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Post 02/03/2022 16:56     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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This parent coaches being the gatekeepers happens A LOT in Elementary School, exp…Science Olympiad, Math Counts, FLL, CompSci competitions.
Then when the students go to Middle School and try out with the Teacher Coaches…those preferred kids get to check “experience” next to the forms and have a leg up on other kids.


Anyone can sign up for AMC8 through FCAG or through any school or program offering the test. Anyone can sign up for CML as a homeschooler, Math Kangaroo, or mathleague. Anyone can get a free AoPS account and use alcumus, Mathcounts trainer app, FTW, or any of the forums there. If Mathcounts and Science Olympiad are handled properly, selection should be competitive and based on performance on a test. I'm not saying that gatekeeping isn't happening, but a motivated family should be able to work around it.


You’re presuming reliable internet access and the technology to be able to run those apps or programs. That’s not a given for many of these families.


But they can afford $1,000 sneakers?


No, and this is a horrendously racist trope that is directed at Black people. Go away, you're gross.

No, it's not. And the internet access excuse is just laughable.


Yes, it is horrendous. And you don't know what you're talking about on either issue.


And my guess is that you don't care about racist tropes about Asians.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2022 14:10     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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This parent coaches being the gatekeepers happens A LOT in Elementary School, exp…Science Olympiad, Math Counts, FLL, CompSci competitions.
Then when the students go to Middle School and try out with the Teacher Coaches…those preferred kids get to check “experience” next to the forms and have a leg up on other kids.


Anyone can sign up for AMC8 through FCAG or through any school or program offering the test. Anyone can sign up for CML as a homeschooler, Math Kangaroo, or mathleague. Anyone can get a free AoPS account and use alcumus, Mathcounts trainer app, FTW, or any of the forums there. If Mathcounts and Science Olympiad are handled properly, selection should be competitive and based on performance on a test. I'm not saying that gatekeeping isn't happening, but a motivated family should be able to work around it.


You’re presuming reliable internet access and the technology to be able to run those apps or programs. That’s not a given for many of these families.


But they can afford $1,000 sneakers?


No, and this is a horrendously racist trope that is directed at Black people. Go away, you're gross.

No, it's not. And the internet access excuse is just laughable.


Yes, it is horrendous. And you don't know what you're talking about on either issue.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2022 14:09     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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This parent coaches being the gatekeepers happens A LOT in Elementary School, exp…Science Olympiad, Math Counts, FLL, CompSci competitions.
Then when the students go to Middle School and try out with the Teacher Coaches…those preferred kids get to check “experience” next to the forms and have a leg up on other kids.


Anyone can sign up for AMC8 through FCAG or through any school or program offering the test. Anyone can sign up for CML as a homeschooler, Math Kangaroo, or mathleague. Anyone can get a free AoPS account and use alcumus, Mathcounts trainer app, FTW, or any of the forums there. If Mathcounts and Science Olympiad are handled properly, selection should be competitive and based on performance on a test. I'm not saying that gatekeeping isn't happening, but a motivated family should be able to work around it.


You’re presuming reliable internet access and the technology to be able to run those apps or programs. That’s not a given for many of these families.


What percentage of kids in our county are you claiming to not have internet enabled cellphones, at a minimum? Internet is NOT the problem, it's not using it to learn, or just not being aware of the opportunities available.


A much higher percentage than you seem to think. I don't fault you for not being aware of the challenges that these families face, but don't pretend like you are.


Back up your claim with numbers if you believe that a significant portion of families in FCPS in 2022 do not have access to internet. In addition, please explain why you believe these families are worrying, thinking, or even aware of TJs existence, and how TJ would serve them with respect to the problems they have to deal with in their life.


1) You have to actually set foot in these schools to have any idea of what these kids experience. FCPS doesn't publish numbers of kids who don't have internet access, but when you are on the ground, you become aware of their existence and commonality.

2) They shouldn't have to be "worrying about TJ" in order for their kids to have access to TJ if they're capable of handling it. And as unfortunate as it is, there's a MUCH bigger delta between the educational experiences and opportunities at say, Mount Vernon and TJ versus the experiences at Langley and TJ. That should go without saying.


