Anonymous
05/28/2024 09:54
Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
Anonymous wrote:Just how many locations does Curie have and is their placement test that difficult? The number of times Curie receives a mention, almost sounds like it has more enrollment than the public school itself. We are not even from Northern Virginia, but curious to know.
Curie is quite popular in Northern Virginia, but for advanced students. Curriculum is rigorous with middle school math, english and science subjects. Most enroll, but only a few complete the entire program.
Anonymous
05/28/2024 09:09
Subject: Re:Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did somehow people cheat to get into the school?
In a nutshell, one prep company prepped 28% of this years freshman. That’s 133 kids. It’s insane given how competing the prep company market is in NVa. Two years ago, they got 51 kids in and last year it was around 80. The company has been around for YEARS, so such a massive increase raises eyebrows. The company (foolishly) posted the lists of first and last names TJ admits to their FB page each year, so it’s easy to verify.
THEN, current TJ students started posting online on various social media that the company HAD A COPY of the test ahead of time. This test is supposed to be “unpreppable” but the company got students to report back what the questions were after the test. Then they used that to help the students taking the test on the accommodations day, summer round admissions and of course for the next years class. Apparently FCPS and the owners of the TJ admissions test have been watching the company for a while, so this was a good opportunity to do something. This prep company is making millions off of gaming the TJ admissions process.
Added on top of that the this prep company virtually ONLY preps students of one specific background. Added to that almost no Hispanic or black students were admitted and girls were sorely underrepresented as well. It just looks disgusting and simply cannot continue.
Our very own Varsity Blues-type scandal for FCPS. Awesome, thanks cheaters for creating a problem during a time when there are already plenty of problems.
Huh? This sounds like the Princeton review and how it helped thousands in the 90s prep for the SAT. I may be wrong but I kind of remember they had their own teachers sign up for and take the SATs regularly
It’s different than SAT. Because of the nature of the test, testing “natural abilities”, Quant-Q doesn’t release public materials.
2. CONCERN ABOUT TJ PREP INDUSTRY
There was also public concern about the TJ test prep industry that led, in part, to changes in the admissions process. By reverse engineering the admissions criteria/process, prep companies offered kids an unfair advantage in admissions. In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin asked when presented with the new plan.
Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”
This has all been discussed countless times on DCUM. Feel free to go read old threads for more details.
It was well known in my affluent area that you could greatly improve chances of admissions by paying $$$ for prep classes.
3. QUANT-Q DOESN’T RELEASE MATERIALS
The company that offers Quant-Q intentionally does NOT release materials to the public - it’s very different than SAT, ACT, etc. They want to “measure your natural ability”. And test takers agreed to not share any parts of the test.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”
Anonymous
05/28/2024 09:05
Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.
Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.
TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?
Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.
You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.
Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).
All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.
You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.
You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.
You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.
People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.
I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.
“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”
Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.
If you want links there are links.
It doesn't matter how many links are posted the C4TJ set will ignore it and continue to gaslight.
Well, right now, the number of links posted that are germane to the topic and not just links to discussions on dcum or other anonymous boards is zero. No real links have been posted. None. You're the one gaslighting by insisting that links are being provided when there are no links.
There were at least 3 separate links I saw in the past day, including TJ's student paper, WaPo, and one more that discussed this issue. Not sure why you are ignoring these.
Oh. I get it now. The problem is that you're functionally illiterate. The TJ student paper was about cheating on midterms within TJ. Not at all germane to the discussion and not addressing Quant-Q cheating. Another few links were people saying that they were concerned that test prep writ large conferred an unfair advantage. Again, the link was not at all germane.
I'll give you a hint. You can't just post random links not about the topic at hand and claim them as proof.
Cheating at TJ was rampant before the changes to the selection process.
New poster here, define cheating. Somehow the word is thrown around and lost its meaning. Prep for a test using past year's questions is not cheating. That's called studying.
Not when test takers signed an NDA stating that they would not disclose questions from the test and the company that makes the test does not reveal questions to outsiders and markets the test as one that can’t be prepped.
The NDA I've seen are between quant-q and the school system using the test (client). The students never signed any NDA. prove me wrong.
3. QUANT-Q DOESN’T RELEASE MATERIALS
The company that offers Quant-Q intentionally does NOT release materials to the public - it’s very different than SAT, ACT, etc. They want to “measure your natural ability”. And test takers agreed to not share any parts of the test.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”
Based on the NDAs, any test prep books or companies that obtain and share example quant-q test questions may have been unethically, or even potentially illegally, produced.
https://insightassessment.com/policies/
“Test Taker Interface User Agreement
In this agreement, each person who accesses this interface is called a “user,” and whatever a user accesses is called an “instrument.”
