Anonymous
03/08/2025 12:45
Subject: Re:Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This study will be a real example of fraud waste and abuse since there are already dozens of studies showing there is no link between vaccines and autism.
The validity of these studies are in question. You cannot trust the manufacturers or those who directly financially benefit from the products to be able to do an unbiased study.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1124634/
No one serious is questioning the validity of those studies. At this point the only thing that we are sure doesn’t cause autism is the MMR vaccine.
- mother of a kid with autism
Anonymous
03/08/2025 12:43
Subject: Re:Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This study will be a real example of fraud waste and abuse since there are already dozens of studies showing there is no link between vaccines and autism.
Well, that depends I guess on whether this study can persuaded anyone in a way the prior studies can't. I guess that, in turn, depends in part on how robust the prior studies were and how robust this one will be. If the prior ones were super robust and this one isn't, then yeah, super wasteful. If the prior ones were a lil bit loose and this one is rigorous, then this could contribute meaningfully to the discourse. Without these details, everyone is just clucking.
We are talking about the MMR vaccine. Plenty of robust data.
And we are also talking about conspiracy theorists who notoriously move the goalposts each time evidence is provided contrary to their beliefs.
Anonymous
03/08/2025 12:43
Subject: Re:Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This study will be a real example of fraud waste and abuse since there are already dozens of studies showing there is no link between vaccines and autism.
The validity of these studies are in question. You cannot trust the manufacturers or those who directly financially benefit from the products to be able to do an unbiased study.
So then to study this we will need government oversight? But I thought MAGA was applauding the cuts to medical research and wanted to privatize it?
Anonymous
03/08/2025 12:37
Subject: Re:Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:This study will be a real example of fraud waste and abuse since there are already dozens of studies showing there is no link between vaccines and autism.
Well, that depends I guess on whether this study can persuaded anyone in a way the prior studies can't. I guess that, in turn, depends in part on how robust the prior studies were and how robust this one will be. If the prior ones were super robust and this one isn't, then yeah, super wasteful. If the prior ones were a lil bit loose and this one is rigorous, then this could contribute meaningfully to the discourse. Without these details, everyone is just clucking.
Anonymous
03/08/2025 12:17
Subject: Re:Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:This study will be a real example of fraud waste and abuse since there are already dozens of studies showing there is no link between vaccines and autism.
The validity of these studies are in question. You cannot trust the manufacturers or those who directly financially benefit from the products to be able to do an unbiased study.
Anonymous
03/08/2025 12:12
Subject: Re:Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
This study will be a real example of fraud waste and abuse since there are already dozens of studies showing there is no link between vaccines and autism.
Anonymous
03/08/2025 11:03
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Most of the arguments here focus on whether or not the MMR vaccine is important for protecting against measles-- that is, the "efficacy" branch of the now famous "safe and effective" phrase. For the most part, vaccine skeptics are not vaccine skeptics because they have doubts about the efficacy (though I recognize some do); it is about the safety piece of the puzzle. While no doubt many will cringe at this idea, there could ironically be some benefit when it comes to allaying those concerns if RFK does his big study of the safety of vaccines and autism.
Anonymous
03/08/2025 11:03
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?
Do you have a doctor you trust?
You really should go talk to them about this.
Why? I have lifetime immunity and my children were vaccinated.
Lifetime immunity from a the measles virus wanes over time making up to 6% of that population vulnerable. Among vaccinated individuals, about 20% do not retain immunity. It appears that due to vaccine overuse, the measles may have mutated to a different virus and more of us vaccinated will be vulnerable.
That along with our toxic food, water and air will lead to more epidemics.
This part is conspiracy. The thinking is it is more prevalent than is known of - there are always more cases than identified with a test in a clinic or hospital. Not that measles is suddenly more severe or mutated.
We need a moratorium on the word "conspiracy" in this context. A scientific hypothesis-- even a wrong one-- is not a conspiracy.
Don't think that will be successful with the current administration
Anonymous
03/08/2025 11:02
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?
Do you have a doctor you trust?
You really should go talk to them about this.
Why? I have lifetime immunity and my children were vaccinated.
Lifetime immunity from a the measles virus wanes over time making up to 6% of that population vulnerable. Among vaccinated individuals, about 20% do not retain immunity. It appears that due to vaccine overuse, the measles may have mutated to a different virus and more of us vaccinated will be vulnerable.
