Anonymous
06/03/2011 12:50
Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
11:58 That should be reflected on the report card and comments.
Thus, I think combination of tests scores and report card should be the primary measures instead of additional numbered GBRS rating. Test scores show natural giftedness/intelligece and report card shows how she/he does in class academically.
Thus, I think combination of tests scores and report card should be the primary measures instead of additional numbered GBRS rating. Test scores show natural giftedness/intelligece and report card shows how she/he does in class academically.
Anonymous
06/03/2011 12:20
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
11:58 glad to know. I am pretty sure all the aap kids who got in the first filtration are exactly like your daughter!
Anonymous
06/03/2011 12:04
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
I have seen numerous comments about "appeal students" bringing down AAP and being on the bottom and bringing "down" GT. So do any of the negative commenters have proof that this is so or is just your own pessimistic speculation? How do any of you know who is in on appeal or got in during the regular selection? How do you know that the "bottom of AAP" kids in on appeal?? Only the classrom teacher might, just might know that or the principal of the center but no one in the general population. I would also hope that if a child gets into AAP, whether on appeal or through initial selection, and is not doing well that the parent would be wise enough to pull the child back to the base school.
Anonymous
06/03/2011 11:58
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
If you had a child who did this, you wouldn't even have to ask this question. When her 2nd grade class had to pick an animal to study and make a poster board display of, she chose bears. Not just one species, like the assignment called for but 11 different ones, because she found their differing habits interesting. And she presented all of them on her presentation, noting their similarities and differences.
And, no, we did not help her with her display. She is not the best artist nor is her handwriting noteworthy, and it definately showed.
I can't say the same for the kids whose parents made boardroom ready computer generated displays.
And, no, we did not help her with her display. She is not the best artist nor is her handwriting noteworthy, and it definately showed.
I can't say the same for the kids whose parents made boardroom ready computer generated displays.
Anonymous
06/03/2011 11:55
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think people are crazy to push so hard to get into AAP. Many of these kids will probably make up the bottom 1/2 of any AAP classroom. Better their child than mine.
Appeals account for no more than 10% of AAP. That is it. It is not the bottom half, rather, perhaps (on average) 1-3 kids per class. The committee reviews about 4000 kids for AAP in the original cutoff, or about 30% of all 2nd graders (12500 second graders in AAP). Of those 4000, 2000 or so are admitted, or about 15% of the kids. Of the 2000 not admitted, approximately 20% appeal, resulting in 400 applications to review. Half of the appeals are successful, leaving 200.
No need to tell her/him facts.
Anonymous
06/03/2011 11:54
Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:I am curious to see your second grade kid who is doing "in depth analysis of topics". or is it his/her mom who is doing the analysis?
That's why I think they just need to get rid of the parent submitted work samples and even the parent questionnaire. Waste of time.
Anonymous
06/03/2011 11:53
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:I think people are crazy to push so hard to get into AAP. Many of these kids will probably make up the bottom 1/2 of any AAP classroom. Better their child than mine.
Appeals account for no more than 10% of AAP. That is it. It is not the bottom half, rather, perhaps (on average) 1-3 kids per class. The committee reviews about 4000 kids for AAP in the original cutoff, or about 30% of all 2nd graders (12500 second graders in AAP). Of those 4000, 2000 or so are admitted, or about 15% of the kids. Of the 2000 not admitted, approximately 20% appeal, resulting in 400 applications to review. Half of the appeals are successful, leaving 200.
Anonymous
06/03/2011 11:42
Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
I am curious to see your second grade kid who is doing "in depth analysis of topics". or is it his/her mom who is doing the analysis?
Anonymous
06/03/2011 11:42
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:All aap placements should be by teacher recommendations only and be for kids who are
1. Mastering the current curriculum well ahead of peers
2.Interested and demonstrates a desire to participate, in more in depth analysis of topics covered in class
3.Is self motivated and has exemplary classroom skills and behaviors.
4.Would definately benefit from a faster, more advanced curriculum.
How many of you whiny parents can say that about your kid without using the "the teacher just doesn't know my kid, or know how smart he is, or know him like we do, or doesn't like him, or is biased, or he was having a bad day when they tested....blah blah blah One excuse after another. Good grief. Get a life and support your child in his current environment before you insist he be put in a faster one with all your excuses. So Pathetic.
Why not just use the report card. Those kind of kids should get mostly O's.
I trust test scores more. Anyways that's why they look at all of them, and there's the appeal process.
I'm percfectly fine with the overall process.
Anonymous
06/03/2011 11:33
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
All aap placements should be by teacher recommendations only and be for kids who are
1. Mastering the current curriculum well ahead of peers
2.Interested and demonstrates a desire to participate, in more in depth analysis of topics covered in class
3.Is self motivated and has exemplary classroom skills and behaviors.
4.Would definately benefit from a faster, more advanced curriculum.
How many of you whiny parents can say that about your kid without using the "the teacher just doesn't know my kid, or know how smart he is, or know him like we do, or doesn't like him, or is biased, or he was having a bad day when they tested....blah blah blah One excuse after another. Good grief. Get a life and support your child in his current environment before you insist he be put in a faster one with all your excuses. So Pathetic.
1. Mastering the current curriculum well ahead of peers
2.Interested and demonstrates a desire to participate, in more in depth analysis of topics covered in class
3.Is self motivated and has exemplary classroom skills and behaviors.
4.Would definately benefit from a faster, more advanced curriculum.
How many of you whiny parents can say that about your kid without using the "the teacher just doesn't know my kid, or know how smart he is, or know him like we do, or doesn't like him, or is biased, or he was having a bad day when they tested....blah blah blah One excuse after another. Good grief. Get a life and support your child in his current environment before you insist he be put in a faster one with all your excuses. So Pathetic.
Anonymous
06/03/2011 11:15
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:spoken like a parent with an entitlement complex whose kid had a mediocre gbrs score.
You must be so proud
No complex because GBRS is the only one disagree with all the other sources including NNAT, CogAt, WISC, WCJ, Report card.
Anonymous
06/03/2011 11:09
Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:I think they should take the GBRS into account more. It is the only thing that measures actual performance. There should be a hard cut-off at around 10 or 11.
We should back up the teachers because they are the ones in the classroom all day and can really see how a child performs. Those GBRS categories do really get at the traits needed for academic success. Does anyone think it asks the wrong questions?
Strongly disagree. I think GBRS is the most subjective, biased, and inconsistent source.
Varies teacher by teather and school by school. Report card seems even better source than GBRS for academic success.
Anonymous
06/03/2011 11:02
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
spoken like a parent with an entitlement complex whose kid had a mediocre gbrs score.
You must be so proud
You must be so proud
Anonymous
06/03/2011 11:00
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:I think people are crazy to push so hard to get into AAP. Many of these kids will probably make up the bottom 1/2 of any AAP classroom. Better their child than mine.
Following standard procedures by the County is not 'crazy to push'.
IMO the kids got in with appeal with more information are better proved to be AAP eligible.
More the information better the evaluation. There could be kids got in the first round with inflated inconsistent GBRS.
Anonymous
06/03/2011 10:49
Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
New information is needed because there could be errors on the orginial information.
For example, mistake(subjective biased inconsistency) on GBRS ratings or really bad day(for example sick) on the test day.
For example, mistake(subjective biased inconsistency) on GBRS ratings or really bad day(for example sick) on the test day.