So without any data you're implying that poverty rate is synonymous with internet access based on your above anecdote. Let's say that's true, that's almost 5.5% in FCPS. Nobody is disputing the huge resource gaps between TJ and Mt Vernon, or really any other school here, including even Langley. How many kids from let's say Mt Vernon do you believe could actually be successful at TJ (by that I mean graduating with good grades)? I don't believe the numbers are very significant. I completely agree that those few kids should be given every opportunity to not only apply to TJ, but also to prepare for the rigor starting in elementary school. That's a resource problem right there. FCPS should be identifying and providing/supporting those kids from elementary by all possible means. But they're not doing that. The main issue here is that TJ is slowly being racially 'reformed' to significantly lower the admission bar in the hope that more underrepresented minorities will take part without regard for whether the applicants can actually succeed. For instance, rather simply eliminating letters of recommendations and tests, they should be adding additional data points, i.e multiple tests, etc. to best identify those who could succeed there.


1) I provided data in another post.

2) The idea that there are not very many kids in the Mt. Vernon area that could be successful at TJ is not something that we can just accept as fact. You can believe whatever you want, but the reality is that we won't know the answer unless they have an opportunity. Additionally, it is a false choice to suggest that we should EITHER be improving access to TJ OR seeking to improve educational opportunities for students in those areas. We should be doing both things and the folks on the School Board want to do both things.

3) The Admissions Office has been asserting for years that there are thousands of students in each cycle who could be very successful at TJ. What they are saying is that the difference between the bottom students who have been selected and the top ones who haven't been selected in years past is basically negligible. I assert that indeed, they may have been selecting several of the wrong students because the standardized testing model allows families to pose children who are relatively workaday as being brighter than they are through test prep.

Not ALL of the wrong students, mind you - there are far more students who have deserved to be at TJ over the years than there are those who have not. But the kids at TJ know who the kids are that don't belong there and who got in through extensive and expensive prep. It makes itself clear pretty quickly. When kids who don't do much in terms of extracurriculars have to stay up past midnight in order to keep up - unless you're talking about a genuine IEP-level processing issue - that's a sign that you've got a kid who probably doesn't belong.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2022 13:44     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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This parent coaches being the gatekeepers happens A LOT in Elementary School, exp…Science Olympiad, Math Counts, FLL, CompSci competitions.
Then when the students go to Middle School and try out with the Teacher Coaches…those preferred kids get to check “experience” next to the forms and have a leg up on other kids.


Anyone can sign up for AMC8 through FCAG or through any school or program offering the test. Anyone can sign up for CML as a homeschooler, Math Kangaroo, or mathleague. Anyone can get a free AoPS account and use alcumus, Mathcounts trainer app, FTW, or any of the forums there. If Mathcounts and Science Olympiad are handled properly, selection should be competitive and based on performance on a test. I'm not saying that gatekeeping isn't happening, but a motivated family should be able to work around it.


You’re presuming reliable internet access and the technology to be able to run those apps or programs. That’s not a given for many of these families.


But they can afford $1,000 sneakers?


No, and this is a horrendously racist trope that is directed at Black people. Go away, you're gross.

No, it's not. And the internet access excuse is just laughable.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2022 13:33     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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This parent coaches being the gatekeepers happens A LOT in Elementary School, exp…Science Olympiad, Math Counts, FLL, CompSci competitions.
Then when the students go to Middle School and try out with the Teacher Coaches…those preferred kids get to check “experience” next to the forms and have a leg up on other kids.


Anyone can sign up for AMC8 through FCAG or through any school or program offering the test. Anyone can sign up for CML as a homeschooler, Math Kangaroo, or mathleague. Anyone can get a free AoPS account and use alcumus, Mathcounts trainer app, FTW, or any of the forums there. If Mathcounts and Science Olympiad are handled properly, selection should be competitive and based on performance on a test. I'm not saying that gatekeeping isn't happening, but a motivated family should be able to work around it.


You’re presuming reliable internet access and the technology to be able to run those apps or programs. That’s not a given for many of these families.


What percentage of kids in our county are you claiming to not have internet enabled cellphones, at a minimum? Internet is NOT the problem, it's not using it to learn, or just not being aware of the opportunities available.


