Anonymous
Post 02/11/2022 06:52     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A thread on the new information that has come out about Kamila Valieva:

https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/1491976679278977024?s=20&t=R5C7uMMUh--nrs92tdQXCQ

I mean... you can't make this stuff up. So, the organization with the jurisdiction to determine whether Kamila could or could not compete was... Russia's anti-doping organization (RUSADA). Russia can't compete as Russia in the Olympics because of their state-sponsored doping! It's honestly laughable.

Thankfully the ITA is appealing the decision but who knows how long it will take. Will she be allowed to compete next week while still under investigation with the possibility of her medal being taken away at a later date? I just got a New York Times notification about this so it has definitely gone mainstream. There's no way she can skate under these circumstances, right?! Can you imagine what that would be like? What a mess.


This poor girl. 15 years old, by herself without her parents, in another country, with only an abusive coach that probably gave her illegal drugs meant for adults, at the center of an international scandal.


I didn’t really appreciate how young she is until I saw a picture of her without her stage makeup on. She’s little more than a child.

She’ll still win gold. It may or may not be taken away at a later date. In a year we’ll see the next crop of 14 year olds from Russia come up and be the new phenoms and she’ll be done with skating at the age of 19. No opportunity to mature in the sport, but who cares, right? Quads!!
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 23:39     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A thread on the new information that has come out about Kamila Valieva:

https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/1491976679278977024?s=20&t=R5C7uMMUh--nrs92tdQXCQ

I mean... you can't make this stuff up. So, the organization with the jurisdiction to determine whether Kamila could or could not compete was... Russia's anti-doping organization (RUSADA). Russia can't compete as Russia in the Olympics because of their state-sponsored doping! It's honestly laughable.

Thankfully the ITA is appealing the decision but who knows how long it will take. Will she be allowed to compete next week while still under investigation with the possibility of her medal being taken away at a later date? I just got a New York Times notification about this so it has definitely gone mainstream. There's no way she can skate under these circumstances, right?! Can you imagine what that would be like? What a mess.


This poor girl. 15 years old, by herself without her parents, in another country, with only an abusive coach that probably gave her illegal drugs meant for adults, at the center of an international scandal.


This is probably her only chance at a medal, too...both the gold and silver medalists from russia from 2018 are retired...one of them is only 19 but quit when she was 17.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 23:38     Subject: 2022 Olympics
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Anonymous wrote:Watching this Mikaela Shiffrin interview is weird. She seems all over the place and sounds...off.


She has never been a smooth talker. I feel really bad for her. She blames herself for other people being let down. That really sucks. She is so humble and grateful in regards to the support she has gotten.


They announced she wouldn't do any more media yesterday. They should have stuck with that. And the interviewer should have cut it off earlier, he kept pushing it.

I am in awe of her skiing, but she needs some media training.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 23:33     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
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Anonymous wrote:The skating debate is a lot like the gymnastics debate. I think we've sacrificed so much beauty in gymnastics due to the focus on harder and harder tricks. I think it's why Sunisa Lee became such a fan favorite ... she really combines the artistry and the tricks. (And her bars moves actually remind me a little of Jason Brown's jumping.)


+1. I almost don't like to watch women's Olympic gymnastics now. It stresses me out. And what they are attempting is so difficult they look stressed out and there are tons of mistakes, falls, etc.



agreed

and seriously, NO MORE WOLF TURNS


Yes, I hate the wolf turn!


Unfortunately you won’t stop seeing them unless the code of points changes. They’re absurdly highly valued.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 23:31     Subject: 2022 Olympics
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Anonymous wrote:Figure skater Jason Brown is a beautiful skater. Stick to triples. I’d rather watch a well executed, perfect routine with no wobbles, falls, etc. Tired of all the Quadruple stuff that rarely come off smoothly.


That’s what Stars on Ice is for, but the Olympics is meant to push the limits of what is possible. Faster, higher, stronger. Jason is a great skater but he is not the most artistic. I feel his scores reflect fondness for him, but I would have much rather seen Ilia compete at the Olympics.


+1,000


If anything Jason is underscored. As a former skater I have to say that aside from the jumps what Jason does is harder then what everyone else is doing. No one else has his edge quality or his mastery of the blade. We are just in a world now where jumps are so heavily valued and the sport is off balance.


"Aside from the hardest thing to do in his discipline, which he doesn't do, he does very hard things."

This very much has the feel of, "So, other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"


This. Whether you like them or not and agree with them or not, the technical standards for being an internationally competitive figure skater exist and are very unlikely to change.

Brown skated well (though I do feel like I’ve seen him do that program better and with more emotion, including at Nationals), but he skated a 2005 program in 2022. He’s very lucky to be even in the top 10, thanks to other skaters’ falls.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 23:27     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Figure skater Jason Brown is a beautiful skater. Stick to triples. I’d rather watch a well executed, perfect routine with no wobbles, falls, etc. Tired of all the Quadruple stuff that rarely come off smoothly.


