Anonymous
Post 08/16/2020 22:06     Subject: FCPS Appeals decision are out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It seems like there is a lawsuit here. Just look at page 40 of this report on AAP to FCPS:

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BPLQKV69B096/$file/FCPS%20final%20report%2005.05.20.pdf

“The review team is aware, around the country, of central administrators’ general hostility toward the concept of advanced education, but even we were surprised at the depth of that feeling among some FCPS central administrators and some principals. Even the idea that advanced students may have academic needs that cannot be met in the regular classroom was met with scorn by many FCPS personnel working in the central administration. When asked for support for their strong beliefs, they vaguely referred to “research” that gifted education does not work, or that teachers can effectively differentiate for the entire range of performance and ability levels they may find in their classrooms or that the implementation of strategies to increase growth mindset would be sufficient to address the educational needs of gifted students. Several administrators shared that they would do away with all AAP services if not for “the political blowback,” as one person phrased it (they were not aware that having advanced programming is required in Virginia, providing additional evidence that knowledge about advanced learning is in need of improvement among this group of FCPS educators).”

Yikes.

And take a glance at the data on pages 36-38. Double yikes.




Sounds like our recently retired principal. So infuriating.


Someone should email Kristen Maloney that section of the report with a highlight for Braband. Good grief. We all knew the crackpots at Central were just that, but to have it written in a report-what a fringin' mess!
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2020 22:05     Subject: FCPS Appeals decision are out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It seems like there is a lawsuit here. Just look at page 40 of this report on AAP to FCPS:

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BPLQKV69B096/$file/FCPS%20final%20report%2005.05.20.pdf

“The review team is aware, around the country, of central administrators’ general hostility toward the concept of advanced education, but even we were surprised at the depth of that feeling among some FCPS central administrators and some principals. Even the idea that advanced students may have academic needs that cannot be met in the regular classroom was met with scorn by many FCPS personnel working in the central administration. When asked for support for their strong beliefs, they vaguely referred to “research” that gifted education does not work, or that teachers can effectively differentiate for the entire range of performance and ability levels they may find in their classrooms or that the implementation of strategies to increase growth mindset would be sufficient to address the educational needs of gifted students. Several administrators shared that they would do away with all AAP services if not for “the political blowback,” as one person phrased it (they were not aware that having advanced programming is required in Virginia, providing additional evidence that knowledge about advanced learning is in need of improvement among this group of FCPS educators).”

Yikes.

And take a glance at the data on pages 36-38. Double yikes.


Someone should email Kristen Maloney that section of the report with a highlight for Braband. Good grief. We all knew the crackpots at Central were just that, but to have it written in a report-what a fringin' mess!

Sounds like our recently retired principal. So infuriating.
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2020 08:49     Subject: FCPS Appeals decision are out
Anonymous wrote:It seems like there is a lawsuit here. Just look at page 40 of this report on AAP to FCPS:

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BPLQKV69B096/$file/FCPS%20final%20report%2005.05.20.pdf

“The review team is aware, around the country, of central administrators’ general hostility toward the concept of advanced education, but even we were surprised at the depth of that feeling among some FCPS central administrators and some principals. Even the idea that advanced students may have academic needs that cannot be met in the regular classroom was met with scorn by many FCPS personnel working in the central administration. When asked for support for their strong beliefs, they vaguely referred to “research” that gifted education does not work, or that teachers can effectively differentiate for the entire range of performance and ability levels they may find in their classrooms or that the implementation of strategies to increase growth mindset would be sufficient to address the educational needs of gifted students. Several administrators shared that they would do away with all AAP services if not for “the political blowback,” as one person phrased it (they were not aware that having advanced programming is required in Virginia, providing additional evidence that knowledge about advanced learning is in need of improvement among this group of FCPS educators).”

Yikes.

And take a glance at the data on pages 36-38. Double yikes.


Sounds like our recently retired principal. So infuriating.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2020 21:54     Subject: FCPS Appeals decision are out
It seems like there is a lawsuit here. Just look at page 40 of this report on AAP to FCPS:

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BPLQKV69B096/$file/FCPS%20final%20report%2005.05.20.pdf

“The review team is aware, around the country, of central administrators’ general hostility toward the concept of advanced education, but even we were surprised at the depth of that feeling among some FCPS central administrators and some principals. Even the idea that advanced students may have academic needs that cannot be met in the regular classroom was met with scorn by many FCPS personnel working in the central administration. When asked for support for their strong beliefs, they vaguely referred to “research” that gifted education does not work, or that teachers can effectively differentiate for the entire range of performance and ability levels they may find in their classrooms or that the implementation of strategies to increase growth mindset would be sufficient to address the educational needs of gifted students. Several administrators shared that they would do away with all AAP services if not for “the political blowback,” as one person phrased it (they were not aware that having advanced programming is required in Virginia, providing additional evidence that knowledge about advanced learning is in need of improvement among this group of FCPS educators).”

Yikes.