A much higher percentage than you seem to think. I don't fault you for not being aware of the challenges that these families face, but don't pretend like you are.


Back up your claim with numbers if you believe that a significant portion of families in FCPS in 2022 do not have access to internet. In addition, please explain why you believe these families are worrying, thinking, or even aware of TJs existence, and how TJ would serve them with respect to the problems they have to deal with in their life.


1) You have to actually set foot in these schools to have any idea of what these kids experience. FCPS doesn't publish numbers of kids who don't have internet access, but when you are on the ground, you become aware of their existence and commonality.

2) They shouldn't have to be "worrying about TJ" in order for their kids to have access to TJ if they're capable of handling it. And as unfortunate as it is, there's a MUCH bigger delta between the educational experiences and opportunities at say, Mount Vernon and TJ versus the experiences at Langley and TJ. That should go without saying.


So without any data you're implying that poverty rate is synonymous with internet access based on your above anecdote. Let's say that's true, that's almost 5.5% in FCPS. Nobody is disputing the huge resource gaps between TJ and Mt Vernon, or really any other school here, including even Langley. How many kids from let's say Mt Vernon do you believe could actually be successful at TJ (by that I mean graduating with good grades)? I don't believe the numbers are very significant. I completely agree that those few kids should be given every opportunity to not only apply to TJ, but also to prepare for the rigor starting in elementary school. That's a resource problem right there. FCPS should be identifying and providing/supporting those kids from elementary by all possible means. But they're not doing that. The main issue here is that TJ is slowly being racially 'reformed' to significantly lower the admission bar in the hope that more underrepresented minorities will take part without regard for whether the applicants can actually succeed. For instance, rather simply eliminating letters of recommendations and tests, they should be adding additional data points, i.e multiple tests, etc. to best identify those who could succeed there.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2022 13:28     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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You are so mistaken. There is no war at all against Hispanics and Blacks. In fact Asians understand aspiring for opportunity and self betterment very well. It is just that whites are using Hispanics and Blacks as an excuse to beat up Asians who they think are becoming too uppity. No one likes being taken for granted and discriminated against.

I thought the Asians were complaining that Blacks and Hispanics were taking spots at schools like TJ and Ivy’s when Asian kids are more qualified. Is my interpretation incorrect?


I don't think that too many Asian families would have a problem with admitting more Black and Hispanic students - assuming that it was due to doing a better job of identifying and enticing talented URMs. On the other hand, if it's simply because the school system suddenly decides to play with the numbers because there are "too many Asians," a lot of people would have a problem with that. You don't have to be Asian for that to bother you.


If that were the case these parents would all be angry at universities which give preference to legacy students; however, no one seems upset about that. Presumably because white students are the main beneficiaries.


Plenty of people are upset about that of all races.

The Asians aren’t doing that because if they did, that would put them up against white mommy and daddy. That’s the last thing they want us to do. As an earlier poster said, they want to assimilate.


It's more than that - given the relatively high % of Asians in elite colleges, they figure that their own children will benefit from legacy preferences. The reason that white and asian people hate affirmative action is because they do not benefit. They have no problem with preferential admissions policies as long as it helps them (and also don't help groups they deem undesirable).


Asians oppose all forms of discrimination - AA, athletic recruits, legacy, special list etc. Asians do not benefit from any of those.


1) Asians will benefit from legacy admissions within the next 5-10 years.

2) Colleges (and therefore the Asian students who attend those colleges) benefit from all of those things. Legacy admits tend to result in donations that result in upgraded facilities - which sometimes increases the capacity of schools. Athletic success also leads to increased donations, not just to athletics but to general funds as well. Affirmative action, such as it is, results in broad increases in applications, which results in stronger selectivity numbers, which results in higher rankings and prestige.

3) You do not speak for all Asians any more than I speak for all South Asians.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2022 13:13     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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This parent coaches being the gatekeepers happens A LOT in Elementary School, exp…Science Olympiad, Math Counts, FLL, CompSci competitions.
Then when the students go to Middle School and try out with the Teacher Coaches…those preferred kids get to check “experience” next to the forms and have a leg up on other kids.


