Anonymous wrote:For those of you that think the government should be responsible for the obesity crisis, what do you propose they do? Ban certain foods or ingredients? Outlaw cheese puffs and potato chips, force people to exercise? There’s no possible way to legislate will power. Look how difficult it was even to get people to wear masks or get vaccinated. Look what happened during prohibition when government outlawed booze. They can get rid of subsidies, raise minimum wage, and make healthcare more accessible, and maybe even educate better, but in the end, they can’t just take away junk food or forbid people from dining at Disney.

I’m very thin and athletic and eat healthfully 95% of the time, but once in awhile, I too would like a donut or ice cream or French fry. I’m not addicted to these things but I do enjoy them on occasion.

Not OP but I propose:

Significant, large-scale taxes on junk food and soda, with the taxes going to food education and healthcare (essentially the tobacco tax model).

Removal of corn (syrup) subsidies.

Subsidies to farmers who make vegetables and fruit for consumption.

Lawsuits and settlement agreements with the largest junk food manufacturers (again like tobacco)

Restrictions on sales to under 18-year-olds

This all could be done and would have measurable and likely immediate public health impact. We have tobacco as an example. We know this works. But all the "git yer hands off my junk food it's totally free will" addicts in this thread are emblematic of the resistance this will face.

Individual cities/counties have tried all of the above steps I laid out. They have largely been defeated by malignant corporations who pour money into efforts to defeat the measures. They don't even have to do the dirty work themselves, they get people like the PPs to do it for them.

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Why would anyone take responsibility for someone else’s mistakes? I don’t do this in real life, why would I do it for someone like OP who blames everyone and everything other than themselves for all the crap food they eat?

You as a nation, as a country, as society, as a culture is unhealthy and fat. Reality check.

So PP is responsible for her fellow citizens’ obesity? But they are simultaneously not responsible for their own obesity?

Everyone is responsible. Even if you are healthy and thin you take part in creating the big picture culture.

Everyone is responsible for your obesity but you, eh, OP?

Kinda feel stupid for engaging as long as I have with you…pretty clear at this point you’re just a huge troll.

+1. This thread was entertaining for a bit, but now OP is just annoying. I’m over her blaming everyone else for her problems.

This thread just makes me want to eat a Twinkie.

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So…just curious, since you seem pretty informed about what is or isn’t healthy, and you have enough money that you can stay in an upscale hotel and travel, and you clearly have plenty of time on your hands…why are you blaming “America” for your poor dietary choices? Do you bear no responsibility for your pre-diabetic state?

Why don’t you read the last 30 pages? This is not about me.

My question is why do Americans put up with it? Why do they put up with unhealthy school lunches and junk sold at schools? Why do you put up with so much fast food and crappy restaurants? Why do you put up with all the sugar, fillers, coloring, prrservatives, chemicals in your food?

Anyone who us trying to eat healthy and teach good eating habits to kids knows the struggle in America.
People explained how they have to fight tooth and nail in America not to be obese while they effortlessly lose and maintain wait abroad.

Personally I’m with you. But we put up much more than that...mass shootings, systemic racism, workaholic culture, no support for families, toxic positivity, shame based parenting (aka DCUM). Really, the food is the tip of the iceberg and a coping mechanism.

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So…just curious, since you seem pretty informed about what is or isn’t healthy, and you have enough money that you can stay in an upscale hotel and travel, and you clearly have plenty of time on your hands…why are you blaming “America” for your poor dietary choices? Do you bear no responsibility for your pre-diabetic state?

Why don’t you read the last 30 pages? This is not about me.

My question is why do Americans put up with it? Why do they put up with unhealthy school lunches and junk sold at schools? Why do you put up with so much fast food and crappy restaurants? Why do you put up with all the sugar, fillers, coloring, prrservatives, chemicals in your food?

Anyone who us trying to eat healthy and teach good eating habits to kids knows the struggle in America.
People explained how they have to fight tooth and nail in America not to be obese while they effortlessly lose and maintain wait abroad.

The answer to your questions is due to money and lack of nutrition education. The latter, especially, is a HUGE problem.

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So…just curious, since you seem pretty informed about what is or isn’t healthy, and you have enough money that you can stay in an upscale hotel and travel, and you clearly have plenty of time on your hands…why are you blaming “America” for your poor dietary choices? Do you bear no responsibility for your pre-diabetic state?

Why don’t you read the last 30 pages? This is not about me.

My question is why do Americans put up with it? Why do they put up with unhealthy school lunches and junk sold at schools? Why do you put up with so much fast food and crappy restaurants? Why do you put up with all the sugar, fillers, coloring, prrservatives, chemicals in your food?

Anyone who us trying to eat healthy and teach good eating habits to kids knows the struggle in America.
People explained how they have to fight tooth and nail in America not to be obese while they effortlessly lose and maintain wait abroad.

