Muslima
09/22/2015 10:28
Subject: 9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
They knew it wasn't a bomb. No evacuation, no bomb squad , they left the so-called bomb inside the school and took pictures of it . Yes, that's absolutely the appropriate protocol when administrators believe there's a bomb in a school. This is nothing less than the result of years of brainwashing, fear mongering and Islamophobia.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 10:25
Subject: Re:9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
^^ yep.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 10:21
Subject: 9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:It looks more like a bomb than a clock. I think with the atrocities that have happened at elementary, middle, and high schools in America, I believe the school officials were faring on the safer side. If you see something, say something. No pint in taking chances - Muslim or not.
Regardless of what you think it looks like, as we keep posting, nobody thought it was a bomb. Also, there is a big difference between saying something and taking the kid away in handcuffs.
You must have inside information the rest of us don't have. The reports said the English teacher thought it was a bomb. Even Ahmed said his teacher thought it was a bomb.
If teacher thought it was a bomb, and called the alarm, and the school was evacuated, that would be understandable to me. It doesn't look like a bomb, other than those in the Road Runner cartoon, but maybe she watches more cartoons than news and didn't know what actual bombs look like.
But the teacher didn't call the alarm, and she didn't call the police for hours. She put it aside, in the school building for hours.
So, either we have a teacher who is incredibly cavalier about student safety and deserves to be fired. Or we have a teacher who singled out a student of color for no decent reason.
The police also didn't think it was a bomb, because they didn't follow any of the procedures they'd have to follow if they did.
Hoax is also a crime
Anonymous
09/22/2015 10:13
Subject: 9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:It looks more like a bomb than a clock. I think with the atrocities that have happened at elementary, middle, and high schools in America, I believe the school officials were faring on the safer side. If you see something, say something. No pint in taking chances - Muslim or not.
Regardless of what you think it looks like, as we keep posting, nobody thought it was a bomb. Also, there is a big difference between saying something and taking the kid away in handcuffs.
You must have inside information the rest of us don't have. The reports said the English teacher thought it was a bomb. Even Ahmed said his teacher thought it was a bomb.
If teacher thought it was a bomb, and called the alarm, and the school was evacuated, that would be understandable to me. It doesn't look like a bomb, other than those in the Road Runner cartoon, but maybe she watches more cartoons than news and didn't know what actual bombs look like.
But the teacher didn't call the alarm, and she didn't call the police for hours. She put it aside, in the school building for hours.
So, either we have a teacher who is incredibly cavalier about student safety and deserves to be fired. Or we have a teacher who singled out a student of color for no decent reason.
The police also didn't think it was a bomb, because they didn't follow any of the procedures they'd have to follow if they did.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 10:10
Subject: 9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
Because the nonexistent security screening protocol at a Texas high school is comparable to those at the US Capitol and federal courthouses? Mmmmkay.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 10:00
Subject: 9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree that it would have made it through airport security. I have taken some suspicious looking electronics through and never been stopped. Probably the first person to see it would be the person viewing the x-ray images. I don't think he would see anything to alarm him.jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just have a question about this. Regarding aviation security, lots of people like to say better safe than sorry. Therefore, this clock would have never been allowed through a checkpoint, and frankly, it would be stupid of someone to try and be unaware of the consequences.
With school security a hot topic now, I'm having a hard time seeing the difference in the situations. Regardless of his race or religion, why would someone think it would be a good idea to bring this into a physical location where people are paranoid?
How do you know that the clock wouldn't be allowed through airport security? It very likely would have been subject to examination, but there is nothing dangerous about it so I don't know why it wouldn't be allowed through.
Regarding the school, I guess it can't be said enough. Nobody thought it was a bomb. Maybe you think it looks like a bomb, or maybe you think it looks like a ham sandwich. Either way, it doesn't matter because nobody at the school thought it was a bomb. For some reason, even though they knew it was not a bomb, they expected an explanation beyond "it is a clock". The police have been very explicit on that point. So, the question is, "why did they not accept the explanation that it was a clock and why were they so sure that there was a 'wider explanation'"? The most obvious answer is that he is Muslim.
You've taken a little suitcase with a clock face with wires hanging out of it? Who's willing to build something similar and try this? How about getting through security at a courtroom or the Capital? Let's test your confidence level.
The Capitol?
Anonymous
09/22/2015 09:59
Subject: Re:9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:My news feed says the white house shut down today over a coffee cup
Well, not so long ago the Secret Service let a gunman walk into the Obama's living room.
1. He had a knife, not a gun
2. He didn't just casually stroll into the President's living room, which is upstairs in the private living quarters. He overpowered a Secret Service agent inside the North Portico entrance and was quickly apprehended inside the adjacent East Room, which is on the first floor.
Facts do matter.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 07:16
Subject: 9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
Anonymous wrote:I agree that it would have made it through airport security. I have taken some suspicious looking electronics through and never been stopped. Probably the first person to see it would be the person viewing the x-ray images. I don't think he would see anything to alarm him.jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just have a question about this. Regarding aviation security, lots of people like to say better safe than sorry. Therefore, this clock would have never been allowed through a checkpoint, and frankly, it would be stupid of someone to try and be unaware of the consequences.
With school security a hot topic now, I'm having a hard time seeing the difference in the situations. Regardless of his race or religion, why would someone think it would be a good idea to bring this into a physical location where people are paranoid?
How do you know that the clock wouldn't be allowed through airport security? It very likely would have been subject to examination, but there is nothing dangerous about it so I don't know why it wouldn't be allowed through.
