Anonymous
03/27/2023 16:08
Subject: Re:Tell us about Kenyon...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Will a 1450 Sat and HHI at 150 be enough to be considered for Kenyon granted scholarship/aid?
Yes.
I don’t think merit aid has anything to do with HHI but 1450 seems like it’s high enough for consideration if transcript is very strong
Sometimes income (whether actual or a proxy like zip code) is considered for merit aid due to yield management. A donut hole family may be more easily persuaded by $20k than a very affluent one.
Is this true? Merit aid is determined strategically and not based on, um, merit.
Lots of people get merit without applying for aid though, so I'm not sure that's true.
Google it. It doesn’t always work like this but if often does. There are articles written about it and the algorithms. More money means higher chance of yield so college might also prefer giving 30k (or better yet 25k) to one kid and zero to other than 15k to each.
I get that, it is definately used to lure kids. But they don't always know what your finances are, so the amount is more about how much they want you than how much they guess you can afford.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 16:07
Subject: Tell us about Kenyon...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My DC attended a summer camp there. The advisers warned them not to go out of the campus. Safety was of concern especially for people who are not white.
That makes no sense whatsoever. Gambier is Kenyon, and Kenyon is Gambier. There's literally nothing else round, and during the summer it's like a ghost town.
Kenyon's got to be one of the prettiest college campuses in the country. (And it is in "the country.")
Anonymous
03/27/2023 16:05
Subject: Tell us about Kenyon...
FYI, looking at the NYT ranking tool from another thread, if you select only for academic profile for schools with under 3,000 students, Kenyon ranks #17. Which is higher than Reed, Davidson, Bowdoin, Macalester, Smith, Bates...
Anonymous
03/27/2023 15:56
Subject: Re:Tell us about Kenyon...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Will a 1450 Sat and HHI at 150 be enough to be considered for Kenyon granted scholarship/aid?
Yes.
I don’t think merit aid has anything to do with HHI but 1450 seems like it’s high enough for consideration if transcript is very strong
Sometimes income (whether actual or a proxy like zip code) is considered for merit aid due to yield management. A donut hole family may be more easily persuaded by $20k than a very affluent one.
Is this true? Merit aid is determined strategically and not based on, um, merit.
Lots of people get merit without applying for aid though, so I'm not sure that's true.
Google it. It doesn’t always work like this but if often does. There are articles written about it and the algorithms. More money means higher chance of yield so college might also prefer giving 30k (or better yet 25k) to one kid and zero to other than 15k to each.
I get it. I wonder though if schools even consider merit as a variable rather than just taking the list of admitted students and asking the computer to predict which ones will be the best ones to target. So a marginal kid might get merit over an exceptional kid. But it does seem like exceptional kids tend to be the ones who get merit aid
I think it’s a mix. They may need or want some top test scores. They may need kids to fill their class or have more certainty on their yield numbers.. They may want more full pays but with a little merit. They may want kids from Nebraska. They optimize their wishes with their finances and enrollment numbers. May lead to seemingly inexplicable results.
I wish they would spend more time, effort and $ on kids from Nebraska. Would make the place more interesting. Kenyon has basically become a satellite campus for DMV graduates. Mind you my DD loves the place. But her closest friends are all from the NE. Feels exactly like her experience at her private school in this area, except much less economically and racially diverse.
That may just be who they gravitate to. My DMV kid is there and their friends are from the Midwest and upper northwest. Unfortunately, no DMVers, which would have been nice to have if they returned home to this area after graduation.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 15:53
Subject: Re:Tell us about Kenyon...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Will a 1450 Sat and HHI at 150 be enough to be considered for Kenyon granted scholarship/aid?
Yes.
I don’t think merit aid has anything to do with HHI but 1450 seems like it’s high enough for consideration if transcript is very strong
Sometimes income (whether actual or a proxy like zip code) is considered for merit aid due to yield management. A donut hole family may be more easily persuaded by $20k than a very affluent one.
Is this true? Merit aid is determined strategically and not based on, um, merit.
Lots of people get merit without applying for aid though, so I'm not sure that's true.
Google it. It doesn’t always work like this but if often does. There are articles written about it and the algorithms. More money means higher chance of yield so college might also prefer giving 30k (or better yet 25k) to one kid and zero to other than 15k to each.