And take a glance at the data on pages 36-38. Double yikes.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2020 21:31     Subject: FCPS Appeals decision are out
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/justice-department-accuses-yale-of-illegal-bias-against-white-asian-american-applicants-in-admissions/2020/08/13/d99a7376-dda5-11ea-8051-d5f887d73381_story.html

One more hot off the presses ... maybe FCPS shouldn’t move too quickly on this bend and be caught running afoul (and ahead) of current litigation
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2020 19:35     Subject: Re:FCPS Appeals decision are out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a white family in my neighborhood that brought a lawyer to the table. Her kid was smart, not nearly that high IQ though.
One meeting with the lawyer and next thing the kid is at the LIV center.

Lawyer up folks. Get your friends together and do it if necessary. Demand transparency and guidelines. This is public school, the public has a say.


Any info on who the lawyer was?


I'm in. Are there any lawyers here who would be willing to get this started?


If people want to get together and pursue this further, I for one, am up for that. But we need to take it off this group and actually take real action. It isn’t even about our individual children, but about clarity in this whole process!


I am a lawyer. But I am not registered in VA. I was given the name of the lawyers that pursued Special Needs rights for FCPS (and how they were/are being restrained.) I may email them and ask if there is some sort of a class suit or quicker action to be taken. If anyone wants to find out, the names I was given was :


Kevin Byrnes

https://fhhfirm.com/kevin-byrnes


Regina Kline

https://www.browngold.com/team/gina-kline





Please keep us posted on their responses. I do think legal action may be the only recourse.



So I did connect with one of the attorneys. They said the problem is that courts or a jury would not view gifted kids as a protected class similar to special ed kids. The immediate judgement would be a bunch of helicopter parents. The only way this would have legs is to say that it unfairly affects a certain ethnicity. For example, if Asian Americans are held to a higher standard and not everyone is viewed objectively despite their race, there is something there. But gifted kids alone is not a protected class. Also, any of this is a long process.


The road to proving that it unfairly prejudices Asian Americans is a long road and we should all await judgment by the Supreme Court if it ever takes up the case because SFA will undoubtedly fail to prove the case in Appeals Court. In the meantime, familiarize yourselves with the 'actual' case that will count a whole heckova lot more than where FCPS's AAP program lands on your individual case.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/harvard-admissions-lawsuit.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/28/magazine/affirmative-action-asian-american-harvard.html?module=inline&login=smartlock&auth=login-smartlock


Montgomery County is dealing with a lawsuit from parents for how asian students were being held at higher standards for the middle school magnet program

This is the first thing that came up on google not sure what the current status is

https://www.baltimoresun.com/education/bs-md-montogomery-county-schools-racial-discrimination-20190422-story.html
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2020 09:28     Subject: FCPS Appeals decision are out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To the 22:32 PP:
How can you justify the teachers’ and committee members decisions when so many kids who were accepted to AAP aren’t getting pass advanced (sometimes aren’t even passing) SOLs and are massively bombing the IAAT. Most of the kids in AAP are pretty mediocre and unremarkable in every way.


Then make AAP the default, have a remdial class, and a GT class for the kids who are off the charts smart.


Our AART is an advocate for “AAP for all” so technically everyone gets some AAP but the pace is still incredibly slow and a single teacher can not differentiate appropriately for such a wide spread of abilities in one class. I’m at a center school that is not quite a title 1 school, but would benefit immensely from those resources. Maybe it will be Title 1 soon—the class size caps would be a huge help. Our school consistently has 25 kids in each ES class, and usually only one class with an aide at each grade level after K. In 2nd grade it was unbelievable how far apart some kids were, with no classroom aide or tutors. I suppose when the higher achieving kids go to AAP it makes it a bit easier to manage, but we need smaller classes and more teachers in gen ed. Big time. A neighboring Title 1 school had local level 4 and parents seem happy there. Maybe the thresholds for Title 1 funds need to budge a bit. Currently its only for schools with more than 50% FARMS, which is very high.
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2020 00:09     Subject: FCPS Appeals decision are out
Anonymous wrote:Oh FFS: Save your school system and stop with the lawyers. IDEA does not cover GT. Doing this legal sht just makes the system waste money and only the JDs win. Stop it. And it doesn't matter. If your kid is GT, they will win in the end unless you ruin them by telling them that they are special and don't need to work for accomplishments.


You mean save the same school system which is already terrifying because it (1) doesn't provide an basic, nominally challenging education for our kids, and (2) clearly isn't paying attention to them or their education or else it wouldn't have been possible to have missed them in the first place?
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2020 21:57     Subject: FCPS Appeals decision are out
Oh FFS: Save your school system and stop with the lawyers. IDEA does not cover GT. Doing this legal sht just makes the system waste money and only the JDs win. Stop it. And it doesn't matter. If your kid is GT, they will win in the end unless you ruin them by telling them that they are special and don't need to work for accomplishments.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2020 20:26     Subject: FCPS Appeals decision are out
Anonymous wrote:To the 22:32 PP:
How can you justify the teachers’ and committee members decisions when so many kids who were accepted to AAP aren’t getting pass advanced (sometimes aren’t even passing) SOLs and are massively bombing the IAAT. Most of the kids in AAP are pretty mediocre and unremarkable in every way.


