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Anonymous wrote:I take COVID very seriously. On a mask break right now because I got COVID for the first time in November and I am taking advantage of having some short term immunity to clear up my face (the N95s and KN95s, no matter what brands I try, give me contact dermatitis so hoping a few weeks break will heal it, otherwise i depend on a steroid cream which I'm not willing to use long term).

I guess my question is, what is the end game. I too don't want recurrent infections but kind of feel fatalistic about it. I got it, despite not doing indoor dining, avoiding crowded places I didn't have to go to (like concerts, etc.) and masking with high quality masks if I went indoors, even just to grab mobile order starbucks. I think my teen brought it home, though she never tested positive. But I'm not willing to ban her from future homecoming dances, friends' houses etc. She has been good about masking in school but it's hard with peer pressure so this year we didn't push it and she doesn't mask every day/all day (and obviously eats lunch unmasked). she's very social, and even if we ban indoor dining, she is still going to friends houses etc. and we aren't willing to cut that off.

So it seems inevitable we'll get it again in the coming years. I think with boosters and common sense masking we can stave it off but I can't pretend that in the next 10 years I won't get COVID 1-2 more times. I guess for me it's just about harm reduction. Maybe I'll get 2-3 x vs. 6x and that will be better. I don't know.

I don't go on social media and say the sky is falling. I have felt better about recent studies showing long COVID is probably closer to 5% in vaxed people and most people's symptoms resolve within 3-6 months, with very few having symptoms at the year mark. It also seems like recurrent infections could be LESS dangerous for some populations - the Nature study that went viral was grossly misinterpreted by the media, it showed that if in older males (VA) who had COVID bad enough for it to be documented by the health system and then got it again bad enough to be documented, had worse outcomes, but that we shouldn't extrapolate that to the general population and some experts think that for many people, getting infected offers protective benefits for next time.

I think the end game is that COVID has spurred more research on post-viral issues (which also happen with other viruses) so hopefully people who get long COVID (and long other-viruses) will have access to effective therapies in the future. In the meantime we all have to make our own risk calculation, recognizing that social isolation and to a lesser extent masking have real negative impacts on mental and physical health.

Best advice I got about COVID was in 2020. I was agonizing about whether to send DD back to daycare and if so which one. We have a public health worker in our family and she said, without hesitation, to do what is best for our child's development. In our case that meant a child care center that happened to have two classes in the same room, so it felt a little irresponsible, but we have zero regrets. Of course, DH and I are low risk which means we are privileged that COVID prevention doesn't need to be a top priority. Unfortunately DD is at high risk for mental illness and that is something that has been a struggle.

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Anonymous wrote:What do expect people to do?
- Is it just about getting people to get a booster?
- wear a mask indefinitely (in which settings? A full day at school/work? Just the grocery store?)
- avoid any "optional" indoor social activities?
- Pull children out from in-person school/daycare?

1. Yes. Get your boosters.

2. Yes, wear a mask indoors in any setting that you know you will be encountering random people. It would be really nice of others to wear them in non-optional settings, like grocery stores, hospitals, doctors offices, and pharmacies, you know, where people with health issues have to go too. The masks are as much for your protection as to protect others. Not "indefinitely" only when cases are up, or during winter. In health care settings, yes, indefinitely.

3. Yes, avoid any "optional" indoor social activities, if you plan to be around older people or people with health issues. Otherwise, knock yourself out catching whatever is out there.

4. No, most kids are in daycare because they have to be.

So any child with elderly grandparents should avoid all "optional" indoor activities in the winter? That means weekends spent in windy cold weather or at home. I don't think you realize how extreme that is for families with young children. My parents who are very COVID cautious would never ask that of us.

Anonymous wrote:My parents wouldn’t ask for it but they sure as Hades do not want COVID. And at 75 years old, they are right.

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Anonymous wrote:What do expect people to do?
- Is it just about getting people to get a booster?
- wear a mask indefinitely (in which settings? A full day at school/work? Just the grocery store?)
- avoid any "optional" indoor social activities?
- Pull children out from in-person school/daycare?