Take a good look at yourself, OP, and you’ll find your answers.

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So…just curious, since you seem pretty informed about what is or isn’t healthy, and you have enough money that you can stay in an upscale hotel and travel, and you clearly have plenty of time on your hands…why are you blaming “America” for your poor dietary choices? Do you bear no responsibility for your pre-diabetic state?

Why don’t you read the last 30 pages? This is not about me.

My question is why do Americans put up with it? Why do they put up with unhealthy school lunches and junk sold at schools? Why do you put up with so much fast food and crappy restaurants? Why do you put up with all the sugar, fillers, coloring, prrservatives, chemicals in your food?

Anyone who us trying to eat healthy and teach good eating habits to kids knows the struggle in America.
People explained how they have to fight tooth and nail in America not to be obese while they effortlessly lose and maintain wait abroad.

For those of you that think the government should be responsible for the obesity crisis, what do you propose they do? Ban certain foods or ingredients? Outlaw cheese puffs and potato chips, force people to exercise? There’s no possible way to legislate will power. Look how difficult it was even to get people to wear masks or get vaccinated. Look what happened during prohibition when government outlawed booze. They can get rid of subsidies, raise minimum wage, and make healthcare more accessible, and maybe even educate better, but in the end, they can’t just take away junk food or forbid people from dining at Disney.

I’m very thin and athletic and eat healthfully 95% of the time, but once in awhile, I too would like a donut or ice cream or French fry. I’m not addicted to these things but I do enjoy them on occasion.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to know what OP has for dinner at her 'upscale hotel' tonight.

Yeah, I’m at a hotel with $300-$400 rate and multiple restaurants. The food here is mostly crap (I finally did find a decent Italian restaurant last night). They don have nutrition facts so I have no idea what I’m eating.

So if I can’t find healthy food in this setting what hope so you have for low income people?

I guess I should drive to farmer’s market and cook something up in my room.

There’s really not a single salad on the menu? Or grilled meat with steamed vegetables? Usually the options are there, but they don’t taste as good so people don’t order them.

This is true but you’ll likely get some bagged iceberg lettuce and dried out grilled chicken with some diced cucumbers and likely no homemade dressing, so you’ll need to ask for the sad Heinz vinegar and oil

DP. The PPs would consider that "good food," having never actually experienced actual good food before.

How would you know what food the PPs eat, or consider good?

I don’t know, but I think PPs point was, if you happen to be in a chain hotel, rural area, etc. and the restaurant options are sparse, you are likely going to end up at a place that has 90% “unhealthy” items and fried food. So your choice ends up being wings done well or a salad done terribly.

A huge hotel in Nashville with over a dozen restaurants and healthy room service options is not some backwards rural shithole. OP is being completely disingenuous, as anyone can tell by Googling the hotel she mentioned, and looking at the breakfast menus. All the fresh fruit and yogurt and egg whites available kinda take the wind out of her whole narrative.

You are just demonstrating OPs point. You have no idea what healthy, good food actually is.

What is healthy, good food, PP?

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Why would anyone take responsibility for someone else’s mistakes? I don’t do this in real life, why would I do it for someone like OP who blames everyone and everything other than themselves for all the crap food they eat?

You as a nation, as a country, as society, as a culture is unhealthy and fat. Reality check.

So PP is responsible for her fellow citizens’ obesity? But they are simultaneously not responsible for their own obesity?

Everyone is responsible. Even if you are healthy and thin you take part in creating the big picture culture.

Everyone is responsible for your obesity but you, eh, OP?

Kinda feel stupid for engaging as long as I have with you…pretty clear at this point you’re just a huge troll.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to know what OP has for dinner at her 'upscale hotel' tonight.

Yeah, I’m at a hotel with $300-$400 rate and multiple restaurants. The food here is mostly crap (I finally did find a decent Italian restaurant last night). They don have nutrition facts so I have no idea what I’m eating.

So if I can’t find healthy food in this setting what hope so you have for low income people?

I guess I should drive to farmer’s market and cook something up in my room.

There’s really not a single salad on the menu? Or grilled meat with steamed vegetables? Usually the options are there, but they don’t taste as good so people don’t order them.

This is true but you’ll likely get some bagged iceberg lettuce and dried out grilled chicken with some diced cucumbers and likely no homemade dressing, so you’ll need to ask for the sad Heinz vinegar and oil

DP. The PPs would consider that "good food," having never actually experienced actual good food before.

How would you know what food the PPs eat, or consider good?

I don’t know, but I think PPs point was, if you happen to be in a chain hotel, rural area, etc. and the restaurant options are sparse, you are likely going to end up at a place that has 90% “unhealthy” items and fried food. So your choice ends up being wings done well or a salad done terribly.