Anyone can sign up for AMC8 through FCAG or through any school or program offering the test. Anyone can sign up for CML as a homeschooler, Math Kangaroo, or mathleague. Anyone can get a free AoPS account and use alcumus, Mathcounts trainer app, FTW, or any of the forums there. If Mathcounts and Science Olympiad are handled properly, selection should be competitive and based on performance on a test. I'm not saying that gatekeeping isn't happening, but a motivated family should be able to work around it.


You’re presuming reliable internet access and the technology to be able to run those apps or programs. That’s not a given for many of these families.


What percentage of kids in our county are you claiming to not have internet enabled cellphones, at a minimum? Internet is NOT the problem, it's not using it to learn, or just not being aware of the opportunities available.


A much higher percentage than you seem to think. I don't fault you for not being aware of the challenges that these families face, but don't pretend like you are.


Back up your claim with numbers if you believe that a significant portion of families in FCPS in 2022 do not have access to internet. In addition, please explain why you believe these families are worrying, thinking, or even aware of TJs existence, and how TJ would serve them with respect to the problems they have to deal with in their life.


https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demographics/sites/demographics/files/assets/vizpdf/internet%20access%202015.pdf

There you go. White and Asian families in Fairfax County each report 94% internet access, and Black and Hispanic families each report 86%. You can see from the graphic that there are geographic deltas as well.

It's instructive also to look at the difference in median income between households with and without internet access.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2022 13:02     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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This parent coaches being the gatekeepers happens A LOT in Elementary School, exp…Science Olympiad, Math Counts, FLL, CompSci competitions.
Then when the students go to Middle School and try out with the Teacher Coaches…those preferred kids get to check “experience” next to the forms and have a leg up on other kids.


Anyone can sign up for AMC8 through FCAG or through any school or program offering the test. Anyone can sign up for CML as a homeschooler, Math Kangaroo, or mathleague. Anyone can get a free AoPS account and use alcumus, Mathcounts trainer app, FTW, or any of the forums there. If Mathcounts and Science Olympiad are handled properly, selection should be competitive and based on performance on a test. I'm not saying that gatekeeping isn't happening, but a motivated family should be able to work around it.


You’re presuming reliable internet access and the technology to be able to run those apps or programs. That’s not a given for many of these families.


What percentage of kids in our county are you claiming to not have internet enabled cellphones, at a minimum? Internet is NOT the problem, it's not using it to learn, or just not being aware of the opportunities available.


A much higher percentage than you seem to think. I don't fault you for not being aware of the challenges that these families face, but don't pretend like you are.


Back up your claim with numbers if you believe that a significant portion of families in FCPS in 2022 do not have access to internet. In addition, please explain why you believe these families are worrying, thinking, or even aware of TJs existence, and how TJ would serve them with respect to the problems they have to deal with in their life.


1) You have to actually set foot in these schools to have any idea of what these kids experience. FCPS doesn't publish numbers of kids who don't have internet access, but when you are on the ground, you become aware of their existence and commonality.

2) They shouldn't have to be "worrying about TJ" in order for their kids to have access to TJ if they're capable of handling it. And as unfortunate as it is, there's a MUCH bigger delta between the educational experiences and opportunities at say, Mount Vernon and TJ versus the experiences at Langley and TJ. That should go without saying.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2022 12:22     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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This parent coaches being the gatekeepers happens A LOT in Elementary School, exp…Science Olympiad, Math Counts, FLL, CompSci competitions.
Then when the students go to Middle School and try out with the Teacher Coaches…those preferred kids get to check “experience” next to the forms and have a leg up on other kids.


Anyone can sign up for AMC8 through FCAG or through any school or program offering the test. Anyone can sign up for CML as a homeschooler, Math Kangaroo, or mathleague. Anyone can get a free AoPS account and use alcumus, Mathcounts trainer app, FTW, or any of the forums there. If Mathcounts and Science Olympiad are handled properly, selection should be competitive and based on performance on a test. I'm not saying that gatekeeping isn't happening, but a motivated family should be able to work around it.


You’re presuming reliable internet access and the technology to be able to run those apps or programs. That’s not a given for many of these families.