I get it. I wonder though if schools even consider merit as a variable rather than just taking the list of admitted students and asking the computer to predict which ones will be the best ones to target. So a marginal kid might get merit over an exceptional kid. But it does seem like exceptional kids tend to be the ones who get merit aid
I think it’s a mix. They may need or want some top test scores. They may need kids to fill their class or have more certainty on their yield numbers.. They may want more full pays but with a little merit. They may want kids from Nebraska. They optimize their wishes with their finances and enrollment numbers. May lead to seemingly inexplicable results.
I wish they would spend more time, effort and $ on kids from Nebraska. Would make the place more interesting. Kenyon has basically become a satellite campus for DMV graduates. Mind you my DD loves the place. But her closest friends are all from the NE. Feels exactly like her experience at her private school in this area, except much less economically and racially diverse.
Is that really a fair statement? I mean, look at the numbers. https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/kenyon-college/student-life/diversity/chart-geographic-diversity.html
VA is 5% and MD is 4%. Kenyon certainly has more midwestern students than east coast LACs and in general seems more geographically diverse. Over 10% from California. New England, NY and PA LACs skew so heavily towards Boston-DC corridor.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 15:36
Subject: Re:Tell us about Kenyon...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Will a 1450 Sat and HHI at 150 be enough to be considered for Kenyon granted scholarship/aid?
Yes.
I don’t think merit aid has anything to do with HHI but 1450 seems like it’s high enough for consideration if transcript is very strong
Sometimes income (whether actual or a proxy like zip code) is considered for merit aid due to yield management. A donut hole family may be more easily persuaded by $20k than a very affluent one.
Is this true? Merit aid is determined strategically and not based on, um, merit.
Lots of people get merit without applying for aid though, so I'm not sure that's true.
Google it. It doesn’t always work like this but if often does. There are articles written about it and the algorithms. More money means higher chance of yield so college might also prefer giving 30k (or better yet 25k) to one kid and zero to other than 15k to each.
I get it. I wonder though if schools even consider merit as a variable rather than just taking the list of admitted students and asking the computer to predict which ones will be the best ones to target. So a marginal kid might get merit over an exceptional kid. But it does seem like exceptional kids tend to be the ones who get merit aid
I think it’s a mix. They may need or want some top test scores. They may need kids to fill their class or have more certainty on their yield numbers.. They may want more full pays but with a little merit. They may want kids from Nebraska. They optimize their wishes with their finances and enrollment numbers. May lead to seemingly inexplicable results.
I wish they would spend more time, effort and $ on kids from Nebraska. Would make the place more interesting. Kenyon has basically become a satellite campus for DMV graduates. Mind you my DD loves the place. But her closest friends are all from the NE. Feels exactly like her experience at her private school in this area, except much less economically and racially diverse.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 12:43
Subject: Re:Tell us about Kenyon...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Will a 1450 Sat and HHI at 150 be enough to be considered for Kenyon granted scholarship/aid?
Yes.
I don’t think merit aid has anything to do with HHI but 1450 seems like it’s high enough for consideration if transcript is very strong
Sometimes income (whether actual or a proxy like zip code) is considered for merit aid due to yield management. A donut hole family may be more easily persuaded by $20k than a very affluent one.
Is this true? Merit aid is determined strategically and not based on, um, merit.
Lots of people get merit without applying for aid though, so I'm not sure that's true.
Google it. It doesn’t always work like this but if often does. There are articles written about it and the algorithms. More money means higher chance of yield so college might also prefer giving 30k (or better yet 25k) to one kid and zero to other than 15k to each.
I get it. I wonder though if schools even consider merit as a variable rather than just taking the list of admitted students and asking the computer to predict which ones will be the best ones to target. So a marginal kid might get merit over an exceptional kid. But it does seem like exceptional kids tend to be the ones who get merit aid
I think it’s a mix. They may need or want some top test scores. They may need kids to fill their class or have more certainty on their yield numbers.. They may want more full pays but with a little merit. They may want kids from Nebraska. They optimize their wishes with their finances and enrollment numbers. May lead to seemingly inexplicable results.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 12:39
Subject: Re:Tell us about Kenyon...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Will a 1450 Sat and HHI at 150 be enough to be considered for Kenyon granted scholarship/aid?
Yes.