+1,000,000. Same can be said for women's gymnastics. It's just not fun or pleasing to watch anymore on some level.

I challenge everyone to go google the skating programs from past Olympics. Totally different vibe and totally different coverage. The commentators shut up and the camera pulled back to cover the skating. I HATE the score box on NBC this year.


AMEN
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 23:25     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:A thread on the new information that has come out about Kamila Valieva:

https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/1491976679278977024?s=20&t=R5C7uMMUh--nrs92tdQXCQ

I mean... you can't make this stuff up. So, the organization with the jurisdiction to determine whether Kamila could or could not compete was... Russia's anti-doping organization (RUSADA). Russia can't compete as Russia in the Olympics because of their state-sponsored doping! It's honestly laughable.

Thankfully the ITA is appealing the decision but who knows how long it will take. Will she be allowed to compete next week while still under investigation with the possibility of her medal being taken away at a later date? I just got a New York Times notification about this so it has definitely gone mainstream. There's no way she can skate under these circumstances, right?! Can you imagine what that would be like? What a mess.


This poor girl. 15 years old, by herself without her parents, in another country, with only an abusive coach that probably gave her illegal drugs meant for adults, at the center of an international scandal.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 23:18     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Late in the game... I'm an Asian immigrant (not Chinese) seeing Nathan Chen is an epitome of the American dream - a son of Chinese immigrants in California trained by Soviet Armenian.

Just comparing to other two US athletes of Chinese origin participating on the China side...
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 23:18     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
A thread on the new information that has come out about Kamila Valieva:

https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/1491976679278977024?s=20&t=R5C7uMMUh--nrs92tdQXCQ

I mean... you can't make this stuff up. So, the organization with the jurisdiction to determine whether Kamila could or could not compete was... Russia's anti-doping organization (RUSADA). Russia can't compete as Russia in the Olympics because of their state-sponsored doping! It's honestly laughable.

Thankfully the ITA is appealing the decision but who knows how long it will take. Will she be allowed to compete next week while still under investigation with the possibility of her medal being taken away at a later date? I just got a New York Times notification about this so it has definitely gone mainstream. There's no way she can skate under these circumstances, right?! Can you imagine what that would be like? What a mess.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 23:07     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Snow boarding - well done Mr White. Great job and great career. Fourth place at 35 is phenom.

The Japanese tornado deserved gold though - wow! The Australian dude in second place wasn’t bad either.

It was heart breaking to see so many athletes who worked so hard for years take tumbles when they hit the lips after soaring and spinning 20+ feet in the air.



I was pulling so hard for Ayumu Hirano on that third run! He was robbed on the second run.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 23:06     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Watching this Mikaela Shiffrin interview is weird. She seems all over the place and sounds...off.


She has never been a smooth talker. I feel really bad for her. She blames herself for other people being let down. That really sucks. She is so humble and grateful in regards to the support she has gotten.


Yeah, it's hard to watch.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 23:01     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Watching this Mikaela Shiffrin interview is weird. She seems all over the place and sounds...off.


She has never been a smooth talker. I feel really bad for her. She blames herself for other people being let down. That really sucks. She is so humble and grateful in regards to the support she has gotten.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 22:58     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Watching this Mikaela Shiffrin interview is weird. She seems all over the place and sounds...off.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 22:21     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Snow boarding - well done Mr White. Great job and great career. Fourth place at 35 is phenom.

The Japanese tornado deserved gold though - wow! The Australian dude in second place wasn’t bad either.

It was heart breaking to see so many athletes who worked so hard for years take tumbles when they hit the lips after soaring and spinning 20+ feet in the air.

Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 21:33     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The skating debate is a lot like the gymnastics debate. I think we've sacrificed so much beauty in gymnastics due to the focus on harder and harder tricks. I think it's why Sunisa Lee became such a fan favorite ... she really combines the artistry and the tricks. (And her bars moves actually remind me a little of Jason Brown's jumping.)


+1. I almost don't like to watch women's Olympic gymnastics now. It stresses me out. And what they are attempting is so difficult they look stressed out and there are tons of mistakes, falls, etc.



agreed

and seriously, NO MORE WOLF TURNS


Yes, I hate the wolf turn!


Yeah there’s no way you can win without them because of their difficulty but they aren’t pretty and they interrupt the flow of a beam or floor routine.


It's funny because my cousin's DD is a high level gymnast. She does a homeschool program so she can spend most of her time training. My DD asked her about her favorite event and she said it was floor. She went on to say how everyone hates beam, vault, and bars in that order. She said even her teammates who were amazing on beam and always scored 9.8 and 9.9 hated and dreaded beam because of the wolf turns.


I think Sunisa almost fell on the wolf turn in the Olympics but managed to save it.