What percentage of kids in our county are you claiming to not have internet enabled cellphones, at a minimum? Internet is NOT the problem, it's not using it to learn, or just not being aware of the opportunities available.


A much higher percentage than you seem to think. I don't fault you for not being aware of the challenges that these families face, but don't pretend like you are.


Back up your claim with numbers if you believe that a significant portion of families in FCPS in 2022 do not have access to internet. In addition, please explain why you believe these families are worrying, thinking, or even aware of TJs existence, and how TJ would serve them with respect to the problems they have to deal with in their life.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2022 12:08     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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This parent coaches being the gatekeepers happens A LOT in Elementary School, exp…Science Olympiad, Math Counts, FLL, CompSci competitions.
Then when the students go to Middle School and try out with the Teacher Coaches…those preferred kids get to check “experience” next to the forms and have a leg up on other kids.


Anyone can sign up for AMC8 through FCAG or through any school or program offering the test. Anyone can sign up for CML as a homeschooler, Math Kangaroo, or mathleague. Anyone can get a free AoPS account and use alcumus, Mathcounts trainer app, FTW, or any of the forums there. If Mathcounts and Science Olympiad are handled properly, selection should be competitive and based on performance on a test. I'm not saying that gatekeeping isn't happening, but a motivated family should be able to work around it.


You’re presuming reliable internet access and the technology to be able to run those apps or programs. That’s not a given for many of these families.


But they can afford $1,000 sneakers?


No, and this is a horrendously racist trope that is directed at Black people. Go away, you're gross.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2022 12:07     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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You are so mistaken. There is no war at all against Hispanics and Blacks. In fact Asians understand aspiring for opportunity and self betterment very well. It is just that whites are using Hispanics and Blacks as an excuse to beat up Asians who they think are becoming too uppity. No one likes being taken for granted and discriminated against.

I thought the Asians were complaining that Blacks and Hispanics were taking spots at schools like TJ and Ivy’s when Asian kids are more qualified. Is my interpretation incorrect?


I don't think that too many Asian families would have a problem with admitting more Black and Hispanic students - assuming that it was due to doing a better job of identifying and enticing talented URMs. On the other hand, if it's simply because the school system suddenly decides to play with the numbers because there are "too many Asians," a lot of people would have a problem with that. You don't have to be Asian for that to bother you.


If that were the case these parents would all be angry at universities which give preference to legacy students; however, no one seems upset about that. Presumably because white students are the main beneficiaries.


Plenty of people are upset about that of all races.

The Asians aren’t doing that because if they did, that would put them up against white mommy and daddy. That’s the last thing they want us to do. As an earlier poster said, they want to assimilate.


It's more than that - given the relatively high % of Asians in elite colleges, they figure that their own children will benefit from legacy preferences. The reason that white and asian people hate affirmative action is because they do not benefit. They have no problem with preferential admissions policies as long as it helps them (and also don't help groups they deem undesirable).


This is important. There is an undercurrent at TJ of parents who have no future potential TJ applicants but who are displeased with the admissions changes because part of the appeal of TJ was that their students would not have to attend a school with Black kids and would therefore "be safe".
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2022 12:06     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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Anonymous wrote:University admissions will take note of what is happening at TJ and stop treating it as a "guarantee" of rigor. This may take a couple of years, or it may be very quick, but eventually TJ will mean nothing more than any other decent high school in this area. TJ is no longer a "selective" school, as far as admission goes.

Yes, but if they allow things to go back to the way they were and allow Asians to have more spots, TJ will still be viewed as the number 1 high school in America.


Contrary to popular opinion, having the #1 ranking in America hasn’t been a great help to TJ as far as college admissions go.


Because top universities discriminate against Asians.

Which ones? All the ones I know have a high number of Asians when compared to the population of Asians.


This is irrefutably true. Every top university in America has Asians overrepresented by a significant margin. The statement that top universities discriminate against Asians betrays a mindset that Asians are the only meritorious population deserving of spaces in these universities and that the existence of other populations is evidence of malfeasance.

You can refer to this mindset as "Asian supremacy".


The relevant comparison is the number accepted as a percentage of applicants to the school.