Copyright Protected: The user acknowledges that this online interface and everything in it are proprietary business property of the California Academic Press LLC and are protected by international copyrights. Except as permitted by purchased use licenses, the user agrees not to reproduce, distribute, hack, harm, limit, alter, or edit this interface or any part of any instrument or results report, table or analysis stored in, generated by, or delivered through this interface.
Non-Disclosure and Non-Compete Agreement: The user agrees not to copy, disclose, describe, imitate, replicate, or mirror this interface or this instrument(s) in whole or in part for any purpose. The user agrees not to create, design, develop, publish, market, or distribute any comparable or competitive instrument or instruments for a period of up to four years from the date of the user’s most recent access.
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By accessing the Insight Assessment online testing interface or purchasing a preview pack or instrument use licenses, all clients acknowledge that the on-line interface and the testing instrument(s) it contains or displays include proprietary business information, such as but not limited to the structure of test questions or the presentation of those questions and other information displayed in conjunction with the use of this testing interface. In the absence of a specific written agreement between the client and Insight Assessment, the client agrees that by purchasing a preview pack or testing licenses, the client and their organization, shall not disclose, copy, or replicate this testing interface or this testing instrument(s) in whole or in part in comparable or competitive product or interface of any kind. In the absence of a specific written agreement between the client and Insight Assessment, the client agrees that by accessing the testing instrument(s) for any purpose, including but not limited to previewing the instrument(s), the client and the client’s organization shall not create, design, develop, publish, market, or distribute any comparable or competitive testing instrument(s).
By clicking the “Agree” button, the user acknowledges reading, understanding, and agreeing to abide by the statements above and by all the policies and notices posted on Insight Assessment public website(s).”
"Remember that the goal of a critical thinking assessment is to measure your natural ability to think critically, so there’s no need for extensive preparation. Just be yourself and approach the assessment with a clear mind."
Anonymous
05/28/2024 09:05
Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All this crap about Curie can be true but it still doesn't change the fact that all the email traffic between the board members discussing this change was concerned about the embarrassingly low number of black and hispanic students at TJ. It still doesn't change the fact that they specifically discussed and dismissed the negative impact it would have on asians and only asians.
There is really no denying the changes were driven by a desire to racially balance the student population at TJ. A desire to put race ahead of merit.
Some of the effects of this racially driven change are not horrible. Higher FARM population, more diversity, lower overall stress level surrounding what is essentially a random admissions process, lower overall stress level at the school because only about 1/3rd of the kids would have gotten in under a merit based admissions process. But the end result is a less competitive school and a bunch of gifted kids stuck at their base school.
Fake stories about Curie are a innovative marketing technique. Now we are learning that Curie also has summer courses that are getting filled fast.
Not just a hallucinated story, but a business growing creation. Curie summer courses are diverse, few AP level and lot of stem subjects.
Anonymous
05/28/2024 09:02
Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
Just how many locations does Curie have and is their placement test that difficult? The number of times Curie receives a mention, almost sounds like it has more enrollment than the public school itself. We are not even from Northern Virginia, but curious to know.
Anonymous
05/28/2024 09:02
Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
Anonymous wrote:I’d take Langley, McLean, Chantilly, or Oakton over TJ in a heartbeat now, if zoned for those schools. On the other hand, if TJ is your alternative to Annandale, Mount Vernon, or Justice, it’s a different analysis.
Any of those schools are fine. And none of them are a STEM magnet school.
Anonymous
05/28/2024 08:59
Subject: Re:Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did somehow people cheat to get into the school?
In a nutshell, one prep company prepped 28% of this years freshman. That’s 133 kids. It’s insane given how competing the prep company market is in NVa. Two years ago, they got 51 kids in and last year it was around 80. The company has been around for YEARS, so such a massive increase raises eyebrows. The company (foolishly) posted the lists of first and last names TJ admits to their FB page each year, so it’s easy to verify.
THEN, current TJ students started posting online on various social media that the company HAD A COPY of the test ahead of time. This test is supposed to be “unpreppable” but the company got students to report back what the questions were after the test. Then they used that to help the students taking the test on the accommodations day, summer round admissions and of course for the next years class. Apparently FCPS and the owners of the TJ admissions test have been watching the company for a while, so this was a good opportunity to do something. This prep company is making millions off of gaming the TJ admissions process.
