Anonymous wrote:

He has a Peruvian nose for one. No way does he look white. No way does he look European. Look at the flatness and shape of his face. He is trying very hard to be white when it is convenient for him.

All that aside, he is hiding for a reason. His attorney is trying to cull all of the public sentiment as preparation for the trial. Lets hope he is not a very good attorney, as I suspect. But also, even with the best attorney, Zimmerman does not stand a chance. Someone will get him.

He is hiding his control issues and frustration with life under the guise of neighborhood watch captain? You're kidding right?

I don't understand why there is all this discussion about race/color/whatever to veer away from the cold hard facts: what Zimmerman did was wrong. It was not self defense on his part. On we going to go on about race/color/whatever or are we going to discuss the facts?

I thought people here were supposed to be smart.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well, unfortunately, I'm guessing 90% of the robberies in that neighborhood were committed by black teens wearing hoodies. that is the unfortunate reality. so while it means nothing with respect to guilt or innocence, it was not totally unreasonable for Z to think the victim was up to no good. Right?

Maybe. but when Z starts calling 911 30+ times about "suspicious black males," (one of whom was 10!) it sort of makes Z an unreliable narrator when it comes to assessing the danger posed by a random young black male.

I know many folks here don't really like black people, or maybe African-American culture, or more accurately what they perceive as the tolerance for an anti-social element within the African-American community.

But in this case, it really seems Trayvon Martin is on the side of the angels here and Z was at best a poor assessor of the danger posed by African-American males, if not an outright racist, and was, most likely, the escalator of a situation that ended in the death of another human being. I mean, why would Z want to provoke the animal-like nature that racists tell me is present in each and every Black person? Why not let the police do it, and then protest when Trayvon gets off under affirmative action or the such?

There's enough honest-to-God black criminals for you to tell scary Black Male stories about. Trayvon wasn't one of them.

Anonymous wrote:

It seems so absurd to me that Zimmerman apologists are making the argument it's him. Why would the person with THE GUN need to be yelling "no" and "help"? Why would Zimmerman, who is alive, be the one that stopped yelling no and help immediately following the gunshot and not Trayvon, the one who is actually dead? That entire argument makes no sense. The person yelling no and help sounds terrified and desperate, not somebody wielding a gun and thus, the upper hand and control of the situation. Total bullshit.

For starters, your characterization of anyone who doesn't agree with you as a Zimmerman apologist is pretty offensive, and just wrong.

Second, I believe there's an eyewitness who gave a statement to the police that Zimmerman was the one yelling.

Finally, with respect to the bolded section above, Z's weapon was holstered, an altercation starts, T starts kicking the crap out of Z (which is supported by the eyewitness's testimony), Z, getting his ass kicked, yells for help, draws his weapon, shoots, and then stops yelling because he's no longer getting his ass kicked.
Now, I have no idea whether that happened (although it does comport with the only eyewitness testimony that is out there, to my knowledge). But more importantly, neither do you. Which is why your statement that it's "total bullshit" and your attempt to cast everyone who isn't ready to convict Z without learnign more facts as a Zimmerman apologist is so misplaced, and so detrimental to having a dispassionate discussion about this case. Use your head for something other than holding up your hat, and you'll come to the unfortunate conclusion that, based on the evidence reported thus far, this is far from a clear-cut case.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and to the same people posting these pics, i ask you that unless you wore button up shirts and khakis throughout your entire childhood and intend on dressing your children the same, i say you barely have a case.

i also invite you to go to any mall USA and lets play a game where we try to find teenagers (black, white, indifferent) roaming the mall in suits and ties and see how much they out number the same kids in baggy jeans, hats, and headphones. im certain you will win the day no?

While I agree with you, the pictures posted on this thread in the last few pages are NOT of the Trayvon Martin who was killed. They are of another kid with the same name. Trayvon doesn't have a mouthful of gold teeth. He doesn't even look the same. To whoever went on Facebook and searched the name then assumed if two boys were black and had the same name that they must be the same person...you've got problems.

I have no idea what Trayvon was like as a teen but trying to point out his 'bad' character with fake pics seems pathetic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure if anyone's mentioned it but the killer looks Hispanic.

This is another pic of Zimmerman. Looks white to me.

It seems so absurd to me that Zimmerman apologists are making the argument it's him. Why would the person with THE GUN need to be yelling "no" and "help"? Why would Zimmerman, who is alive, be the one that stopped yelling no and help immediately following the gunshot and not Trayvon, the one who is actually dead? That entire argument makes no sense. The person yelling no and help sounds terrified and desperate, not somebody wielding a gun and thus, the upper hand and control of the situation. Total bullshit.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted a few pages ago that this all comes down to whose voice is heard crying "no" and "help" in the background on the 911 call. It seems like that is becoming a more and more central issue in trying to figure out exactly what happened.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-25/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-friend-20120325_1_abc-news-arizona-iced-tea-joe-oliver

It seems so absurd to me that Zimmerman apologists are making the argument it's him. Why would the person with THE GUN need to be yelling "no" and "help"? Why would Zimmerman, who is alive, be the one that stopped yelling no and help immediately following the gunshot and not Trayvon, the one who is actually dead? That entire argument makes no sense. The person yelling no and help sounds terrified and desperate, not somebody wielding a gun and thus, the upper hand and control of the situation. Total bullshit.

Anonymous wrote:and to the same people posting these pics, i ask you that unless you wore button up shirts and khakis throughout your entire childhood and intend on dressing your children the same, i say you barely have a case.

i also invite you to go to any mall USA and lets play a game where we try to find teenagers (black, white, indifferent) roaming the mall in suits and ties and see how much they out number the same kids in baggy jeans, hats, and headphones. im certain you will win the day no?

Anonymous wrote:I posted a few pages ago that this all comes down to whose voice is heard crying "no" and "help" in the background on the 911 call. It seems like that is becoming a more and more central issue in trying to figure out exactly what happened.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-25/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-friend-20120325_1_abc-news-arizona-iced-tea-joe-oliver

Anonymous wrote:

That's right folks you can't chase somebody down and then claim self defense when they whoop your ass... Well you can claim it - but it probably will not fly.