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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Read your post again. The only one deciding life decisions for other people is YOU.

The person making the decision whether a child should be born or not -and the "not" could be due to poverty, having an abusive partner or just simply not being wanted- is the mother (and with input from the father) and the medical provider. No one making the pro-choice argument is saying that the decision should be driven by my standards, my neighbor's standards, or your standards. That's entirely the point, you twit. The decision is a personal one and you should keep your nose out of it. Unless you're going to adopt these babies no one wants, or who have special needs, or who were born to drug-riddled mothers. They exist (I actually know families who have adopted those children - gay families, by the way). And by the numbers of them still in foster care, I'm guess you haven't done so.

So why don't you start with the babies already here. And leave medical decisions between women and their providers just that-between them. Babies should be wanted.

All babies should be wanted. It's sad that they aren't. But the alternative is, unfortunately in many cases, a lot worse for these poor kids.

If abortion is a medical issue- it would take place in medical facilities.

It’s not. It’s an elective procedure that takes place in dedicated abortion clinics.

It’s a procedure of convenience and stats bear that out repeatedly.

That's nonsensical. A "dedicated abortion clinic" is a medical facility. But abortions take place in hospitals, clinics, and even at home. The same places that other medical issues are addressed.

Abortion has, for the most part, been performed in the U.S. since its legalization: in freestanding clinics, separate from hospitals and the rest of the medical establishment.

Some hospitals do provide abortions; medically complex abortions.

But the clinics do the bulk of the procedures and provide training and other essential services. Many hospitals, for political reasons, don’t provide abortion training. They will be defunded.

Many hospitals refuse to provide abortions because they help people live and aren’t in the business of elective procedures to kill healthy unborn babies. Medical staff are resistant because of first do no harm and all.

The vast majority of abortions take place in dedicated free standing abortion clinics.

Your propaganda is patently false. Outright lying.

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

I approve of mothers who make the decision not to bring a child into a bad situation. You get to do you. See how that works.

I've gotta say that this is the worst argument ever in favor of abortion.

Here's your choice:

(1) don't live at all, or
(2) be in a horribly sh*tty situation that you might/might not escape.

Every human being ever would choose door #1.

The "abortion is saving kids from sh*tty lives" argument is preposterous.

+1

Also imagine the crazies who pass a death sentence on a baby because they don’t think the child will have a “good” childhood?

Especially THIS place, that features parents that battle to the death to get their precious into a chi-chi private and obsess over every aspect of their child’s life.

I don’t think dcum childhood standards should be considered the standard for every child.

If dcum has it’s way-and I know this to be true- a huge swath of black children would be killed in utero because of the quality of life issues they experience in childhood.

From reading here I have come to believe that liberals see abortion as a way of reducing the “undesirables,” as Sanger did.

They may not call it that, but they have embraced that actual solution quite openly.

It’s really sick. Kids should not be killed because they aren’t going to have dcum lives.

It is NOT about the kids' lives. They don't have lives yet. They are potential lives. They aren't truly a person until they are born.

It's about the mothers' lives. The living, breathing women who are here today. It's a shame you don't value them at all.

They are living humans in the earliest stage of development.

They are alive and thus must be killed during abortion. Anything not “alive” would not have to be killed.

The safe, legal, and rare abortion mantra is an utter falsehood.

The pendulum is swinging back, after lies and overreach.

The women who seek abortion were valued at the beginning of their lives because they were born- value the refuse to give their own children.

It will be a process.

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — A proposal to ban abortions in Louisiana as early as the sixth week of pregnancy continued to speed through the state legislature Wednesday, the same day Alabama’s governor signed the nation’s most restrictive law against the procedure.

Without objection, the Louisiana House Health and Welfare Committee backed legislation to prohibit abortions when a fetal heartbeat is detected, similar to laws passed in several conservative states that are aimed at challenging the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1973 decision that legalized abortion. Louisiana’s ban, however, only would take effect if a federal appeals court upholds a similar law in Mississippi.

