Anonymous
05/03/2022 08:08
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous
05/03/2022 08:08
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't think this helps Republicans in the long run. This has been the thing they have dangled over their base for a long time. If Roe goes away, then a certain chunk of the base who were single issue voters on abortion can actually start considering other things and may vote differently. How many religious women in particular held their noses and voted Trump because he was the pro-life candidate? I know at least a couple. They hate Trump and would gladly vote for a Democrat if abortion were no longer an issue to be debated.
I hate that this is happening but I would consider it a good thing for right wing politicians to not be able to use it as a wedge issue anymore.
No, but that wash post article about trying to pass a law to ban it nation wide is the next step for republicans. They will continue to find another issue to consume people.
It will be interesting to see how candidates answer questions about that. Most Republican politicians have been saying they think it should be up to the states. I wonder how many will want to be on record saying they support a nationwide ban. Certainly the hard core right wingers in super red areas can say this but hard to publicly support that if you need independents and moderates to win.
Anonymous
05/03/2022 08:08
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now it'll be entirely unclear if Republicans will win in the midterms. They picked a really great time to rock the boat on a super charged issue that will absolutely rally the Democrat base to get out and vote.
I'd agree more with this sentiment if it wasn't for the fact that we have record inflation and a looming recession on our hands, along with the possibility of greater involvement in Ukraine. I'd wager the typical voter will prioritize these concerns over abortion come November.
Abortion has been a priority issue for voting for many years for many people.
Anonymous
05/03/2022 08:06
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't think this helps Republicans in the long run. This has been the thing they have dangled over their base for a long time. If Roe goes away, then a certain chunk of the base who were single issue voters on abortion can actually start considering other things and may vote differently. How many religious women in particular held their noses and voted Trump because he was the pro-life candidate? I know at least a couple. They hate Trump and would gladly vote for a Democrat if abortion were no longer an issue to be debated.
I hate that this is happening but I would consider it a good thing for right wing politicians to not be able to use it as a wedge issue anymore.
No, but that wash post article about trying to pass a law to ban it nation wide is the next step for republicans. They will continue to find another issue to consume people.
Look all the privacy protections are gone- birth control, gay rights, etc. We no long have a right to privacy. The Supreme is a radical and unaccountable government branch. It is time for massive reforms including increasing the court to 120 and making them stand for election.
Anonymous
05/03/2022 08:06
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Now it'll be entirely unclear if Republicans will win in the midterms. They picked a really great time to rock the boat on a super charged issue that will absolutely rally the Democrat base to get out and vote.
I'd agree more with this sentiment if it wasn't for the fact that we have record inflation and a looming recession on our hands, along with the possibility of greater involvement in Ukraine. I'd wager the typical voter will prioritize these concerns over abortion come November.
Anonymous
05/03/2022 08:06
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The court is self governing and doesn't have rules about this. I am sorry, if one justice can participate in a coup against the country and not hasve to recuse themselves from related cases, then I don't GAF about this.
See how shattering norms and rules works?
I find it difficult to believe SCOTUS has no rules to protect its deliberative process.
I have heard former SCOTUS clerks say they were warned on the first day of the job that leaking opinions would not be tolerated and would end in dismissal and disbarment. So, I do believe they have rules.
Add to that the fact that no opinion has ever been leaked before.
This person needs to be identified immediately and dealt with. This is unacceptable.
So you’re more concerned with the leak than the fact that SCOTUS doing away with right to privacy? Good stuff.
Yes, I actually am. And, they are NOT doing away with the right to privacy if this report is accurate.
They are not even making abortion illegal. They are returning the decision to the people.... to be decided by the state officials elected by the people.
A breach such as this is actually an insurrection on the court. It is appalling and needs to be addressed immediately.
Wow, did you come up with that yourself? It’s privacy:
You mean like trying to force a vaccine card? Where was the right to privacy then?
That's public health. We've had that before there was a country.
Read more before posting.
Not quite
Anonymous
Anonymous
05/03/2022 08:02
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:I don't think this helps Republicans in the long run. This has been the thing they have dangled over their base for a long time. If Roe goes away, then a certain chunk of the base who were single issue voters on abortion can actually start considering other things and may vote differently. How many religious women in particular held their noses and voted Trump because he was the pro-life candidate? I know at least a couple. They hate Trump and would gladly vote for a Democrat if abortion were no longer an issue to be debated.
I hate that this is happening but I would consider it a good thing for right wing politicians to not be able to use it as a wedge issue anymore.
No, but that wash post article about trying to pass a law to ban it nation wide is the next step for republicans. They will continue to find another issue to consume people.
Anonymous
05/03/2022 08:01
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The court is self governing and doesn't have rules about this. I am sorry, if one justice can participate in a coup against the country and not hasve to recuse themselves from related cases, then I don't GAF about this.
See how shattering norms and rules works?
I find it difficult to believe SCOTUS has no rules to protect its deliberative process.