1. Yes. Get your boosters.

2. Yes, wear a mask indoors in any setting that you know you will be encountering random people. It would be really nice of others to wear them in non-optional settings, like grocery stores, hospitals, doctors offices, and pharmacies, you know, where people with health issues have to go too. The masks are as much for your protection as to protect others. Not "indefinitely" only when cases are up, or during winter. In health care settings, yes, indefinitely.

3. Yes, avoid any "optional" indoor social activities, if you plan to be around older people or people with health issues. Otherwise, knock yourself out catching whatever is out there.

4. No, most kids are in daycare because they have to be.

Anonymous wrote:I take COVID very seriously. On a mask break right now because I got COVID for the first time in November and I am taking advantage of having some short term immunity to clear up my face (the N95s and KN95s, no matter what brands I try, give me contact dermatitis so hoping a few weeks break will heal it, otherwise i depend on a steroid cream which I'm not willing to use long term).

I guess my question is, what is the end game. I too don't want recurrent infections but kind of feel fatalistic about it. I got it, despite not doing indoor dining, avoiding crowded places I didn't have to go to (like concerts, etc.) and masking with high quality masks if I went indoors, even just to grab mobile order starbucks. I think my teen brought it home, though she never tested positive. But I'm not willing to ban her from future homecoming dances, friends' houses etc. She has been good about masking in school but it's hard with peer pressure so this year we didn't push it and she doesn't mask every day/all day (and obviously eats lunch unmasked). she's very social, and even if we ban indoor dining, she is still going to friends houses etc. and we aren't willing to cut that off.

So it seems inevitable we'll get it again in the coming years. I think with boosters and common sense masking we can stave it off but I can't pretend that in the next 10 years I won't get COVID 1-2 more times. I guess for me it's just about harm reduction. Maybe I'll get 2-3 x vs. 6x and that will be better. I don't know.

I don't go on social media and say the sky is falling. I have felt better about recent studies showing long COVID is probably closer to 5% in vaxed people and most people's symptoms resolve within 3-6 months, with very few having symptoms at the year mark. It also seems like recurrent infections could be LESS dangerous for some populations - the Nature study that went viral was grossly misinterpreted by the media, it showed that if in older males (VA) who had COVID bad enough for it to be documented by the health system and then got it again bad enough to be documented, had worse outcomes, but that we shouldn't extrapolate that to the general population and some experts think that for many people, getting infected offers protective benefits for next time.

Anonymous wrote:What do expect people to do?
- Is it just about getting people to get a booster?
- wear a mask indefinitely (in which settings? A full day at school/work? Just the grocery store?)
- avoid any "optional" indoor social activities?
- Pull children out from in-person school/daycare?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but the actions of people who are not taking precautions and infecting others with covid are simply not the fault of people who are taking precautions or warning about the potential long term health risks of covid.

It's been everyone for themselves for a while now. Someone else's bad behavior is their own fault, and not the fault of people who are warning others to be more careful. That's a neat trick! But since you don't want mask mandates and want people to be responsible for their own behavior, you also have to accept that people actually are responsible for their behavior. So strange for you to blame the careful people for the mass infection of others sheesh.

Don't be ridiculous. First of all, I have no problem with people who take precautions, and have never said that, and suggesting that I did is incredibly dishonest.

Second of all, spreading misinformation absolutely impacts people's behavior. When you flood Twitter and DCUM with posts about how COVID is ruining everyone's immune systems, when so many of us have had COVID and have:

A. fought off subsequent infections just fine
B. had our annual blood work several months after infection and everything looks fine
C. looked at the studies you cite and it turns out they apply to very specific populations

...we not only don't listen to you, but it creates fodder for right-wingers to make fun of you and make it easier for them to convince people that COVID is a government conspiracy or whatever.

Most people are not on either DCUM or Twitter, and if you claim not to listen to such posters, why engage so much? If you believe it's misinformation, do what the rest of us do and report it. You sound overly defensive about your own health. If you think it's all bs, why get into it so much?

As for the immune system, it's not a far fetched concern or a new spin on how to make people scared. Most people on here are couching the topic as plausible. not definitive. It's not misinformation to discuss it.

This is from August 2020 from the British Society for Immunology, and we now have a lot more data and better understanding of what might be happening:

Can COVID have long term effects on immune system?