Yep - and for once, the Class of 2025 had numbers of acceptances that tracked well with percentages of applicants. Go figure.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2022 12:04     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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This parent coaches being the gatekeepers happens A LOT in Elementary School, exp…Science Olympiad, Math Counts, FLL, CompSci competitions.
Then when the students go to Middle School and try out with the Teacher Coaches…those preferred kids get to check “experience” next to the forms and have a leg up on other kids.


Anyone can sign up for AMC8 through FCAG or through any school or program offering the test. Anyone can sign up for CML as a homeschooler, Math Kangaroo, or mathleague. Anyone can get a free AoPS account and use alcumus, Mathcounts trainer app, FTW, or any of the forums there. If Mathcounts and Science Olympiad are handled properly, selection should be competitive and based on performance on a test. I'm not saying that gatekeeping isn't happening, but a motivated family should be able to work around it.


You’re presuming reliable internet access and the technology to be able to run those apps or programs. That’s not a given for many of these families.


What percentage of kids in our county are you claiming to not have internet enabled cellphones, at a minimum? Internet is NOT the problem, it's not using it to learn, or just not being aware of the opportunities available.


A much higher percentage than you seem to think. I don't fault you for not being aware of the challenges that these families face, but don't pretend like you are.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2022 10:00     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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You are so mistaken. There is no war at all against Hispanics and Blacks. In fact Asians understand aspiring for opportunity and self betterment very well. It is just that whites are using Hispanics and Blacks as an excuse to beat up Asians who they think are becoming too uppity. No one likes being taken for granted and discriminated against.

I thought the Asians were complaining that Blacks and Hispanics were taking spots at schools like TJ and Ivy’s when Asian kids are more qualified. Is my interpretation incorrect?


I don't think that too many Asian families would have a problem with admitting more Black and Hispanic students - assuming that it was due to doing a better job of identifying and enticing talented URMs. On the other hand, if it's simply because the school system suddenly decides to play with the numbers because there are "too many Asians," a lot of people would have a problem with that. You don't have to be Asian for that to bother you.


If that were the case these parents would all be angry at universities which give preference to legacy students; however, no one seems upset about that. Presumably because white students are the main beneficiaries.


Plenty of people are upset about that of all races.

The Asians aren’t doing that because if they did, that would put them up against white mommy and daddy. That’s the last thing they want us to do. As an earlier poster said, they want to assimilate.


It's more than that - given the relatively high % of Asians in elite colleges, they figure that their own children will benefit from legacy preferences. The reason that white and asian people hate affirmative action is because they do not benefit. They have no problem with preferential admissions policies as long as it helps them (and also don't help groups they deem undesirable).

White women are the group that has most benefited from affirmative action.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2022 09:29     Subject: Re:student admissions and TJ lawsuit

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You are so mistaken. There is no war at all against Hispanics and Blacks. In fact Asians understand aspiring for opportunity and self betterment very well. It is just that whites are using Hispanics and Blacks as an excuse to beat up Asians who they think are becoming too uppity. No one likes being taken for granted and discriminated against.

I thought the Asians were complaining that Blacks and Hispanics were taking spots at schools like TJ and Ivy’s when Asian kids are more qualified. Is my interpretation incorrect?


I don't think that too many Asian families would have a problem with admitting more Black and Hispanic students - assuming that it was due to doing a better job of identifying and enticing talented URMs. On the other hand, if it's simply because the school system suddenly decides to play with the numbers because there are "too many Asians," a lot of people would have a problem with that. You don't have to be Asian for that to bother you.


If that were the case these parents would all be angry at universities which give preference to legacy students; however, no one seems upset about that. Presumably because white students are the main beneficiaries.


Plenty of people are upset about that of all races.

The Asians aren’t doing that because if they did, that would put them up against white mommy and daddy. That’s the last thing they want us to do. As an earlier poster said, they want to assimilate.


It's more than that - given the relatively high % of Asians in elite colleges, they figure that their own children will benefit from legacy preferences. The reason that white and asian people hate affirmative action is because they do not benefit. They have no problem with preferential admissions policies as long as it helps them (and also don't help groups they deem undesirable).


Asians oppose all forms of discrimination - AA, athletic recruits, legacy, special list etc. Asians do not benefit from any of those.