A huge hotel in Nashville with over a dozen restaurants and healthy room service options is not some backwards rural shithole. OP is being completely disingenuous, as anyone can tell by Googling the hotel she mentioned, and looking at the breakfast menus. All the fresh fruit and yogurt and egg whites available kinda take the wind out of her whole narrative.

You are just demonstrating OPs point. You have no idea what healthy, good food actually is.

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Why would anyone take responsibility for someone else’s mistakes? I don’t do this in real life, why would I do it for someone like OP who blames everyone and everything other than themselves for all the crap food they eat?

You as a nation, as a country, as society, as a culture is unhealthy and fat. Reality check.

So PP is responsible for her fellow citizens’ obesity? But they are simultaneously not responsible for their own obesity?

Everyone is responsible. Even if you are healthy and thin you take part in creating the big picture culture.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to know what OP has for dinner at her 'upscale hotel' tonight.

Yeah, I’m at a hotel with $300-$400 rate and multiple restaurants. The food here is mostly crap (I finally did find a decent Italian restaurant last night). They don have nutrition facts so I have no idea what I’m eating.

So if I can’t find healthy food in this setting what hope so you have for low income people?

I guess I should drive to farmer’s market and cook something up in my room.

There’s really not a single salad on the menu? Or grilled meat with steamed vegetables? Usually the options are there, but they don’t taste as good so people don’t order them.

This is true but you’ll likely get some bagged iceberg lettuce and dried out grilled chicken with some diced cucumbers and likely no homemade dressing, so you’ll need to ask for the sad Heinz vinegar and oil

DP. The PPs would consider that "good food," having never actually experienced actual good food before.

How would you know what food the PPs eat, or consider good?

I don’t know, but I think PPs point was, if you happen to be in a chain hotel, rural area, etc. and the restaurant options are sparse, you are likely going to end up at a place that has 90% “unhealthy” items and fried food. So your choice ends up being wings done well or a salad done terribly.

A huge hotel in Nashville with over a dozen restaurants and healthy room service options is not some backwards rural shithole. OP is being completely disingenuous, as anyone can tell by Googling the hotel she mentioned, and looking at the breakfast menus. All the fresh fruit and yogurt and egg whites available kinda take the wind out of her whole narrative.

Yeah, the “fresh fruit” looked and tasted like it was days old and also was glazed in something suspicious. The eggs I think were fake. No veggies at all. Strange looking and tasting sausage. Yogurt with a lot of sugar. donuts.

A typical American breakfast.

So…just curious, since you seem pretty informed about what is or isn’t healthy, and you have enough money that you can stay in an upscale hotel and travel, and you clearly have plenty of time on your hands…why are you blaming “America” for your poor dietary choices? Do you bear no responsibility for your pre-diabetic state?

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Why would anyone take responsibility for someone else’s mistakes? I don’t do this in real life, why would I do it for someone like OP who blames everyone and everything other than themselves for all the crap food they eat?

You as a nation, as a country, as society, as a culture is unhealthy and fat. Reality check.

So PP is responsible for her fellow citizens’ obesity? But they are simultaneously not responsible for their own obesity?

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Anonymous wrote:I want to know what OP has for dinner at her 'upscale hotel' tonight.

Yeah, I’m at a hotel with $300-$400 rate and multiple restaurants. The food here is mostly crap (I finally did find a decent Italian restaurant last night). They don have nutrition facts so I have no idea what I’m eating.

So if I can’t find healthy food in this setting what hope so you have for low income people?

I guess I should drive to farmer’s market and cook something up in my room.

There’s really not a single salad on the menu? Or grilled meat with steamed vegetables? Usually the options are there, but they don’t taste as good so people don’t order them.

This is true but you’ll likely get some bagged iceberg lettuce and dried out grilled chicken with some diced cucumbers and likely no homemade dressing, so you’ll need to ask for the sad Heinz vinegar and oil

DP. The PPs would consider that "good food," having never actually experienced actual good food before.

How would you know what food the PPs eat, or consider good?

I don’t know, but I think PPs point was, if you happen to be in a chain hotel, rural area, etc. and the restaurant options are sparse, you are likely going to end up at a place that has 90% “unhealthy” items and fried food. So your choice ends up being wings done well or a salad done terribly.

A huge hotel in Nashville with over a dozen restaurants and healthy room service options is not some backwards rural shithole. OP is being completely disingenuous, as anyone can tell by Googling the hotel she mentioned, and looking at the breakfast menus. All the fresh fruit and yogurt and egg whites available kinda take the wind out of her whole narrative.

Yeah, the “fresh fruit” looked and tasted like it was days old and also was glazed in something suspicious. The eggs I think were fake. No veggies at all. Strange looking and tasting sausage. Yogurt with a lot of sugar. donuts.

A typical American breakfast.