It appears that SARS-CoV-2 can likely do long-term damage in different parts of the body, through direct effects of viral infection and tissue damage (fibrosis*), through collateral damage from excessive inflammation, through post-viral autoimmunity, and through the consequences of thrombotic complications.


This briefing note aims to summarise what we do and don’t currently know about the long-term immunological health
consequences of COVID-19 and sets out the key recommendations for future research. An asterisk (*) denotes words that
appear in the glossary (annex 2).
Exposure to the disease, COVID-19, causes symptoms in multiple organ systems across the body, and is not limited to
only the lungs and respiratory system as was originally thought. In addition, patients are reporting chronic symptoms,
such as fatigue and shortness of breath, that last for months after their original infection.
The immune system’s response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus is thought to play a part in the appearance of these symptoms,
rather than the virus itself, often through facilitating inflammation. This has the ability not only to exacerbate any
secondary conditions the patient already has, but also to cause them, as is the case with other viruses, and these may
persist for years.
The full extent of the prevalence of COVID-19 patients who go on to experience longer-term immunological health
consequences is not yet fully understood. However, the emerging need for COVID-19 follow-up clinics to treat these
chronic symptoms may place an additional burden on the health service.

https://www.immunology.org/sites/default/files/2022-09/BSI_Long_Term_Immunology_Health_Consequences_Covid-19.pdf

If there is more recent and better data, why aren't you posting that instead?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but the actions of people who are not taking precautions and infecting others with covid are simply not the fault of people who are taking precautions or warning about the potential long term health risks of covid.

It's been everyone for themselves for a while now. Someone else's bad behavior is their own fault, and not the fault of people who are warning others to be more careful. That's a neat trick! But since you don't want mask mandates and want people to be responsible for their own behavior, you also have to accept that people actually are responsible for their behavior. So strange for you to blame the careful people for the mass infection of others sheesh.

Don't be ridiculous. First of all, I have no problem with people who take precautions, and have never said that, and suggesting that I did is incredibly dishonest.

Second of all, spreading misinformation absolutely impacts people's behavior. When you flood Twitter and DCUM with posts about how COVID is ruining everyone's immune systems, when so many of us have had COVID and have:

A. fought off subsequent infections just fine
B. had our annual blood work several months after infection and everything looks fine
C. looked at the studies you cite and it turns out they apply to very specific populations

...we not only don't listen to you, but it creates fodder for right-wingers to make fun of you and make it easier for them to convince people that COVID is a government conspiracy or whatever.

Most people are not on either DCUM or Twitter, and if you claim not to listen to such posters, why engage so much? If you believe it's misinformation, do what the rest of us do and report it. You sound overly defensive about your own health. If you think it's all bs, why get into it so much?

As for the immune system, it's not a far fetched concern or a new spin on how to make people scared. Most people on here are couching the topic as plausible. not definitive. It's not misinformation to discuss it.

This is from August 2020 from the British Society for Immunology, and we now have a lot more data and better understanding of what might be happening:

Can COVID have long term effects on immune system?

It appears that SARS-CoV-2 can likely do long-term damage in different parts of the body, through direct effects of viral infection and tissue damage (fibrosis*), through collateral damage from excessive inflammation, through post-viral autoimmunity, and through the consequences of thrombotic complications.


This briefing note aims to summarise what we do and don’t currently know about the long-term immunological health
consequences of COVID-19 and sets out the key recommendations for future research. An asterisk (*) denotes words that
appear in the glossary (annex 2).
Exposure to the disease, COVID-19, causes symptoms in multiple organ systems across the body, and is not limited to
only the lungs and respiratory system as was originally thought. In addition, patients are reporting chronic symptoms,
such as fatigue and shortness of breath, that last for months after their original infection.
The immune system’s response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus is thought to play a part in the appearance of these symptoms,
rather than the virus itself, often through facilitating inflammation. This has the ability not only to exacerbate any
secondary conditions the patient already has, but also to cause them, as is the case with other viruses, and these may
persist for years.
The full extent of the prevalence of COVID-19 patients who go on to experience longer-term immunological health
consequences is not yet fully understood. However, the emerging need for COVID-19 follow-up clinics to treat these
chronic symptoms may place an additional burden on the health service.

https://www.immunology.org/sites/default/files/2022-09/BSI_Long_Term_Immunology_Health_Consequences_Covid-19.pdf

I know, I know, since you can't actually refute the specific points I made your only option is to call me "defensive". Btw if you talk to any reputable immunologist they will be very clear that just because some people's immune systems react in weird and scary ways to COVID, does NOT mean everyone's immune system is reacting this way. You can post all the studies (which you clearly don't understand) you want and say you're just "discussing" the possibility. I imagine you would not go online and post about how you as a non-engineer think bridges should be built and then demand public officials build bridges in that way because you have decided it is safer. Recognize your own ignorance, please. And yes there is a LOT of scaremongering and I don't think it's helpful to anyone except right-wing trolls.

Are you this condescending with people in real life? You are defensive and fancy yourself far more intelligent than everyone else. Unlike your bridge example (and my husband is a civil engineer, so nice analogy), no one is demanding that public officials make policy about our thoughts on immunity dysregulation. The tell with you is that you respond with "does NOT mean everyone's immune system is reacting this way". No one ever said it was.

"Oh I never said it would affect everyone's immune system! I was just warning you that you are a terrible parent because you haven't considered the possibility that multiple bouts of COVID will ruin their immune system."

I love how you lump a bunch of different people's comments to characterize me that way.

I think it is pretty rich for you to act all offended given how you have spoken to me.

Says this person repeatedly telling people to admit their ignorance and that they don't understand research the way you do. You are a discussion board try hard.

You're pissed because I pointed out you don't have subject matter expertise on the issues you seem determined to post incessantly on social media about? Sorry not sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but the actions of people who are not taking precautions and infecting others with covid are simply not the fault of people who are taking precautions or warning about the potential long term health risks of covid.

It's been everyone for themselves for a while now. Someone else's bad behavior is their own fault, and not the fault of people who are warning others to be more careful. That's a neat trick! But since you don't want mask mandates and want people to be responsible for their own behavior, you also have to accept that people actually are responsible for their behavior. So strange for you to blame the careful people for the mass infection of others sheesh.

Don't be ridiculous. First of all, I have no problem with people who take precautions, and have never said that, and suggesting that I did is incredibly dishonest.

Second of all, spreading misinformation absolutely impacts people's behavior. When you flood Twitter and DCUM with posts about how COVID is ruining everyone's immune systems, when so many of us have had COVID and have:

A. fought off subsequent infections just fine
B. had our annual blood work several months after infection and everything looks fine
C. looked at the studies you cite and it turns out they apply to very specific populations

...we not only don't listen to you, but it creates fodder for right-wingers to make fun of you and make it easier for them to convince people that COVID is a government conspiracy or whatever.

Most people are not on either DCUM or Twitter, and if you claim not to listen to such posters, why engage so much? If you believe it's misinformation, do what the rest of us do and report it. You sound overly defensive about your own health. If you think it's all bs, why get into it so much?

As for the immune system, it's not a far fetched concern or a new spin on how to make people scared. Most people on here are couching the topic as plausible. not definitive. It's not misinformation to discuss it.

This is from August 2020 from the British Society for Immunology, and we now have a lot more data and better understanding of what might be happening:

Can COVID have long term effects on immune system?

It appears that SARS-CoV-2 can likely do long-term damage in different parts of the body, through direct effects of viral infection and tissue damage (fibrosis*), through collateral damage from excessive inflammation, through post-viral autoimmunity, and through the consequences of thrombotic complications.


This briefing note aims to summarise what we do and don’t currently know about the long-term immunological health
consequences of COVID-19 and sets out the key recommendations for future research. An asterisk (*) denotes words that
appear in the glossary (annex 2).
Exposure to the disease, COVID-19, causes symptoms in multiple organ systems across the body, and is not limited to
only the lungs and respiratory system as was originally thought. In addition, patients are reporting chronic symptoms,
such as fatigue and shortness of breath, that last for months after their original infection.
The immune system’s response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus is thought to play a part in the appearance of these symptoms,
rather than the virus itself, often through facilitating inflammation. This has the ability not only to exacerbate any
secondary conditions the patient already has, but also to cause them, as is the case with other viruses, and these may
persist for years.
The full extent of the prevalence of COVID-19 patients who go on to experience longer-term immunological health
consequences is not yet fully understood. However, the emerging need for COVID-19 follow-up clinics to treat these
chronic symptoms may place an additional burden on the health service.

https://www.immunology.org/sites/default/files/2022-09/BSI_Long_Term_Immunology_Health_Consequences_Covid-19.pdf

If there is more recent and better data, why aren't you posting that instead?

