Anonymous wrote:You’ve made my point then. If we are too timid to take on the big fish, taking on the little fish is pointless and counterproductive because it minimizes the seriousness of the crime. I don’t want to hear about Joe the plumber who got caught up in his delusions and his poor sad fate. It just makes us look more impotent that we can’t stop the people responsible for his downfall.

Can both of you please start trimming down your responses? Having 20 layers of quoted material makes trying to read the thread and your comments a royal PITA.

I think the problem is that this PP is frustrated by the slow pace of public prosecution. It doesn't move swiftly because the system is designed to protect the wrongfully accused as much as possible. So, the cases have to be built to be strong. The smaller cases can be brought to trial faster because they are simpler. The larger and more complex cases take time to put together and make sure that they are complete enough to rule and sentence.

The cases for the large fish are progressing and you can bet the more convictions they get at the lower level, the better it will be for the prosecution against the bigger conspiracists. You just have to be more patient.

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I would rather this commission shit down than continue to blow smoke without imposing real consequences. It does more harm than good.

A commission can gather facts and make them public.

The DOJ needs those facts to build a case.

The Commission cannot impose consequences.

The DOJ doesn't want their cases blown.

Exactly what do you expect to happen differently?

(noting, we are all frustrated)

The commission isn’t helping then. If DOJ would perhaps even singalong that they give a rats ass, I would be satisfied. As it stands it’s been over a year since the shenanigans began, and they’re still happening. So I don’t know. The perfect is the enemy of the good?

Meanwhile we’re losing Roe and my state is red. And we can’t pass BBB. This insurrection is the albatross. Just start moving on something.

Counterpoint...700+ people have been arrested/indicted for the insurrection. They are working up the food chain, and as we know, DOJ does not publicly acknowledge their actions. If you follow the cases closely, you know how they are proceeding.

Exactly the freaking problem. The public doesn’t care about these low level cases and doesn’t want to follow closely. They want big public consequences for big public people. Someone big enough that people know their name, soon. Before it’s too damn late and it looks purely political.

Getting the big people would look political. Getting hundreds of participants looks like people being held accountable for invading the Capital.

I don't know if Trump will ever go to jail - please, Santa, it's all I want - but I would say it's not true there's been no consequences for participants. If Steve Bannon had been among those smashing windows on Jan 6 I'm sure he'd be in jail for that too. It's harder - and more politically complicated - to go after the bigger fish who weren't actually there on the ground.

You’ve made my point then. If we are too timid to take on the big fish, taking on the little fish is pointless and counterproductive because it minimizes the seriousness of the crime. I don’t want to hear about Joe the plumber who got caught up in his delusions and his poor sad fate. It just makes us look more impotent that we can’t stop the people responsible for his downfall.

Well I guess too bad for you because you can't just go arrest people because it makes you feel better.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I would rather this commission shit down than continue to blow smoke without imposing real consequences. It does more harm than good.

A commission can gather facts and make them public.

The DOJ needs those facts to build a case.

The Commission cannot impose consequences.

The DOJ doesn't want their cases blown.

Exactly what do you expect to happen differently?

(noting, we are all frustrated)

The commission isn’t helping then. If DOJ would perhaps even singalong that they give a rats ass, I would be satisfied. As it stands it’s been over a year since the shenanigans began, and they’re still happening. So I don’t know. The perfect is the enemy of the good?

Meanwhile we’re losing Roe and my state is red. And we can’t pass BBB. This insurrection is the albatross. Just start moving on something.

Counterpoint...700+ people have been arrested/indicted for the insurrection. They are working up the food chain, and as we know, DOJ does not publicly acknowledge their actions. If you follow the cases closely, you know how they are proceeding.

Exactly the freaking problem. The public doesn’t care about these low level cases and doesn’t want to follow closely. They want big public consequences for big public people. Someone big enough that people know their name, soon. Before it’s too damn late and it looks purely political.

Getting the big people would look political. Getting hundreds of participants looks like people being held accountable for invading the Capital.

I don't know if Trump will ever go to jail - please, Santa, it's all I want - but I would say it's not true there's been no consequences for participants. If Steve Bannon had been among those smashing windows on Jan 6 I'm sure he'd be in jail for that too. It's harder - and more politically complicated - to go after the bigger fish who weren't actually there on the ground.

You’ve made my point then. If we are too timid to take on the big fish, taking on the little fish is pointless and counterproductive because it minimizes the seriousness of the crime. I don’t want to hear about Joe the plumber who got caught up in his delusions and his poor sad fate. It just makes us look more impotent that we can’t stop the people responsible for his downfall.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I would rather this commission shit down than continue to blow smoke without imposing real consequences. It does more harm than good.

A commission can gather facts and make them public.

The DOJ needs those facts to build a case.

The Commission cannot impose consequences.

The DOJ doesn't want their cases blown.

Exactly what do you expect to happen differently?