Then make AAP the default, have a remdial class, and a GT class for the kids who are off the charts smart.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2020 15:37     Subject: Re:FCPS Appeals decision are out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a white family in my neighborhood that brought a lawyer to the table. Her kid was smart, not nearly that high IQ though.
One meeting with the lawyer and next thing the kid is at the LIV center.

Lawyer up folks. Get your friends together and do it if necessary. Demand transparency and guidelines. This is public school, the public has a say.


Any info on who the lawyer was?


I'm in. Are there any lawyers here who would be willing to get this started?


If people want to get together and pursue this further, I for one, am up for that. But we need to take it off this group and actually take real action. It isn’t even about our individual children, but about clarity in this whole process!


I am a lawyer. But I am not registered in VA. I was given the name of the lawyers that pursued Special Needs rights for FCPS (and how they were/are being restrained.) I may email them and ask if there is some sort of a class suit or quicker action to be taken. If anyone wants to find out, the names I was given was :


Kevin Byrnes

https://fhhfirm.com/kevin-byrnes


Regina Kline

https://www.browngold.com/team/gina-kline





Please keep us posted on their responses. I do think legal action may be the only recourse.



So I did connect with one of the attorneys. They said the problem is that courts or a jury would not view gifted kids as a protected class similar to special ed kids. The immediate judgement would be a bunch of helicopter parents. The only way this would have legs is to say that it unfairly affects a certain ethnicity. For example, if Asian Americans are held to a higher standard and not everyone is viewed objectively despite their race, there is something there. But gifted kids alone is not a protected class. Also, any of this is a long process.


The road to proving that it unfairly prejudices Asian Americans is a long road and we should all await judgment by the Supreme Court if it ever takes up the case because SFA will undoubtedly fail to prove the case in Appeals Court. In the meantime, familiarize yourselves with the 'actual' case that will count a whole heckova lot more than where FCPS's AAP program lands on your individual case.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/harvard-admissions-lawsuit.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/28/magazine/affirmative-action-asian-american-harvard.html?module=inline&login=smartlock&auth=login-smartlock
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2020 23:09     Subject: Re:FCPS Appeals decision are out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a white family in my neighborhood that brought a lawyer to the table. Her kid was smart, not nearly that high IQ though.
One meeting with the lawyer and next thing the kid is at the LIV center.

Lawyer up folks. Get your friends together and do it if necessary. Demand transparency and guidelines. This is public school, the public has a say.


Any info on who the lawyer was?


I'm in. Are there any lawyers here who would be willing to get this started?


If people want to get together and pursue this further, I for one, am up for that. But we need to take it off this group and actually take real action. It isn’t even about our individual children, but about clarity in this whole process!


I am a lawyer. But I am not registered in VA. I was given the name of the lawyers that pursued Special Needs rights for FCPS (and how they were/are being restrained.) I may email them and ask if there is some sort of a class suit or quicker action to be taken. If anyone wants to find out, the names I was given was :


Kevin Byrnes

https://fhhfirm.com/kevin-byrnes


Regina Kline

https://www.browngold.com/team/gina-kline





Please keep us posted on their responses. I do think legal action may be the only recourse.



So I did connect with one of the attorneys. They said the problem is that courts or a jury would not view gifted kids as a protected class similar to special ed kids. The immediate judgement would be a bunch of helicopter parents. The only way this would have legs is to say that it unfairly affects a certain ethnicity. For example, if Asian Americans are held to a higher standard and not everyone is viewed objectively despite their race, there is something there. But gifted kids alone is not a protected class. Also, any of this is a long process.
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2020 22:55     Subject: FCPS Appeals decision are out
Anonymous wrote:
When will the NBA lower the hoop to get more white/asian players?


*1
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2020 22:15     Subject: FCPS Appeals decision are out
Pitchforks and torches down already?
31 pages not bad but 2013 still holds the record at 90+
FCPS does great work and your kids will thrive so long as you spend more time with them than you spend posting online

Lots of years ahead
3rd grade is only the 3rd grade and a lot will happen


Anonymous
Post 08/05/2020 17:16     Subject: Re:FCPS Appeals decision are out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a white family in my neighborhood that brought a lawyer to the table. Her kid was smart, not nearly that high IQ though.
One meeting with the lawyer and next thing the kid is at the LIV center.

Lawyer up folks. Get your friends together and do it if necessary. Demand transparency and guidelines. This is public school, the public has a say.


Any info on who the lawyer was?


I'm in. Are there any lawyers here who would be willing to get this started?


If people want to get together and pursue this further, I for one, am up for that. But we need to take it off this group and actually take real action. It isn’t even about our individual children, but about clarity in this whole process!


I am a lawyer. But I am not registered in VA. I was given the name of the lawyers that pursued Special Needs rights for FCPS (and how they were/are being restrained.) I may email them and ask if there is some sort of a class suit or quicker action to be taken. If anyone wants to find out, the names I was given was :


Kevin Byrnes

https://fhhfirm.com/kevin-byrnes


Regina Kline

https://www.browngold.com/team/gina-kline





Please keep us posted on their responses. I do think legal action may be the only recourse.