Context to a previous response. The reason for the older data was to illustrate that this isn't a "new angle" to scare people.

Case and point that you don't understand the study you posted or what it is you are trying to refute (the idea that EVERYONE should be terrified of getting COVID because once you get infected multiple times your immune system will be shot). Yes, we know SOME people's immune systems react in weird and scary ways to COVID. Other viruses do that too.

You aren't saying anything contrary to what I have personally said. You appear to be referencing 22:29, which is not me.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but the actions of people who are not taking precautions and infecting others with covid are simply not the fault of people who are taking precautions or warning about the potential long term health risks of covid.

It's been everyone for themselves for a while now. Someone else's bad behavior is their own fault, and not the fault of people who are warning others to be more careful. That's a neat trick! But since you don't want mask mandates and want people to be responsible for their own behavior, you also have to accept that people actually are responsible for their behavior. So strange for you to blame the careful people for the mass infection of others sheesh.

Don't be ridiculous. First of all, I have no problem with people who take precautions, and have never said that, and suggesting that I did is incredibly dishonest.

Second of all, spreading misinformation absolutely impacts people's behavior. When you flood Twitter and DCUM with posts about how COVID is ruining everyone's immune systems, when so many of us have had COVID and have:

A. fought off subsequent infections just fine
B. had our annual blood work several months after infection and everything looks fine
C. looked at the studies you cite and it turns out they apply to very specific populations

...we not only don't listen to you, but it creates fodder for right-wingers to make fun of you and make it easier for them to convince people that COVID is a government conspiracy or whatever.

Most people are not on either DCUM or Twitter, and if you claim not to listen to such posters, why engage so much? If you believe it's misinformation, do what the rest of us do and report it. You sound overly defensive about your own health. If you think it's all bs, why get into it so much?

As for the immune system, it's not a far fetched concern or a new spin on how to make people scared. Most people on here are couching the topic as plausible. not definitive. It's not misinformation to discuss it.

This is from August 2020 from the British Society for Immunology, and we now have a lot more data and better understanding of what might be happening:

Can COVID have long term effects on immune system?

It appears that SARS-CoV-2 can likely do long-term damage in different parts of the body, through direct effects of viral infection and tissue damage (fibrosis*), through collateral damage from excessive inflammation, through post-viral autoimmunity, and through the consequences of thrombotic complications.


This briefing note aims to summarise what we do and don’t currently know about the long-term immunological health
consequences of COVID-19 and sets out the key recommendations for future research. An asterisk (*) denotes words that
appear in the glossary (annex 2).
Exposure to the disease, COVID-19, causes symptoms in multiple organ systems across the body, and is not limited to
only the lungs and respiratory system as was originally thought. In addition, patients are reporting chronic symptoms,
such as fatigue and shortness of breath, that last for months after their original infection.
The immune system’s response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus is thought to play a part in the appearance of these symptoms,
rather than the virus itself, often through facilitating inflammation. This has the ability not only to exacerbate any
secondary conditions the patient already has, but also to cause them, as is the case with other viruses, and these may
persist for years.
The full extent of the prevalence of COVID-19 patients who go on to experience longer-term immunological health
consequences is not yet fully understood. However, the emerging need for COVID-19 follow-up clinics to treat these
chronic symptoms may place an additional burden on the health service.

https://www.immunology.org/sites/default/files/2022-09/BSI_Long_Term_Immunology_Health_Consequences_Covid-19.pdf

I know, I know, since you can't actually refute the specific points I made your only option is to call me "defensive". Btw if you talk to any reputable immunologist they will be very clear that just because some people's immune systems react in weird and scary ways to COVID, does NOT mean everyone's immune system is reacting this way. You can post all the studies (which you clearly don't understand) you want and say you're just "discussing" the possibility. I imagine you would not go online and post about how you as a non-engineer think bridges should be built and then demand public officials build bridges in that way because you have decided it is safer. Recognize your own ignorance, please. And yes there is a LOT of scaremongering and I don't think it's helpful to anyone except right-wing trolls.