I have heard former SCOTUS clerks say they were warned on the first day of the job that leaking opinions would not be tolerated and would end in dismissal and disbarment. So, I do believe they have rules.
Add to that the fact that no opinion has ever been leaked before.
This person needs to be identified immediately and dealt with. This is unacceptable.
So you’re more concerned with the leak than the fact that SCOTUS doing away with right to privacy? Good stuff.
Yes, I actually am. And, they are NOT doing away with the right to privacy if this report is accurate.
They are not even making abortion illegal. They are returning the decision to the people.... to be decided by the state officials elected by the people.
A breach such as this is actually an insurrection on the court. It is appalling and needs to be addressed immediately.
Excellent summary. Exactly correct.
+1
Many people are too emotionally charged over the draft opinion to comprehend what it actually means, and to comprehend the damage that was inflicted upon the court by the leak.
The Court was already damaged.
It’s partisan and impacts the lives of Americans more than Congress does.
So, if the Court had decided (or decides ultimately) to uphold Roe, would you still be saying that it's damaged? Are you only saying this because the Court may issue an opinion with which you disagree?
When the Court is wildly out of step with the country, that's a problem.
This ruling is a problem. The Court is broken. Sotomayor was right. Roberts was right.
+1
The nomination process is broken. Justices openly lie to Congress.
Justices don’t properly recuse themselves.
The court is broken.
It's only broken if it doesn't rule the way you want it to, right?
It is broken because one of the justices is involved in the insurrection, and three others have lied under oath about upholding precedent. It is broken.
Anonymous
05/03/2022 07:59
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The court is self governing and doesn't have rules about this. I am sorry, if one justice can participate in a coup against the country and not hasve to recuse themselves from related cases, then I don't GAF about this.
See how shattering norms and rules works?
I find it difficult to believe SCOTUS has no rules to protect its deliberative process.
I have heard former SCOTUS clerks say they were warned on the first day of the job that leaking opinions would not be tolerated and would end in dismissal and disbarment. So, I do believe they have rules.
Add to that the fact that no opinion has ever been leaked before.
This person needs to be identified immediately and dealt with. This is unacceptable.
So you’re more concerned with the leak than the fact that SCOTUS doing away with right to privacy? Good stuff.
Yes, I actually am. And, they are NOT doing away with the right to privacy if this report is accurate.
They are not even making abortion illegal. They are returning the decision to the people.... to be decided by the state officials elected by the people.
A breach such as this is actually an insurrection on the court. It is appalling and needs to be addressed immediately.
Excellent summary. Exactly correct.
+1
Many people are too emotionally charged over the draft opinion to comprehend what it actually means, and to comprehend the damage that was inflicted upon the court by the leak.
The Court was already damaged.
It’s partisan and impacts the lives of Americans more than Congress does.
So, if the Court had decided (or decides ultimately) to uphold Roe, would you still be saying that it's damaged? Are you only saying this because the Court may issue an opinion with which you disagree?
Yes.
No.
Anything else?
Lol. Sure.
Anonymous
05/03/2022 07:59
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The court is self governing and doesn't have rules about this. I am sorry, if one justice can participate in a coup against the country and not hasve to recuse themselves from related cases, then I don't GAF about this.
See how shattering norms and rules works?
I find it difficult to believe SCOTUS has no rules to protect its deliberative process.
I have heard former SCOTUS clerks say they were warned on the first day of the job that leaking opinions would not be tolerated and would end in dismissal and disbarment. So, I do believe they have rules.
Add to that the fact that no opinion has ever been leaked before.
This person needs to be identified immediately and dealt with. This is unacceptable.
So you’re more concerned with the leak than the fact that SCOTUS doing away with right to privacy? Good stuff.
Yes, I actually am. And, they are NOT doing away with the right to privacy if this report is accurate.
They are not even making abortion illegal. They are returning the decision to the people.... to be decided by the state officials elected by the people.
A breach such as this is actually an insurrection on the court. It is appalling and needs to be addressed immediately.
Excellent summary. Exactly correct.
+1
Many people are too emotionally charged over the draft opinion to comprehend what it actually means, and to comprehend the damage that was inflicted upon the court by the leak.
The Court was already damaged.
It’s partisan and impacts the lives of Americans more than Congress does.
So, if the Court had decided (or decides ultimately) to uphold Roe, would you still be saying that it's damaged? Are you only saying this because the Court may issue an opinion with which you disagree?
When the Court is wildly out of step with the country, that's a problem.
This ruling is a problem. The Court is broken. Sotomayor was right. Roberts was right.
+1
The nomination process is broken. Justices openly lie to Congress.
Justices don’t properly recuse themselves.
The court is broken.
It's only broken if it doesn't rule the way you want it to, right?
No. It’s broken because of unprecedented judicial activism.
Anonymous
05/03/2022 07:57
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The court is self governing and doesn't have rules about this. I am sorry, if one justice can participate in a coup against the country and not hasve to recuse themselves from related cases, then I don't GAF about this.
