Anonymous
Post 04/11/2017 00:23     Subject: Don't fly United
Did we ever find out if this guy is really a doctor?
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2017 00:22     Subject: Don't fly United
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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why the passenger thought he was so important the IDB rules didn't apply to him. I know he claimed to be a doctor, but...I just don't understand it. Airlines don't deny boarding to people based on the important of their jobs. Is there something else going on here?


I don't care if he were a welfare cheat. This shouldn't happen to anybody.


Right. But why didn't he just get off the plane? I fly 100K+ miles a year and I just don't understand this situation. That's where everything went wrong, so I'm not sure why everyone's harping on United.

(And for the record, I DESPISE United and haven't flown them in 20 years. But I don't understand the uproar.)


Are you a flight attendent? did you fly those miles as an employee of united (or some similar airline)?

would you really just obediently get off the flight? would you just say "oh well! I didn't really need to go to that job interview! I'm sure something else will come up" or "I didn't really want to go to my father's funeral?" Or did you say "good thing I gave up all my vacation so I can fly one day early just in case this happens?"


I just said I haven't flown United in 20 years. I fly DL and AA, not as an employee.

And yes, I have obediently gotten off flights after being bumped. Only twice, but it's happened.



Well, then you are a sheep. I hope I'd do what that man did.


No, I'm not a sheep. I simply understand the conditions of carriage when I buy an airline ticket. It's really not complicated.



Ok, you win, mr. 100k miles. Now grab you cookie and leave us the fuck alone.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2017 00:21     Subject: Don't fly United
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Anonymous wrote:Ok my husband thinks it's ridiculous that this man could not obey police orders. He keeps saying that sure United was wrong, but not respecting authority is worse. Ugh

You and your husband are pathetic sheep. Ugh.


When a police officer tries to pull you over, do you obey or lead them on a high-speed chase?

If the victim had been informed of his legal rights under FAA regulations, he would have demanded $1,350.00 compensation on the spot.

Repeat:
On the spot.

Got that, pp?
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2017 00:19     Subject: Don't fly United
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Anonymous wrote:Ok my husband thinks it's ridiculous that this man could not obey police orders. He keeps saying that sure United was wrong, but not respecting authority is worse. Ugh

You and your husband are pathetic sheep. Ugh.


When a police officer tries to pull you over, do you obey or lead them on a high-speed chase?


You are an idiot.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2017 00:16     Subject: Don't fly United
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Anonymous wrote:Ok my husband thinks it's ridiculous that this man could not obey police orders. He keeps saying that sure United was wrong, but not respecting authority is worse. Ugh

You and your husband are pathetic sheep. Ugh.


When a police officer tries to pull you over, do you obey or lead them on a high-speed chase?
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2017 00:13     Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Ok my husband thinks it's ridiculous that this man could not obey police orders. He keeps saying that sure United was wrong, but not respecting authority is worse. Ugh

You and your husband are pathetic sheep. Ugh.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2017 00:04     Subject: Don't fly United
Ok my husband thinks it's ridiculous that this man could not obey police orders. He keeps saying that sure United was wrong, but not respecting authority is worse. Ugh
Anonymous
Post 04/10/2017 23:57     Subject: Don't fly United
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Anonymous wrote:This poor man is 69 years old I think. With his face/image plastered all over the internet without his permission. On the one hand it is good for videos to show how poorly people get treated in situations where it is likely the offending party (United) will deflect, deny, victim blame; but on the other the videos have gone viral and this poor man never agreed or gave his permission for them to be distributed. We all know what he looks like. Some speculate he isn't mentally sound when he renters the plane, etc. who know?! I wasn't there. I am not him. I think of my elderly father, who is 70. Holy shit, being manhandled like that, dragged out of a plane, everyone standing around taking videos but no one offering their seat. Imagine how he feels today. I would be embarrassed, even when United is totally in the wrong. Poor guy.


Exactly. I also thought about my father, and people who are not native speakers. Imagine the indignity, confusion ... and worse, what if that caused him a heart attack or another irreversible damage? There's a point in which these by the book rules need to be weighed against reality and humanity. Somehow I feel the enforcement was partly driven by racism. If the passenger was some heavy set white male, or another"protected " (=privileged,) category , like a serviceman in uniform etc, I highly doubt the process would have been the same.