Are you this condescending with people in real life? You are defensive and fancy yourself far more intelligent than everyone else. Unlike your bridge example (and my husband is a civil engineer, so nice analogy), no one is demanding that public officials make policy about our thoughts on immunity dysregulation. The tell with you is that you respond with "does NOT mean everyone's immune system is reacting this way". No one ever said it was.

"Oh I never said it would affect everyone's immune system! I was just warning you that you are a terrible parent because you haven't considered the possibility that multiple bouts of COVID will ruin their immune system."

I love how you lump a bunch of different people's comments to characterize me that way.

I think it is pretty rich for you to act all offended given how you have spoken to me.

Says this person repeatedly telling people to admit their ignorance and that they don't understand research the way you do. You are a discussion board try hard.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but the actions of people who are not taking precautions and infecting others with covid are simply not the fault of people who are taking precautions or warning about the potential long term health risks of covid.

It's been everyone for themselves for a while now. Someone else's bad behavior is their own fault, and not the fault of people who are warning others to be more careful. That's a neat trick! But since you don't want mask mandates and want people to be responsible for their own behavior, you also have to accept that people actually are responsible for their behavior. So strange for you to blame the careful people for the mass infection of others sheesh.

Don't be ridiculous. First of all, I have no problem with people who take precautions, and have never said that, and suggesting that I did is incredibly dishonest.

Second of all, spreading misinformation absolutely impacts people's behavior. When you flood Twitter and DCUM with posts about how COVID is ruining everyone's immune systems, when so many of us have had COVID and have:

A. fought off subsequent infections just fine
B. had our annual blood work several months after infection and everything looks fine
C. looked at the studies you cite and it turns out they apply to very specific populations

...we not only don't listen to you, but it creates fodder for right-wingers to make fun of you and make it easier for them to convince people that COVID is a government conspiracy or whatever.

Most people are not on either DCUM or Twitter, and if you claim not to listen to such posters, why engage so much? If you believe it's misinformation, do what the rest of us do and report it. You sound overly defensive about your own health. If you think it's all bs, why get into it so much?

As for the immune system, it's not a far fetched concern or a new spin on how to make people scared. Most people on here are couching the topic as plausible. not definitive. It's not misinformation to discuss it.

This is from August 2020 from the British Society for Immunology, and we now have a lot more data and better understanding of what might be happening:

Can COVID have long term effects on immune system?

It appears that SARS-CoV-2 can likely do long-term damage in different parts of the body, through direct effects of viral infection and tissue damage (fibrosis*), through collateral damage from excessive inflammation, through post-viral autoimmunity, and through the consequences of thrombotic complications.


This briefing note aims to summarise what we do and don’t currently know about the long-term immunological health
consequences of COVID-19 and sets out the key recommendations for future research. An asterisk (*) denotes words that
appear in the glossary (annex 2).
Exposure to the disease, COVID-19, causes symptoms in multiple organ systems across the body, and is not limited to
only the lungs and respiratory system as was originally thought. In addition, patients are reporting chronic symptoms,
such as fatigue and shortness of breath, that last for months after their original infection.
The immune system’s response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus is thought to play a part in the appearance of these symptoms,
rather than the virus itself, often through facilitating inflammation. This has the ability not only to exacerbate any
secondary conditions the patient already has, but also to cause them, as is the case with other viruses, and these may
persist for years.
The full extent of the prevalence of COVID-19 patients who go on to experience longer-term immunological health
consequences is not yet fully understood. However, the emerging need for COVID-19 follow-up clinics to treat these
chronic symptoms may place an additional burden on the health service.

https://www.immunology.org/sites/default/files/2022-09/BSI_Long_Term_Immunology_Health_Consequences_Covid-19.pdf

If there is more recent and better data, why aren't you posting that instead?

Context to a previous response. The reason for the older data was to illustrate that this isn't a "new angle" to scare people.

Case and point that you don't understand the study you posted or what it is you are trying to refute (the idea that EVERYONE should be terrified of getting COVID because once you get infected multiple times your immune system will be shot). Yes, we know SOME people's immune systems react in weird and scary ways to COVID. Other viruses do that too.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but the actions of people who are not taking precautions and infecting others with covid are simply not the fault of people who are taking precautions or warning about the potential long term health risks of covid.