See how shattering norms and rules works?
I find it difficult to believe SCOTUS has no rules to protect its deliberative process.
I have heard former SCOTUS clerks say they were warned on the first day of the job that leaking opinions would not be tolerated and would end in dismissal and disbarment. So, I do believe they have rules.
Add to that the fact that no opinion has ever been leaked before.
This person needs to be identified immediately and dealt with. This is unacceptable.
So you’re more concerned with the leak than the fact that SCOTUS doing away with right to privacy? Good stuff.
Yes, I actually am. And, they are NOT doing away with the right to privacy if this report is accurate.
They are not even making abortion illegal. They are returning the decision to the people.... to be decided by the state officials elected by the people.
A breach such as this is actually an insurrection on the court. It is appalling and needs to be addressed immediately.
Excellent summary. Exactly correct.
+1
Many people are too emotionally charged over the draft opinion to comprehend what it actually means, and to comprehend the damage that was inflicted upon the court by the leak.
The Court was already damaged.
It’s partisan and impacts the lives of Americans more than Congress does.
So, if the Court had decided (or decides ultimately) to uphold Roe, would you still be saying that it's damaged? Are you only saying this because the Court may issue an opinion with which you disagree?
When the Court is wildly out of step with the country, that's a problem.
This ruling is a problem. The Court is broken. Sotomayor was right. Roberts was right.
+1
The nomination process is broken. Justices openly lie to Congress.
Justices don’t properly recuse themselves.
The court is broken.
It's only broken if it doesn't rule the way you want it to, right?
Anonymous
05/03/2022 07:54
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Politico has seen the 98-page draft opinion. No, they’re not going to say that when they haven’t. Yes, it was effing leaked.
So, here is what we do:
Every sexually active woman in America: STOP F'cking your BF, lover, husband RIGHT NOW and make it clear : NO SEX for you EVER AGAIN unless this decision is re- written
No Congressman, Senator, Lobbyist, Lawyer in Washington is getting any PuXXy EVER AGAIN unless this legal draft is ABORTED
If men think THEY can control what We as Women do with OUR BODIES then , literally, teach them the lesson of what we can DENY THEM
The problem with that is about 1/2 the women in this country support the ruling based on voting history.
Well half do not along with millions of men. You all better out there and vote for some representation that will fight for your rights and those of your son's and daughters.
Anonymous
05/03/2022 07:49
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Politico has seen the 98-page draft opinion. No, they’re not going to say that when they haven’t. Yes, it was effing leaked.
So, here is what we do:
Every sexually active woman in America: STOP F'cking your BF, lover, husband RIGHT NOW and make it clear : NO SEX for you EVER AGAIN unless this decision is re- written
No Congressman, Senator, Lobbyist, Lawyer in Washington is getting any PuXXy EVER AGAIN unless this legal draft is ABORTED
If men think THEY can control what We as Women do with OUR BODIES then , literally, teach them the lesson of what we can DENY THEM
The problem with that is about 1/2 the women in this country support the ruling based on voting history.
Anonymous
05/03/2022 07:48
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The court is self governing and doesn't have rules about this. I am sorry, if one justice can participate in a coup against the country and not hasve to recuse themselves from related cases, then I don't GAF about this.
See how shattering norms and rules works?
I find it difficult to believe SCOTUS has no rules to protect its deliberative process.
I have heard former SCOTUS clerks say they were warned on the first day of the job that leaking opinions would not be tolerated and would end in dismissal and disbarment. So, I do believe they have rules.
Add to that the fact that no opinion has ever been leaked before.
This person needs to be identified immediately and dealt with. This is unacceptable.
So you’re more concerned with the leak than the fact that SCOTUS doing away with right to privacy? Good stuff.
Yes, I actually am. And, they are NOT doing away with the right to privacy if this report is accurate.
They are not even making abortion illegal. They are returning the decision to the people.... to be decided by the state officials elected by the people.
A breach such as this is actually an insurrection on the court. It is appalling and needs to be addressed immediately.
Excellent summary. Exactly correct.
+1
Many people are too emotionally charged over the draft opinion to comprehend what it actually means, and to comprehend the damage that was inflicted upon the court by the leak.
The Court was already damaged.
It’s partisan and impacts the lives of Americans more than Congress does.
So, if the Court had decided (or decides ultimately) to uphold Roe, would you still be saying that it's damaged? Are you only saying this because the Court may issue an opinion with which you disagree?
When the Court is wildly out of step with the country, that's a problem.
This ruling is a problem. The Court is broken. Sotomayor was right. Roberts was right.
The Court is not designed to simply “go with the flow” of popular public opinion.
it was put in place (in recent years) to do exactly this - overturn Roe v Wade. We shouldn't be surprised.
Yes, this has been the long play.
McConnell blocking nomination.
Kennedy deal to retire.
Three judicial nominees blatantly lying to Congress.
Back channel activism via spouses.
And moderate dems giving them the thumbs up.