The guy who DID the dragging is black, Bozo. Check your racism.
Anonymous
Post 04/10/2017 23:57     Subject: Don't fly United
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Anonymous wrote:This poor man is 69 years old I think. With his face/image plastered all over the internet without his permission. On the one hand it is good for videos to show how poorly people get treated in situations where it is likely the offending party (United) will deflect, deny, victim blame; but on the other the videos have gone viral and this poor man never agreed or gave his permission for them to be distributed. We all know what he looks like. Some speculate he isn't mentally sound when he renters the plane, etc. who know?! I wasn't there. I am not him. I think of my elderly father, who is 70. Holy shit, being manhandled like that, dragged out of a plane, everyone standing around taking videos but no one offering their seat. Imagine how he feels today. I would be embarrassed, even when United is totally in the wrong. Poor guy.


Exactly. I also thought about my father, and people who are not native speakers. Imagine the indignity, confusion ... and worse, what if that caused him a heart attack or another irreversible damage? There's a point in which these by the book rules need to be weighed against reality and humanity. Somehow I feel the enforcement was partly driven by racism. If the passenger was some heavy set white male, or another"protected " (=privileged,) category , like a serviceman in uniform etc, I highly doubt the process would have been the same.


The serviceman would be used to following orders from people in authority, so indeed I don't think there would be a need to drag such a person out of the plane.

3 other people on that flight were bumped also. They left without needing to be dragged out.
Anonymous
Post 04/10/2017 23:55     Subject: Don't fly United
"United Breaks Guitars" by Dave Carroll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo

He saw his Taylor guitar thrown around by United staff and they broke it. He gave them 9 months to compensate and he told them he would write 3 songs about it. They didn't care until he became international news. I think of his songs everytime I hear United Airlines.
Anonymous
Post 04/10/2017 23:48     Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:This poor man is 69 years old I think. With his face/image plastered all over the internet without his permission. On the one hand it is good for videos to show how poorly people get treated in situations where it is likely the offending party (United) will deflect, deny, victim blame; but on the other the videos have gone viral and this poor man never agreed or gave his permission for them to be distributed. We all know what he looks like. Some speculate he isn't mentally sound when he renters the plane, etc. who know?! I wasn't there. I am not him. I think of my elderly father, who is 70. Holy shit, being manhandled like that, dragged out of a plane, everyone standing around taking videos but no one offering their seat. Imagine how he feels today. I would be embarrassed, even when United is totally in the wrong. Poor guy.


Exactly. I also thought about my father, and people who are not native speakers. Imagine the indignity, confusion ... and worse, what if that caused him a heart attack or another irreversible damage? There's a point in which these by the book rules need to be weighed against reality and humanity. Somehow I feel the enforcement was partly driven by racism. If the passenger was some heavy set white male, or another"protected " (=privileged,) category , like a serviceman in uniform etc, I highly doubt the process would have been the same.
Anonymous
Post 04/10/2017 23:44     Subject: Don't fly United
Where's Mary F. Schiavo when you need her?
She's my hero! And warrior for airline safety and consumer protection.
Anonymous
Post 04/10/2017 23:36     Subject: Don't fly United
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Anonymous wrote:Eleanor Holmes Norton is on this:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/eleanor-holmes-norton-demands-congressional-hearing-over-united-airlines-fiasco/article/2619924

In all of our extensive travel only 1 of us saw a deplane request after or during boarding. And it was also United!


Between her and Elizabeth Warren, I hope United is left squirming. I'm honestly so disgusted at this point. Ugh.

Who else is fighting to protect consumers?


Kaine.

Any links to how he voted to protect airline passengers?

Or for any other politician?
Anonymous
Post 04/10/2017 23:35     Subject: Don't fly United
Too bad it's now getting run into the ground.
Anonymous
Post 04/10/2017 23:33     Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Continental is worse.


Again, so everyone understands -- Continental and United merged several years ago. The company, now named "United", is run by the Continental management. Smizek was from Continental before he got booted, and Munoz is from Continental. Continental runs the company.