It's been everyone for themselves for a while now. Someone else's bad behavior is their own fault, and not the fault of people who are warning others to be more careful. That's a neat trick! But since you don't want mask mandates and want people to be responsible for their own behavior, you also have to accept that people actually are responsible for their behavior. So strange for you to blame the careful people for the mass infection of others sheesh.

Don't be ridiculous. First of all, I have no problem with people who take precautions, and have never said that, and suggesting that I did is incredibly dishonest.

Second of all, spreading misinformation absolutely impacts people's behavior. When you flood Twitter and DCUM with posts about how COVID is ruining everyone's immune systems, when so many of us have had COVID and have:

A. fought off subsequent infections just fine
B. had our annual blood work several months after infection and everything looks fine
C. looked at the studies you cite and it turns out they apply to very specific populations

...we not only don't listen to you, but it creates fodder for right-wingers to make fun of you and make it easier for them to convince people that COVID is a government conspiracy or whatever.

Most people are not on either DCUM or Twitter, and if you claim not to listen to such posters, why engage so much? If you believe it's misinformation, do what the rest of us do and report it. You sound overly defensive about your own health. If you think it's all bs, why get into it so much?

As for the immune system, it's not a far fetched concern or a new spin on how to make people scared. Most people on here are couching the topic as plausible. not definitive. It's not misinformation to discuss it.

This is from August 2020 from the British Society for Immunology, and we now have a lot more data and better understanding of what might be happening:

Can COVID have long term effects on immune system?

It appears that SARS-CoV-2 can likely do long-term damage in different parts of the body, through direct effects of viral infection and tissue damage (fibrosis*), through collateral damage from excessive inflammation, through post-viral autoimmunity, and through the consequences of thrombotic complications.


This briefing note aims to summarise what we do and don’t currently know about the long-term immunological health
consequences of COVID-19 and sets out the key recommendations for future research. An asterisk (*) denotes words that
appear in the glossary (annex 2).
Exposure to the disease, COVID-19, causes symptoms in multiple organ systems across the body, and is not limited to
only the lungs and respiratory system as was originally thought. In addition, patients are reporting chronic symptoms,
such as fatigue and shortness of breath, that last for months after their original infection.
The immune system’s response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus is thought to play a part in the appearance of these symptoms,
rather than the virus itself, often through facilitating inflammation. This has the ability not only to exacerbate any
secondary conditions the patient already has, but also to cause them, as is the case with other viruses, and these may
persist for years.
The full extent of the prevalence of COVID-19 patients who go on to experience longer-term immunological health
consequences is not yet fully understood. However, the emerging need for COVID-19 follow-up clinics to treat these
chronic symptoms may place an additional burden on the health service.

https://www.immunology.org/sites/default/files/2022-09/BSI_Long_Term_Immunology_Health_Consequences_Covid-19.pdf

I know, I know, since you can't actually refute the specific points I made your only option is to call me "defensive". Btw if you talk to any reputable immunologist they will be very clear that just because some people's immune systems react in weird and scary ways to COVID, does NOT mean everyone's immune system is reacting this way. You can post all the studies (which you clearly don't understand) you want and say you're just "discussing" the possibility. I imagine you would not go online and post about how you as a non-engineer think bridges should be built and then demand public officials build bridges in that way because you have decided it is safer. Recognize your own ignorance, please. And yes there is a LOT of scaremongering and I don't think it's helpful to anyone except right-wing trolls.

Are you this condescending with people in real life? You are defensive and fancy yourself far more intelligent than everyone else. Unlike your bridge example (and my husband is a civil engineer, so nice analogy), no one is demanding that public officials make policy about our thoughts on immunity dysregulation. The tell with you is that you respond with "does NOT mean everyone's immune system is reacting this way". No one ever said it was.

"Oh I never said it would affect everyone's immune system! I was just warning you that you are a terrible parent because you haven't considered the possibility that multiple bouts of COVID will ruin their immune system."

I love how you lump a bunch of different people's comments to characterize me that way.

I think it is pretty rich for you to act all offended given how you have spoken to me.