Anonymous wrote:If things fall apart for any school in the fall, why so much hope for an in person spring? Honestly trying to figure that one out though I want it to be true. January is a more sick time of year in general and the vaccine probably won’t be available for all by then when colleges would have to go through this very expensive and arduous process all over again. What exactly are hopes being pinned on? The virus goes away?

My hope, perhaps irrational, is that the schools figure a bit more out what tends to lead to outbreaks in their particular setting, manage some of the unexpected stress points, figure out how to better support students' social lives under these conditions etc. Schools don't typically start until the latter half of January--maybe they tilt the spring semester a little later Feb-late May? And a part of me hopes that even if there isn't sufficient vaccine production at that point, there will be massive new kind of "3.5" phase vaccine trials at universities since it's an easy place to administer and monitor vaccines in a relatively healthy population and they can monitor effectiveness more systematically (since most people students would encounter would also be vaccinated). And maybe treatments will be even more well-established so the mortality rate goes down further. That's my naive wishful thinking though. You've got to have some hope.

Why even bother to be there

Locked in their rooms. Pointless to even be there.

How many kids have ended up in hospitals? Still zero, right?

What do you expect when they are locked in their rooms 24/7 ?

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Anonymous wrote:Look at that positivity rate trend...looking good. Go Irish.

Great news — way to go, Domers! Thanks for posting, PP.

Though on their best day they are still more per day than many similarly sized schools who are also open are per week. Glad to see the trend though.

That's great!

Anonymous wrote:Look at that positivity rate trend...looking good. Go Irish.

Great news — way to go, Domers! Thanks for posting, PP.

If things fall apart for any school in the fall, why so much hope for an in person spring? Honestly trying to figure that one out though I want it to be true. January is a more sick time of year in general and the vaccine probably won’t be available for all by then when colleges would have to go through this very expensive and arduous process all over again. What exactly are hopes being pinned on? The virus goes away?

Look at that positivity rate trend...looking good. Go Irish.

A look at the ND dashboard suggests they are flattening the curve of new infections. Now all they need to do is stay locked down in their dorm rooms for the rest of the semester and everything should be fine.

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Anonymous wrote:They can still chat in small groups, eat meals with friends, etc. sounds better than hanging out at home with Mom and Dad.

You don’t speak for all kids.

And is the chance to chat in small groups, eat with friends (at least until the weather isn't nice anymore), study in your own room, worth 7.5k for a semester? That's a fairly privileged choice for fairly weak returns. But to each his own.

Those who know Notre Dame, no explanation is necessary; those who don't, no explanation will suffice. Lou Holtz

Eh, ND is a big tradition in both my immediate and extended family. I personally never understood all the "love" beyond it being the most famous Catholic school and football, but even talking to the diehards in my family, they deemed it not worth it--in their view it would be more depressing to be there under these pale conditions. Better to save the money to live it up when things are closer to normal.

My kid is out there now. He said he hopes to stay. He has no desire to live in our basement, as nice and private as it is. He wants to be with his good college friends, who live all over the country. I hope they make it through. If not, I will pay for an apartment somewhere so he can continue to live with his friends during the distance learning.

Good luck to your kid. Being in the basement sucks! I have one starting remotely and he’s extremely disappointed, despite understanding the reasons. I worry that colleges are making the wrong choice but I’m not rooting for it to happen so I can be right. Fingers crossed that there’s a happy ending.

+1 I'm an earlier PP and my kid opted to do remote this semester based on a cost/benefit/risk analysis. It was--and still is--a tough decision. He misses his friends (though seems in steady virtual contact and has plenty of friends nearby) and it's tough to have all remote classes. My look at the data makes me think things don't currently bode well for this experiment not causing serious community spread, but I'm not rooting against the schools at all. I'm really, really hoping that it isn't a full-fledged disaster and that they figure some things to make it work better enough so my kid thinks it's worth it to go back in the spring--and that colleges will be in a position to open up again in spring. I want to be wrong! And I'm wishing well to all the kids who opted to spend the R&B money and give it a go under these conditions this fall.

I think ND is a little delusional thinking they can lock it down for a bit, covid will disappear, and then they can open back up. Have they not seen a single town, state, or country try that method in the past 6 months?

ND has hired more security as the kids in quarantine are skipping out of isolation and running around.

https://ndsmcobserver.com/2020/08/university-hires-security-to-monitor-students-in-quarantine-isolation/

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Anonymous wrote:They can still chat in small groups, eat meals with friends, etc. sounds better than hanging out at home with Mom and Dad.

You don’t speak for all kids.

And is the chance to chat in small groups, eat with friends (at least until the weather isn't nice anymore), study in your own room, worth 7.5k for a semester? That's a fairly privileged choice for fairly weak returns. But to each his own.

Those who know Notre Dame, no explanation is necessary; those who don't, no explanation will suffice. Lou Holtz

Eh, ND is a big tradition in both my immediate and extended family. I personally never understood all the "love" beyond it being the most famous Catholic school and football, but even talking to the diehards in my family, they deemed it not worth it--in their view it would be more depressing to be there under these pale conditions. Better to save the money to live it up when things are closer to normal.

My kid is out there now. He said he hopes to stay. He has no desire to live in our basement, as nice and private as it is. He wants to be with his good college friends, who live all over the country. I hope they make it through. If not, I will pay for an apartment somewhere so he can continue to live with his friends during the distance learning.

Good luck to your kid. Being in the basement sucks! I have one starting remotely and he’s extremely disappointed, despite understanding the reasons. I worry that colleges are making the wrong choice but I’m not rooting for it to happen so I can be right. Fingers crossed that there’s a happy ending.