Added on top of that the this prep company virtually ONLY preps students of one specific background. Added to that almost no Hispanic or black students were admitted and girls were sorely underrepresented as well. It just looks disgusting and simply cannot continue.
Our very own Varsity Blues-type scandal for FCPS. Awesome, thanks cheaters for creating a problem during a time when there are already plenty of problems.
Huh? This sounds like the Princeton review and how it helped thousands in the 90s prep for the SAT. I may be wrong but I kind of remember they had their own teachers sign up for and take the SATs regularly
Anonymous
05/28/2024 08:59
Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
I’d take Langley, McLean, Chantilly, or Oakton over TJ in a heartbeat now, if zoned for those schools. On the other hand, if TJ is your alternative to Annandale, Mount Vernon, or Justice, it’s a different analysis.
Anonymous
05/28/2024 08:55
Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
Anonymous wrote:All this crap about Curie can be true but it still doesn't change the fact that all the email traffic between the board members discussing this change was concerned about the embarrassingly low number of black and hispanic students at TJ. It still doesn't change the fact that they specifically discussed and dismissed the negative impact it would have on asians and only asians.
There is really no denying the changes were driven by a desire to racially balance the student population at TJ. A desire to put race ahead of merit.
Some of the effects of this racially driven change are not horrible. Higher FARM population, more diversity, lower overall stress level surrounding what is essentially a random admissions process, lower overall stress level at the school because only about 1/3rd of the kids would have gotten in under a merit based admissions process. But the end result is a less competitive school and a bunch of gifted kids stuck at their base school.
Fake stories about Curie are a innovative marketing technique. Now we are learning that Curie also has summer courses that are getting filled fast.
Anonymous
05/28/2024 08:47
Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
All this crap about Curie can be true but it still doesn't change the fact that all the email traffic between the board members discussing this change was concerned about the embarrassingly low number of black and hispanic students at TJ. It still doesn't change the fact that they specifically discussed and dismissed the negative impact it would have on asians and only asians.
There is really no denying the changes were driven by a desire to racially balance the student population at TJ. A desire to put race ahead of merit.
Some of the effects of this racially driven change are not horrible. Higher FARM population, more diversity, lower overall stress level surrounding what is essentially a random admissions process, lower overall stress level at the school because only about 1/3rd of the kids would have gotten in under a merit based admissions process. But the end result is a less competitive school and a bunch of gifted kids stuck at their base school.
There is really no denying the changes were driven by a desire to racially balance the student population at TJ. A desire to put race ahead of merit.
Some of the effects of this racially driven change are not horrible. Higher FARM population, more diversity, lower overall stress level surrounding what is essentially a random admissions process, lower overall stress level at the school because only about 1/3rd of the kids would have gotten in under a merit based admissions process. But the end result is a less competitive school and a bunch of gifted kids stuck at their base school.
Anonymous
05/21/2024 15:05
Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.
Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.
TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?
Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.
You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.
Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).
All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.
You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.
You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.
You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.
People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.
I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.
“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”
Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.
If you want links there are links.
Yes. I want links. Post them right here, in response to this post. I know you'll come up with some excuse as to why you won't rather than ponying up with the links. You've made it abundantly clear that you have no links to anything other than old dcum threads.
Here you go. You can see other references to Curie in other TJ Vents posts as well if you do a simple search - explaining how students had to give up their clubs in order to do Curie and the like.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl
Thanks for posting something. I'm still not sure how much weight to give something anonymously posted on social media, especially when the poster didn't personally attend Curie or claim to see the test. In the comments, there weren't any kids who corroborated seeing the test at their prep center.
It's understandable and forgivable that you don't know this, but at TJ among the students, the details of this situation are generally accepted and understood.
Anonymous
05/21/2024 14:42
Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.
Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.
TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?
Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.
You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.
Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).
All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.
You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.
You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.
You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.
People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.
I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.
“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”
Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.
If you want links there are links.
Yes. I want links. Post them right here, in response to this post. I know you'll come up with some excuse as to why you won't rather than ponying up with the links. You've made it abundantly clear that you have no links to anything other than old dcum threads.
Here you go. You can see other references to Curie in other TJ Vents posts as well if you do a simple search - explaining how students had to give up their clubs in order to do Curie and the like.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl
Thanks for posting something. I'm still not sure how much weight to give something anonymously posted on social media, especially when the poster didn't personally attend Curie or claim to see the test. In the comments, there weren't any kids who corroborated seeing the test at their prep center.