Regarding the school, I guess it can't be said enough. Nobody thought it was a bomb. Maybe you think it looks like a bomb, or maybe you think it looks like a ham sandwich. Either way, it doesn't matter because nobody at the school thought it was a bomb. For some reason, even though they knew it was not a bomb, they expected an explanation beyond "it is a clock". The police have been very explicit on that point. So, the question is, "why did they not accept the explanation that it was a clock and why were they so sure that there was a 'wider explanation'"? The most obvious answer is that he is Muslim.
You've taken a little suitcase with a clock face with wires hanging out of it? Who's willing to build something similar and try this? How about getting through security at a courtroom or the Capital? Let's test your confidence level.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 07:14
Subject: 9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pp here-the link above talks about the sister and her issues with the same school district.
Did she have troubles with the school system, or did the system have trouble with her?
Two sides to every story, but I guess the school won't be able to tell their version of events.
Sounds like a trouble maker family.
She got suspended because some other kid accused her of a bomb threat? I'd need to hear the other side of the story on this one. And the family won't give the school permission to speak.
Gee, I bet you haven't even heard her side of it.
Nope. Because she's not elaborating. And the other side is gagged.
No one can gag the accuser.
In cases involving children, sure they can. The administration surely can't speak as to what's happened due to the age of the accused and accuser. As for the accuser, there could be a number of reasons why she won't talk.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 04:46
Subject: 9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
I agree that it would have made it through airport security. I have taken some suspicious looking electronics through and never been stopped. Probably the first person to see it would be the person viewing the x-ray images. I don't think he would see anything to alarm him.jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just have a question about this. Regarding aviation security, lots of people like to say better safe than sorry. Therefore, this clock would have never been allowed through a checkpoint, and frankly, it would be stupid of someone to try and be unaware of the consequences.
With school security a hot topic now, I'm having a hard time seeing the difference in the situations. Regardless of his race or religion, why would someone think it would be a good idea to bring this into a physical location where people are paranoid?
How do you know that the clock wouldn't be allowed through airport security? It very likely would have been subject to examination, but there is nothing dangerous about it so I don't know why it wouldn't be allowed through.
Regarding the school, I guess it can't be said enough. Nobody thought it was a bomb. Maybe you think it looks like a bomb, or maybe you think it looks like a ham sandwich. Either way, it doesn't matter because nobody at the school thought it was a bomb. For some reason, even though they knew it was not a bomb, they expected an explanation beyond "it is a clock". The police have been very explicit on that point. So, the question is, "why did they not accept the explanation that it was a clock and why were they so sure that there was a 'wider explanation'"? The most obvious answer is that he is Muslim.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 04:24
Subject: 9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:It looks more like a bomb than a clock. I think with the atrocities that have happened at elementary, middle, and high schools in America, I believe the school officials were faring on the safer side. If you see something, say something. No pint in taking chances - Muslim or not.
Regardless of what you think it looks like, as we keep posting, nobody thought it was a bomb. Also, there is a big difference between saying something and taking the kid away in handcuffs.
You must have inside information the rest of us don't have. The reports said the English teacher thought it was a bomb. Even Ahmed said his teacher thought it was a bomb.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 04:07
Subject: 9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
Anonymous wrote:Doesn't it strike anyone strange that they thought this thing was a bomb, even though the picture clearly shows there is nothing explosive inside of it?
No, I doubt seriously that they looked in side. If someone from the school did, they are as stupid as many of you think they are.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 03:49
Subject: Re:9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:My news feed says the white house shut down today over a coffee cup
Well, not so long ago the Secret Service let a gunman walk into the Obama's living room. So, I guess it's one extreme to the other.
Sadly, gunmen walk into schools. Maybe the choice is you overeact or underreact - as someone with a school age child who works in a school I sure know which I would prefer.
I think 'gunman' was hyperbole. gunman: a man who uses a gun to commit a crime or terrorist act.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 03:39
Subject: Re:9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Guess what, a Texas middle school seems a pretty unlikely target in comparison to the "President's Park." Once a goober always a goober.
And how about a high school in say, Columbine, Colorado? Is that an unlikely target? If a student walks in with what looks like a gun or a bomb, should we not say anything, because it is most likely harmless?
A bomb is neither a joking matter or an opportunity to score political points.
At what point after you have determined that it is not a bomb, do you quit persecuting the poor kid? I don't think anyone is bothered that someone thought the clock looked threatening. The issue is that that in reaction to their fear, the school officials called the police, the police cuffed him and subjected him to interrogation. That was an extreme over-reaction. By their own admission, the police were not willing to accept that the clock was a clock. They had predetermined that there was a "wider explanation".
and Tsarnev's Djokar simply had a pressure cooker-sadly these days we need to take all kinds of precautions.
They had a bomb. Ahmed had a clock. If you are not capable of distinguishing one from the other, you have no business being in either a school or a police department.
I think that comment is beneath you. It is a clock that was disassembled and reassembled in a pencil case. Without close inspection ( opening it up) a teacher couldn't tell it was only a clock. His science teacher told him not to show it to anyone, so he obviously new that it looked suspicious. The English teacher got alarmed when she heart it beeping. Would you really want her not to err on the side of safety?
Anonymous
09/22/2015 01:25
Subject: 9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pp here-the link above talks about the sister and her issues with the same school district.
Did she have troubles with the school system, or did the system have trouble with her?
Two sides to every story, but I guess the school won't be able to tell their version of events.
Sounds like a trouble maker family.
She got suspended because some other kid accused her of a bomb threat? I'd need to hear the other side of the story on this one. And the family won't give the school permission to speak.
Gee, I bet you haven't even heard her side of it.
Nope. Because she's not elaborating. And the other side is gagged.
Since they arrest people who make bomb threats, it is reasonable to assume the accusation is false.
She was just beginning middles school so maybe age 10-12.