of the posters here are actually talking about reality, and that is something that you are unwilling to accept. We know what causes obesity, and it's well established. Despite claiming to be pro-science, you haven't shown a single study that disproves any of these posters. Kind of funny to read your posts that you think are so witty. They range from psychobabble to name calling, with a little bit of pseudo science mixed in. Too funny!


What causes obesity?


Born fat
or
Family history of a mysterious yet medically undiagnosable reason for not being able to lose weight.


Better give this poster the Nobel Prize stat.