Anonymous
05/21/2024 14:31
Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.
Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.
TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?
Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.
You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.
Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).
All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.
You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.
You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.
You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.
People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.
I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.
“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”
Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.
If you want links there are links.
Yes. I want links. Post them right here, in response to this post. I know you'll come up with some excuse as to why you won't rather than ponying up with the links. You've made it abundantly clear that you have no links to anything other than old dcum threads.
Here you go. You can see other references to Curie in other TJ Vents posts as well if you do a simple search - explaining how students had to give up their clubs in order to do Curie and the like.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl
Anonymous
05/21/2024 14:28
Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/906227.page
Guys, this is as close to the "scandal" as I can find. One prep center was doing too good. I can see they prepped similar tests and the students, in their excitement and remember they are 14, boasted that they got the "exact" prep question.
Harvesting past test question isn't cheating. Guys.
Guys, this is as close to the "scandal" as I can find. One prep center was doing too good. I can see they prepped similar tests and the students, in their excitement and remember they are 14, boasted that they got the "exact" prep question.
Harvesting past test question isn't cheating. Guys.
Anonymous
05/21/2024 14:07
Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread just reveals that the same unfounded claim has been repeated since the beginning.
Pretty funny actually. Thanks for proving that there has never been any proof of cheating… even since the beginning.
TJ students explained how it all went down. Do you think a bunch of them are lying?
Link to a story or account of the cheating. No one thinks that kids are lying. We all think you're the one lying, since you keep asserting that things happened without providing any proof. Yeah, I know you'll just insist that there are numerous links in the thread. Or you'll post something that proves that rich kids are doing test prep or something. You claim there's proof. Post it right here and now. Indicate exactly where they specifically talk about cheating.
You are confusing posters. I never said “cheating”.
Affluent families pushed their kids to do test prep - using actual test answers that were unethically obtained and shared (breaking NDA).
All of the parents’ efforts trying to cheat the system were one of the reasons why they changed the admissions process.
You still haven't provided any proof of anything. Please cite a news article or something reputable showing that actual test answers were used and NDAs were broken. Likewise, please cite something showing that cheating was a reason that they changed the admissions process. I have read things indicating that the school board was afraid that affluence lead to an unfair advantage, but I haven't read anything specifically about cheating.
You are clearly not reading any of my posts. I’ve posted much of this. Go back and re-read the current threads.
You’re too lazy to read all of the million old threads covering this and too lazy to read recent posts. And yet you continue to whine about “proof”. Seems like you’re just being oppositional at this point.
People posting stuff on a message board does not equal proof. You can't keep citing anonymous posts on dcum as proof of anything. You still haven't anywhere posted an actual news article from a reputable source directly stating any of the things you've claimed. Once again, post right here. If you can't post a link to a real news article corroborating anything you've claimed, then you are de facto admitting that the proof does not exist.
I haven’t “claimed” anything about news articles.
“I’m too lazy to read the old threads so none of that ever happened.”
Old threads = lots of randos saying stuff that hasn't been vetted. I mean, by your logic, the same person posting the same thing over and over somehow equals proof of something.
If you want links there are links.
It doesn't matter how many links are posted the C4TJ set will ignore it and continue to gaslight.
Well, right now, the number of links posted that are germane to the topic and not just links to discussions on dcum or other anonymous boards is zero. No real links have been posted. None. You're the one gaslighting by insisting that links are being provided when there are no links.
There were at least 3 separate links I saw in the past day, including TJ's student paper, WaPo, and one more that discussed this issue. Not sure why you are ignoring these.
Oh. I get it now. The problem is that you're functionally illiterate. The TJ student paper was about cheating on midterms within TJ. Not at all germane to the discussion and not addressing Quant-Q cheating. Another few links were people saying that they were concerned that test prep writ large conferred an unfair advantage. Again, the link was not at all germane.
I'll give you a hint. You can't just post random links not about the topic at hand and claim them as proof.
Cheating at TJ was rampant before the changes to the selection process.
New poster here, define cheating. Somehow the word is thrown around and lost its meaning. Prep for a test using past year's questions is not cheating. That's called studying.
Not when test takers signed an NDA stating that they would not disclose questions from the test and the company that makes the test does not reveal questions to outsiders and markets the test as one that can’t be prepped.
And the proof of this is where? (and once again, you'll find some excuse as to why you simply can't provide proof or you'll link to dcum threads, because you're just a lying troll).