This is not just about Alabama. We are seeing these extreme bills being introduced across the country,” said Planned Parenthood President Leana Wen in a call with reporters Wednesday. “These extreme bans banning abortions at six weeks or earlier, before women even know we’re pregnant, is happening in 16 states.”


https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/legal-battle-heats-states-test-strict-abortion-bans

So remove the embryo/fetus from the uterus and see what happens. Is it viable? No. They are not fully formed yet, not capable of living on their own.

However, there is life that is viable -- the mother. The mother is fully formed. She controls her own body. The unborn child doesn't control it. You don't control it. She controls it. End of story.


And, yes, there are disgusting people all over our country who are trying to take away women's bodily autonomy. Like rapists trying to insert themselves into women's vaginas to demonstrate their power and force.

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Read your post again. The only one deciding life decisions for other people is YOU.

The person making the decision whether a child should be born or not -and the "not" could be due to poverty, having an abusive partner or just simply not being wanted- is the mother (and with input from the father) and the medical provider. No one making the pro-choice argument is saying that the decision should be driven by my standards, my neighbor's standards, or your standards. That's entirely the point, you twit. The decision is a personal one and you should keep your nose out of it. Unless you're going to adopt these babies no one wants, or who have special needs, or who were born to drug-riddled mothers. They exist (I actually know families who have adopted those children - gay families, by the way). And by the numbers of them still in foster care, I'm guess you haven't done so.

So why don't you start with the babies already here. And leave medical decisions between women and their providers just that-between them. Babies should be wanted.

All babies should be wanted. It's sad that they aren't. But the alternative is, unfortunately in many cases, a lot worse for these poor kids.

If abortion is a medical issue- it would take place in medical facilities.

It’s not. It’s an elective procedure that takes place in dedicated abortion clinics.

It’s a procedure of convenience and stats bear that out repeatedly.

My son got his tonsils out at a dedicated tonsillectomy clinic. It was an elective procedure. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Read your post again. The only one deciding life decisions for other people is YOU.

The person making the decision whether a child should be born or not -and the "not" could be due to poverty, having an abusive partner or just simply not being wanted- is the mother (and with input from the father) and the medical provider. No one making the pro-choice argument is saying that the decision should be driven by my standards, my neighbor's standards, or your standards. That's entirely the point, you twit. The decision is a personal one and you should keep your nose out of it. Unless you're going to adopt these babies no one wants, or who have special needs, or who were born to drug-riddled mothers. They exist (I actually know families who have adopted those children - gay families, by the way). And by the numbers of them still in foster care, I'm guess you haven't done so.

So why don't you start with the babies already here. And leave medical decisions between women and their providers just that-between them. Babies should be wanted.

All babies should be wanted. It's sad that they aren't. But the alternative is, unfortunately in many cases, a lot worse for these poor kids.

If abortion is a medical issue- it would take place in medical facilities.

It’s not. It’s an elective procedure that takes place in dedicated abortion clinics.

It’s a procedure of convenience and stats bear that out repeatedly.

That's nonsensical. A "dedicated abortion clinic" is a medical facility. But abortions take place in hospitals, clinics, and even at home. The same places that other medical issues are addressed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Read your post again. The only one deciding life decisions for other people is YOU.

The person making the decision whether a child should be born or not -and the "not" could be due to poverty, having an abusive partner or just simply not being wanted- is the mother (and with input from the father) and the medical provider. No one making the pro-choice argument is saying that the decision should be driven by my standards, my neighbor's standards, or your standards. That's entirely the point, you twit. The decision is a personal one and you should keep your nose out of it. Unless you're going to adopt these babies no one wants, or who have special needs, or who were born to drug-riddled mothers. They exist (I actually know families who have adopted those children - gay families, by the way). And by the numbers of them still in foster care, I'm guess you haven't done so.

So why don't you start with the babies already here. And leave medical decisions between women and their providers just that-between them. Babies should be wanted.