(noting, we are all frustrated)

The commission isn’t helping then. If DOJ would perhaps even singalong that they give a rats ass, I would be satisfied. As it stands it’s been over a year since the shenanigans began, and they’re still happening. So I don’t know. The perfect is the enemy of the good?

Meanwhile we’re losing Roe and my state is red. And we can’t pass BBB. This insurrection is the albatross. Just start moving on something.

Counterpoint...700+ people have been arrested/indicted for the insurrection. They are working up the food chain, and as we know, DOJ does not publicly acknowledge their actions. If you follow the cases closely, you know how they are proceeding.

Exactly the freaking problem. The public doesn’t care about these low level cases and doesn’t want to follow closely. They want big public consequences for big public people. Someone big enough that people know their name, soon. Before it’s too damn late and it looks purely political.

Getting the big people would look political. Getting hundreds of participants looks like people being held accountable for invading the Capital.

I don't know if Trump will ever go to jail - please, Santa, it's all I want - but I would say it's not true there's been no consequences for participants. If Steve Bannon had been among those smashing windows on Jan 6 I'm sure he'd be in jail for that too. It's harder - and more politically complicated - to go after the bigger fish who weren't actually there on the ground.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I would rather this commission shit down than continue to blow smoke without imposing real consequences. It does more harm than good.

A commission can gather facts and make them public.

The DOJ needs those facts to build a case.

The Commission cannot impose consequences.

The DOJ doesn't want their cases blown.

Exactly what do you expect to happen differently?

(noting, we are all frustrated)

The commission isn’t helping then. If DOJ would perhaps even singalong that they give a rats ass, I would be satisfied. As it stands it’s been over a year since the shenanigans began, and they’re still happening. So I don’t know. The perfect is the enemy of the good?

Meanwhile we’re losing Roe and my state is red. And we can’t pass BBB. This insurrection is the albatross. Just start moving on something.

Counterpoint...700+ people have been arrested/indicted for the insurrection. They are working up the food chain, and as we know, DOJ does not publicly acknowledge their actions. If you follow the cases closely, you know how they are proceeding.

Exactly the freaking problem. The public doesn’t care about these low level cases and doesn’t want to follow closely. They want big public consequences for big public people. Someone big enough that people know their name, soon. Before it’s too damn late and it looks purely political.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I would rather this commission shit down than continue to blow smoke without imposing real consequences. It does more harm than good.

A commission can gather facts and make them public.

The DOJ needs those facts to build a case.

The Commission cannot impose consequences.

The DOJ doesn't want their cases blown.

Exactly what do you expect to happen differently?

(noting, we are all frustrated)

The commission isn’t helping then. If DOJ would perhaps even singalong that they give a rats ass, I would be satisfied. As it stands it’s been over a year since the shenanigans began, and they’re still happening. So I don’t know. The perfect is the enemy of the good?

Meanwhile we’re losing Roe and my state is red. And we can’t pass BBB. This insurrection is the albatross. Just start moving on something.

Counterpoint...700+ people have been arrested/indicted for the insurrection. They are working up the food chain, and as we know, DOJ does not publicly acknowledge their actions. If you follow the cases closely, you know how they are proceeding.

public hearings!!!

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Anonymous wrote:

I would rather this commission shit down than continue to blow smoke without imposing real consequences. It does more harm than good.

A commission can gather facts and make them public.

The DOJ needs those facts to build a case.

The Commission cannot impose consequences.

The DOJ doesn't want their cases blown.

Exactly what do you expect to happen differently?

(noting, we are all frustrated)

The commission isn’t helping then. If DOJ would perhaps even singalong that they give a rats ass, I would be satisfied. As it stands it’s been over a year since the shenanigans began, and they’re still happening. So I don’t know. The perfect is the enemy of the good?

Meanwhile we’re losing Roe and my state is red. And we can’t pass BBB. This insurrection is the albatross. Just start moving on something.

Anonymous wrote:

I would rather this commission shit down than continue to blow smoke without imposing real consequences. It does more harm than good.

A commission can gather facts and make them public.

The DOJ needs those facts to build a case.

The Commission cannot impose consequences.

The DOJ doesn't want their cases blown.

Exactly what do you expect to happen differently?

(noting, we are all frustrated)

Anonymous wrote:Hahahahahahahaha ladies and gentlemen, lawyers for the guy who Trump wanted to be the attorney general.

This is laughable, but so is Merrick Garland. I don't blame him or his lawyers. They are saying "This is not a real commission. Prove us wrong."

Spoiler: They will not be proven wrong. Nothing will happen. And Trump will likely 'win' in 2024.

And this is the party the media is working so hard to elect again? Great stuff.

Hahahahahahahaha ladies and gentlemen, lawyers for the guy who Trump wanted to be the attorney general.

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Anonymous wrote:For the PPs who keep posting right wing baloney:

He won't be held accountable.

I would rather this commission shit down than continue to blow smoke without imposing real consequences. It does more harm than good.

Anonymous wrote:For the PPs who keep posting right wing baloney:

He won't be held accountable.

For the PPs who keep posting right wing baloney: