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Anonymous wrote:For February admits at Midd, you're only talking about 100 students total. And at the end of 4 years, their diploma is from Middlebury, so who cares if their SAT scores are a bit lower?

This is 15-20% of students overall. I don’t care, really. But I am not the one using Midd Sept-only SAT scores to prove (false) equivalence to other schools. Just a data integrity issue, is all.

Anonymous wrote:For February admits at Midd, you're only talking about 100 students total. And at the end of 4 years, their diploma is from Middlebury, so who cares if their SAT scores are a bit lower?

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious as I have a kid looking at Swarthmore. Is it not considered similar to Williams/Amherst in these conversations (most of which center on WAP and Bowdoin) bc of perceived intensity or something else?

yes, I think WASP is alive and well as top 4. I also think Midd and Bowdoin are really just a half a step behind. Very tough admits, really nice environments, great career outcomes. I personally would pick Bowdoin and Midd over Amherst. If a kid liked the vibe of one over the others, that's the way to go. They're that close in prestige etc

Midd is nowhere close — and declining. The only schools a 1/2 step behind WASPB are Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna, and Wellesley. Harvey Mudd and Claremont McKenna, though, are on the upswing, while Wellesley is on the downswing.

If Midd continues its decline it will be on the Colgate, Hamilton, Bates, Holy Cross, Reed tier. The focus should be on avoiding that, not pretending it is something it isn’t.

Even 10 years ago, Middlebury placed below schools such as Hamilton, Colgate and Reed by standardized scoring profiles:

The 610 Smartest Colleges in America - Business Insider https://share.google/d14fkeKxLYrazPQ8m

They're all pretty similar now:
Reed: 1310-1410-1490 (52% submitting)
Hamilton: 1460-1500-1530 (34% submitting)
Colgate: 1450-1490-1530 (23% submitting)
Middlebury: 1450-1500-1530 (28% submitting)
Bowdoin: 1470-1510-1540 (31% submitting)

In fairness to Reed, it is test blind: scores are not even looked at. So there is no incentive to study for them/take multiple times if that’s your first choice.

To add, Midd includes Sept. admits only; Feb admits will be lower. Taking that into account - and excepting Reed - Midd is the lowest of these schools.

How do you know Feb admits are lower? Where’s your data? Oh, that’s right, you’re just pulling stuff out of your a$$.

Gosh, you are right. They must be higher! In fact, checking off the “open to Feb admission” box on the application (you can even do this ED) must reduce your chance of admission; that’s how competitive February is — highe4 stats all around. The top applicants all want to start in Feb.

So the PP is correct; you have zero idea what the stats of a spring admit (or Feb or whatever you called them) really are.

If only some of you posters were made to put your money where your metaphorical mouth is…

Do you have the stats? I’ve never seen them and would love to be enlightened. The only Spring admits from our school that I know happened during Covid and their stats were the same as everyone else (based on Navience).

Perhaps Midd should share them rather than saying this, in their CDS, line after line: (September Only). But if you want to believe they are the same, in the aggregate, I have a bridge to sell you.

It is in the CDS that way because that is how they are supposed to report things. All schools with Spring admissions report in the samer manner. But, you be you.

Midd does not make this data available because it looks bad for them.
Why? Because there are always some suckers, like you, who believe there is no difference between mid-year admits and fall admits — at any school.

An admissions rep told us there’s no statistically significant difference in stats of September and February matriculants, and that in recent years, more and more applicants are checking the box that they’d prefer February enrollment. Of course they could be pulling our chain.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious as I have a kid looking at Swarthmore. Is it not considered similar to Williams/Amherst in these conversations (most of which center on WAP and Bowdoin) bc of perceived intensity or something else?

yes, I think WASP is alive and well as top 4. I also think Midd and Bowdoin are really just a half a step behind. Very tough admits, really nice environments, great career outcomes. I personally would pick Bowdoin and Midd over Amherst. If a kid liked the vibe of one over the others, that's the way to go. They're that close in prestige etc

Midd is nowhere close — and declining. The only schools a 1/2 step behind WASPB are Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna, and Wellesley. Harvey Mudd and Claremont McKenna, though, are on the upswing, while Wellesley is on the downswing.

If Midd continues its decline it will be on the Colgate, Hamilton, Bates, Holy Cross, Reed tier. The focus should be on avoiding that, not pretending it is something it isn’t.

Even 10 years ago, Middlebury placed below schools such as Hamilton, Colgate and Reed by standardized scoring profiles:

The 610 Smartest Colleges in America - Business Insider https://share.google/d14fkeKxLYrazPQ8m

They're all pretty similar now:
Reed: 1310-1410-1490 (52% submitting)
Hamilton: 1460-1500-1530 (34% submitting)
Colgate: 1450-1490-1530 (23% submitting)
Middlebury: 1450-1500-1530 (28% submitting)
Bowdoin: 1470-1510-1540 (31% submitting)

In fairness to Reed, it is test blind: scores are not even looked at. So there is no incentive to study for them/take multiple times if that’s your first choice.

To add, Midd includes Sept. admits only; Feb admits will be lower. Taking that into account - and excepting Reed - Midd is the lowest of these schools.

How do you know Feb admits are lower? Where’s your data? Oh, that’s right, you’re just pulling stuff out of your a$$.

Gosh, you are right. They must be higher! In fact, checking off the “open to Feb admission” box on the application (you can even do this ED) must reduce your chance of admission; that’s how competitive February is — highe4 stats all around. The top applicants all want to start in Feb.

So the PP is correct; you have zero idea what the stats of a spring admit (or Feb or whatever you called them) really are.

If only some of you posters were made to put your money where your metaphorical mouth is…

Do you have the stats? I’ve never seen them and would love to be enlightened. The only Spring admits from our school that I know happened during Covid and their stats were the same as everyone else (based on Navience).

Perhaps Midd should share them rather than saying this, in their CDS, line after line: (September Only). But if you want to believe they are the same, in the aggregate, I have a bridge to sell you.

It is in the CDS that way because that is how they are supposed to report things. All schools with Spring admissions report in the samer manner. But, you be you.

Midd does not make this data available because it looks bad for them.
Why? Because there are always some suckers, like you, who believe there is no difference between mid-year admits and fall admits — at any school.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious as I have a kid looking at Swarthmore. Is it not considered similar to Williams/Amherst in these conversations (most of which center on WAP and Bowdoin) bc of perceived intensity or something else?

yes, I think WASP is alive and well as top 4. I also think Midd and Bowdoin are really just a half a step behind. Very tough admits, really nice environments, great career outcomes. I personally would pick Bowdoin and Midd over Amherst. If a kid liked the vibe of one over the others, that's the way to go. They're that close in prestige etc

Midd is nowhere close — and declining. The only schools a 1/2 step behind WASPB are Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna, and Wellesley. Harvey Mudd and Claremont McKenna, though, are on the upswing, while Wellesley is on the downswing.

If Midd continues its decline it will be on the Colgate, Hamilton, Bates, Holy Cross, Reed tier. The focus should be on avoiding that, not pretending it is something it isn’t.

Even 10 years ago, Middlebury placed below schools such as Hamilton, Colgate and Reed by standardized scoring profiles:

The 610 Smartest Colleges in America - Business Insider https://share.google/d14fkeKxLYrazPQ8m

They're all pretty similar now:
Reed: 1310-1410-1490 (52% submitting)
Hamilton: 1460-1500-1530 (34% submitting)
Colgate: 1450-1490-1530 (23% submitting)
Middlebury: 1450-1500-1530 (28% submitting)
Bowdoin: 1470-1510-1540 (31% submitting)

In fairness to Reed, it is test blind: scores are not even looked at. So there is no incentive to study for them/take multiple times if that’s your first choice.

To add, Midd includes Sept. admits only; Feb admits will be lower. Taking that into account - and excepting Reed - Midd is the lowest of these schools.

How do you know Feb admits are lower? Where’s your data? Oh, that’s right, you’re just pulling stuff out of your a$$.

Gosh, you are right. They must be higher! In fact, checking off the “open to Feb admission” box on the application (you can even do this ED) must reduce your chance of admission; that’s how competitive February is — highe4 stats all around. The top applicants all want to start in Feb.

So the PP is correct; you have zero idea what the stats of a spring admit (or Feb or whatever you called them) really are.

If only some of you posters were made to put your money where your metaphorical mouth is…

Do you have the stats? I’ve never seen them and would love to be enlightened. The only Spring admits from our school that I know happened during Covid and their stats were the same as everyone else (based on Navience).

Perhaps Midd should share them rather than saying this, in their CDS, line after line: (September Only). But if you want to believe they are the same, in the aggregate, I have a bridge to sell you.

It is in the CDS that way because that is how they are supposed to report things. All schools with Spring admissions report in the samer manner. But, you be you.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious as I have a kid looking at Swarthmore. Is it not considered similar to Williams/Amherst in these conversations (most of which center on WAP and Bowdoin) bc of perceived intensity or something else?

yes, I think WASP is alive and well as top 4. I also think Midd and Bowdoin are really just a half a step behind. Very tough admits, really nice environments, great career outcomes. I personally would pick Bowdoin and Midd over Amherst. If a kid liked the vibe of one over the others, that's the way to go. They're that close in prestige etc

Midd is nowhere close — and declining. The only schools a 1/2 step behind WASPB are Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna, and Wellesley. Harvey Mudd and Claremont McKenna, though, are on the upswing, while Wellesley is on the downswing.

If Midd continues its decline it will be on the Colgate, Hamilton, Bates, Holy Cross, Reed tier. The focus should be on avoiding that, not pretending it is something it isn’t.

Even 10 years ago, Middlebury placed below schools such as Hamilton, Colgate and Reed by standardized scoring profiles:

The 610 Smartest Colleges in America - Business Insider https://share.google/d14fkeKxLYrazPQ8m

They're all pretty similar now:
Reed: 1310-1410-1490 (52% submitting)
Hamilton: 1460-1500-1530 (34% submitting)
Colgate: 1450-1490-1530 (23% submitting)
Middlebury: 1450-1500-1530 (28% submitting)
Bowdoin: 1470-1510-1540 (31% submitting)

In fairness to Reed, it is test blind: scores are not even looked at. So there is no incentive to study for them/take multiple times if that’s your first choice.

To add, Midd includes Sept. admits only; Feb admits will be lower. Taking that into account - and excepting Reed - Midd is the lowest of these schools.

How do you know Feb admits are lower? Where’s your data? Oh, that’s right, you’re just pulling stuff out of your a$$.

Gosh, you are right. They must be higher! In fact, checking off the “open to Feb admission” box on the application (you can even do this ED) must reduce your chance of admission; that’s how competitive February is — highe4 stats all around. The top applicants all want to start in Feb.

So the PP is correct; you have zero idea what the stats of a spring admit (or Feb or whatever you called them) really are.

If only some of you posters were made to put your money where your metaphorical mouth is…

Do you have the stats? I’ve never seen them and would love to be enlightened. The only Spring admits from our school that I know happened during Covid and their stats were the same as everyone else (based on Navience).

Perhaps Midd should share them rather than saying this, in their CDS, line after line: (September Only). But if you want to believe they are the same, in the aggregate, I have a bridge to sell you.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious as I have a kid looking at Swarthmore. Is it not considered similar to Williams/Amherst in these conversations (most of which center on WAP and Bowdoin) bc of perceived intensity or something else?

yes, I think WASP is alive and well as top 4. I also think Midd and Bowdoin are really just a half a step behind. Very tough admits, really nice environments, great career outcomes. I personally would pick Bowdoin and Midd over Amherst. If a kid liked the vibe of one over the others, that's the way to go. They're that close in prestige etc

Midd is nowhere close — and declining. The only schools a 1/2 step behind WASPB are Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna, and Wellesley. Harvey Mudd and Claremont McKenna, though, are on the upswing, while Wellesley is on the downswing.

If Midd continues its decline it will be on the Colgate, Hamilton, Bates, Holy Cross, Reed tier. The focus should be on avoiding that, not pretending it is something it isn’t.

Even 10 years ago, Middlebury placed below schools such as Hamilton, Colgate and Reed by standardized scoring profiles:

The 610 Smartest Colleges in America - Business Insider https://share.google/d14fkeKxLYrazPQ8m

They're all pretty similar now:
Reed: 1310-1410-1490 (52% submitting)
Hamilton: 1460-1500-1530 (34% submitting)
Colgate: 1450-1490-1530 (23% submitting)
Middlebury: 1450-1500-1530 (28% submitting)
Bowdoin: 1470-1510-1540 (31% submitting)

In fairness to Reed, it is test blind: scores are not even looked at. So there is no incentive to study for them/take multiple times if that’s your first choice.

To add, Midd includes Sept. admits only; Feb admits will be lower. Taking that into account - and excepting Reed - Midd is the lowest of these schools.

How do you know Feb admits are lower? Where’s your data? Oh, that’s right, you’re just pulling stuff out of your a$$.

Gosh, you are right. They must be higher! In fact, checking off the “open to Feb admission” box on the application (you can even do this ED) must reduce your chance of admission; that’s how competitive February is — highe4 stats all around. The top applicants all want to start in Feb.

So the PP is correct; you have zero idea what the stats of a spring admit (or Feb or whatever you called them) really are.

If only some of you posters were made to put your money where your metaphorical mouth is…

Do you have the stats? I’ve never seen them and would love to be enlightened. The only Spring admits from our school that I know happened during Covid and their stats were the same as everyone else (based on Navience).