All babies should be wanted. It's sad that they aren't. But the alternative is, unfortunately in many cases, a lot worse for these poor kids.

If abortion is a medical issue- it would take place in medical facilities.

It’s not. It’s an elective procedure that takes place in dedicated abortion clinics.

It’s a procedure of convenience and stats bear that out repeatedly.

Anonymous wrote:It's not about abortion, it is about autonomy. Either women own their bodies or they don't. Apparently our neighbors to the South seem to think women do not own their bodies.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Alabama ranks 50th (DEAD LAST) in education. And we're supposed to believe this bill is really about the children, and not their hatred of women?

Actually California ranks dead last in educational attainment.

California: % HS grads: 79.5% rank: 50
% Bachelor degree: 21.0% rank: 50
% advanced degree: 7.5% rank 50

Alabama: % HS grads: 85.3% rank 43%
% Bachelor: 24.5% rank 44
% Advanced: 9.1% rank 40

Sorry, Alabama is a shitty place to go to school:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

And a shitty place to live (#49):
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/alabama


Womp womp.

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Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

I approve of mothers who make the decision not to bring a child into a bad situation. You get to do you. See how that works.

I've gotta say that this is the worst argument ever in favor of abortion.

Here's your choice:

(1) don't live at all, or
(2) be in a horribly sh*tty situation that you might/might not escape.

Every human being ever would choose door #1.

The "abortion is saving kids from sh*tty lives" argument is preposterous.

+1

Also imagine the crazies who pass a death sentence on a baby because they don’t think the child will have a “good” childhood?

Especially THIS place, that features parents that battle to the death to get their precious into a chi-chi private and obsess over every aspect of their child’s life.

I don’t think dcum childhood standards should be considered the standard for every child.

If dcum has it’s way-and I know this to be true- a huge swath of black children would be killed in utero because of the quality of life issues they experience in childhood.

From reading here I have come to believe that liberals see abortion as a way of reducing the “undesirables,” as Sanger did.

They may not call it that, but they have embraced that actual solution quite openly.

It’s really sick. Kids should not be killed because they aren’t going to have dcum lives.

It is NOT about the kids' lives. They don't have lives yet. They are potential lives. They aren't truly a person until they are born.

It's about the mothers' lives. The living, breathing women who are here today. It's a shame you don't value them at all.

They are living humans in the earliest stage of development.

They are alive and thus must be killed during abortion. Anything not “alive” would not have to be killed.

The safe, legal, and rare abortion mantra is an utter falsehood.

The pendulum is swinging back, after lies and overreach.

The women who seek abortion were valued at the beginning of their lives because they were born- value the refuse to give their own children.

It will be a process.

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — A proposal to ban abortions in Louisiana as early as the sixth week of pregnancy continued to speed through the state legislature Wednesday, the same day Alabama’s governor signed the nation’s most restrictive law against the procedure.

Without objection, the Louisiana House Health and Welfare Committee backed legislation to prohibit abortions when a fetal heartbeat is detected, similar to laws passed in several conservative states that are aimed at challenging the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1973 decision that legalized abortion. Louisiana’s ban, however, only would take effect if a federal appeals court upholds a similar law in Mississippi.

This is not just about Alabama. We are seeing these extreme bills being introduced across the country,” said Planned Parenthood President Leana Wen in a call with reporters Wednesday. “These extreme bans banning abortions at six weeks or earlier, before women even know we’re pregnant, is happening in 16 states.”


https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/legal-battle-heats-states-test-strict-abortion-bans

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we will only approve of a baby being born if the baby will have a privileged and problem free childhood?

Let's start with....wanted.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Every child deserves to be born.

You don’t get to decide that because a child’s family doesn’t meet your standards, they should die.

Read your post again. The only one deciding life decisions for other people is YOU.