I don’t think merit aid has anything to do with HHI but 1450 seems like it’s high enough for consideration if transcript is very strong
Sometimes income (whether actual or a proxy like zip code) is considered for merit aid due to yield management. A donut hole family may be more easily persuaded by $20k than a very affluent one.
Is this true? Merit aid is determined strategically and not based on, um, merit.
Lots of people get merit without applying for aid though, so I'm not sure that's true.
Google it. It doesn’t always work like this but if often does. There are articles written about it and the algorithms. More money means higher chance of yield so college might also prefer giving 30k (or better yet 25k) to one kid and zero to other than 15k to each.
I get it. I wonder though if schools even consider merit as a variable rather than just taking the list of admitted students and asking the computer to predict which ones will be the best ones to target. So a marginal kid might get merit over an exceptional kid. But it does seem like exceptional kids tend to be the ones who get merit aid
Anonymous
03/27/2023 12:31
Subject: Re:Tell us about Kenyon...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Will a 1450 Sat and HHI at 150 be enough to be considered for Kenyon granted scholarship/aid?
Yes.
I don’t think merit aid has anything to do with HHI but 1450 seems like it’s high enough for consideration if transcript is very strong
Sometimes income (whether actual or a proxy like zip code) is considered for merit aid due to yield management. A donut hole family may be more easily persuaded by $20k than a very affluent one.
Is this true? Merit aid is determined strategically and not based on, um, merit.
Lots of people get merit without applying for aid though, so I'm not sure that's true.
Google it. It doesn’t always work like this but if often does. There are articles written about it and the algorithms. More money means higher chance of yield so college might also prefer giving 30k (or better yet 25k) to one kid and zero to other than 15k to each.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 12:17
Subject: Re:Tell us about Kenyon...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Will a 1450 Sat and HHI at 150 be enough to be considered for Kenyon granted scholarship/aid?
Yes.
I don’t think merit aid has anything to do with HHI but 1450 seems like it’s high enough for consideration if transcript is very strong
Sometimes income (whether actual or a proxy like zip code) is considered for merit aid due to yield management. A donut hole family may be more easily persuaded by $20k than a very affluent one.
Is this true? Merit aid is determined strategically and not based on, um, merit.
Lots of people get merit without applying for aid though, so I'm not sure that's true.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 12:13
Subject: Re:Tell us about Kenyon...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Will a 1450 Sat and HHI at 150 be enough to be considered for Kenyon granted scholarship/aid?
Yes.
I don’t think merit aid has anything to do with HHI but 1450 seems like it’s high enough for consideration if transcript is very strong
Sometimes income (whether actual or a proxy like zip code) is considered for merit aid due to yield management. A donut hole family may be more easily persuaded by $20k than a very affluent one.
Is this true? Merit aid is determined strategically and not based on, um, merit.
Is this your first rodeo?
Anonymous
03/27/2023 12:12
Subject: Re:Tell us about Kenyon...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Will a 1450 Sat and HHI at 150 be enough to be considered for Kenyon granted scholarship/aid?
Yes.
I don’t think merit aid has anything to do with HHI but 1450 seems like it’s high enough for consideration if transcript is very strong
Sometimes income (whether actual or a proxy like zip code) is considered for merit aid due to yield management. A donut hole family may be more easily persuaded by $20k than a very affluent one.
Is this true? Merit aid is determined strategically and not based on, um, merit.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 10:46
Subject: Re:Tell us about Kenyon...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Will a 1450 Sat and HHI at 150 be enough to be considered for Kenyon granted scholarship/aid?
Yes.
I don’t think merit aid has anything to do with HHI but 1450 seems like it’s high enough for consideration if transcript is very strong
Sometimes income (whether actual or a proxy like zip code) is considered for merit aid due to yield management. A donut hole family may be more easily persuaded by $20k than a very affluent one.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 09:12
Subject: Re:Tell us about Kenyon...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Will a 1450 Sat and HHI at 150 be enough to be considered for Kenyon granted scholarship/aid?
Yes.
I don’t think merit aid has anything to do with HHI but 1450 seems like it’s high enough for consideration if transcript is very strong
Anonymous
03/27/2023 09:03
Subject: Re:Tell us about Kenyon...
Anonymous wrote:Will a 1450 Sat and HHI at 150 be enough to be considered for Kenyon granted scholarship/aid?
Yes.