The person making the decision whether a child should be born or not -and the "not" could be due to poverty, having an abusive partner or just simply not being wanted- is the mother (and with input from the father) and the medical provider. No one making the pro-choice argument is saying that the decision should be driven by my standards, my neighbor's standards, or your standards. That's entirely the point, you twit. The decision is a personal one and you should keep your nose out of it. Unless you're going to adopt these babies no one wants, or who have special needs, or who were born to drug-riddled mothers. They exist (I actually know families who have adopted those children - gay families, by the way). And by the numbers of them still in foster care, I'm guess you haven't done so.

So why don't you start with the babies already here. And leave medical decisions between women and their providers just that-between them. Babies should be wanted.

All babies should be wanted. It's sad that they aren't. But the alternative is, unfortunately in many cases, a lot worse for these poor kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing wrong with leaving the legality of abortion to individual states.

Yes, there is. States are not allowed to decide about constitutionally protected rights. That's why we have a federal government and are not a confederacy.

Roe v Wade was a seriously flawed decision which needs to be modified or reversed.

Roe v Wade was flawed. The right to privacy was a made up thing at the time. But it is part of a line of a hugely important cases to the American pUblic. Right to access birth control, right to marry outside your race, right to engage in homosexual behavior, right to educate your children as you prefer (religious schooling), right to end medical “heroic measures”, right to compose your family as you see fit (it the context of laws banning multiple generations from living together”— these were all right to privacy cases.

If you get rid of the right to privacy, all these cases fall. Some, like being allowed to send kids to private or religious schools, conservative like.

The difference is that in the case of abortion, the rights of an unborn child is subjugated to the wishes of the woman carrying the child. Even Roe when it was decided was predicated on the viability of the fetus outside of the mother's womb which is why the abortions in the third semester was constrained. With medical advances that viability has become possible at an even earlier point in the pregnancy.

Not at 8 weeks.

Are you a parent? Or a person who knows anything about biology and medicine?

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing wrong with leaving the legality of abortion to individual states.

Yes, there is. States are not allowed to decide about constitutionally protected rights. That's why we have a federal government and are not a confederacy.

Roe v Wade was a seriously flawed decision which needs to be modified or reversed.

Roe v Wade was flawed. The right to privacy was a made up thing at the time. But it is part of a line of a hugely important cases to the American pUblic. Right to access birth control, right to marry outside your race, right to engage in homosexual behavior, right to educate your children as you prefer (religious schooling), right to end medical “heroic measures”, right to compose your family as you see fit (it the context of laws banning multiple generations from living together”— these were all right to privacy cases.

If you get rid of the right to privacy, all these cases fall. Some, like being allowed to send kids to private or religious schools, conservative like.

The difference is that in the case of abortion, the rights of an unborn child is subjugated to the wishes of the woman carrying the child. Even Roe when it was decided was predicated on the viability of the fetus outside of the mother's womb which is why the abortions in the third semester was constrained. With medical advances that viability has become possible at an even earlier point in the pregnancy.

A few years back I was in a department store dressing room and a lady in the dressing room next to me was yelling at her daughter. She said, "I wish I had never had you. You have ruined my whole life". The girl was crying. Believe me, my heart was breaking. Can you imagine the trauma that girl experienced? I experienced trauma just from hearing that.

I'm sorry, but not all people are meant to be parents and they should be able to decide that. I sure hope that woman did not have any more children.

Pro-forced brothers- we’re all on to you. We know you don’t care about unwanted and disabled kids the second their poor, slut of a mother decides to keep them. You’re all just miffed the supply of white healthy babies has dried up and you can’t profit off them anymore.

Anonymous wrote:Alabama Republicans so much as said that lab created embryos don't count

(If someone can do the image thing, I'd appreciate it - I've never taken the time to figure it out)
https://www.facebook.com/WeAreFUSE/photos/a.519205748146289/2307043119362534/?type=3&theater&ifg=1

Sure. Because it was never about the embryos.

Alabama Republicans so much as said that lab created embryos don't count

(If someone can do the image thing, I'd appreciate it - I've never taken the time to figure it out)
https://www.facebook.com/WeAreFUSE/photos/a.519205748146289/2307043119362534/?type=3&theater&ifg=1