That along with our toxic food, water and air will lead to more epidemics.
Also where are you getting this from? There is debate as to whether negative serology tests actually mean lack of immunity in folks who received two vaccines.
NP. I got measles as a young adult, even though I had all my vaccines. At the time they didn’t think measles but now much later we see my blood level is higher for measles so we know it was that.
Yes, even after two MMR vaccines 1-3% of the population can still get measles, since the vaccine is between 97 and 99% effective. That’s why herd immunity is so important.
Yes the PP said 20 percent though without any citation
Anonymous
03/08/2025 10:48
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?
Do you have a doctor you trust?
You really should go talk to them about this.
Why? I have lifetime immunity and my children were vaccinated.
Lifetime immunity from a the measles virus wanes over time making up to 6% of that population vulnerable. Among vaccinated individuals, about 20% do not retain immunity. It appears that due to vaccine overuse, the measles may have mutated to a different virus and more of us vaccinated will be vulnerable.
That along with our toxic food, water and air will lead to more epidemics.
Also where are you getting this from? There is debate as to whether negative serology tests actually mean lack of immunity in folks who received two vaccines.
NP. I got measles as a young adult, even though I had all my vaccines. At the time they didn’t think measles but now much later we see my blood level is higher for measles so we know it was that.
Yes, even after two MMR vaccines 1-3% of the population can still get measles, since the vaccine is between 97 and 99% effective. That’s why herd immunity is so important.
Anonymous
03/08/2025 10:43
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?
Do you have a doctor you trust?
You really should go talk to them about this.
Why? I have lifetime immunity and my children were vaccinated.
Lifetime immunity from a the measles virus wanes over time making up to 6% of that population vulnerable. Among vaccinated individuals, about 20% do not retain immunity. It appears that due to vaccine overuse, the measles may have mutated to a different virus and more of us vaccinated will be vulnerable.
That along with our toxic food, water and air will lead to more epidemics.
Also where are you getting this from? There is debate as to whether negative serology tests actually mean lack of immunity in folks who received two vaccines.
NP. I got measles as a young adult, even though I had all my vaccines. At the time they didn’t think measles but now much later we see my blood level is higher for measles so we know it was that.
Anonymous
03/08/2025 10:17
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is huge concern with the measles, especially for infants. Before 1964, infants and babies were protected from infants through mother’s milk. This immunity ONLY can be transferred from mother to baby if the mother had the illness. Vaccinated mothers do not confer immunity to babies so they are all vulnerable. This makes getting the MMR essential to protect babies and infants in our communities.
This current mess has been caused by the measles vaccine, which never actually extinguished the measles. Our public health experts will have to figure out a way to back out of the current vaccine while improving therapies for the disease so we can actually attain real herd immunity from this disease for future generations.
So the answer is for everyone to get measles? Are you serious?
Possibly, but we must be careful to reverse the damage done by the vaccine. This will likely take multiple generations to reverse and recover from. We were foolish to think that “science”could eliminate a disease that has been a part of humanity for thousands of years. We need to focus on improving health and nutrition (most victims of measles are malnourished) and therapies.
Where did you learn this information? Is this the guidance from the Mayo Clinic, Harvard medical school and other credible sources?
Anonymous
03/08/2025 10:02
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?
Do you have a doctor you trust?
You really should go talk to them about this.
Why? I have lifetime immunity and my children were vaccinated.
Lifetime immunity from a the measles virus wanes over time making up to 6% of that population vulnerable. Among vaccinated individuals, about 20% do not retain immunity. It appears that due to vaccine overuse, the measles may have mutated to a different virus and more of us vaccinated will be vulnerable.
That along with our toxic food, water and air will lead to more epidemics.
This part is conspiracy. The thinking is it is more prevalent than is known of - there are always more cases than identified with a test in a clinic or hospital. Not that measles is suddenly more severe or mutated.
We need a moratorium on the word "conspiracy" in this context. A scientific hypothesis-- even a wrong one-- is not a conspiracy.
Anonymous
03/08/2025 09:06
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?
Do you have a doctor you trust?
You really should go talk to them about this.
Why? I have lifetime immunity and my children were vaccinated.
Lifetime immunity from a the measles virus wanes over time making up to 6% of that population vulnerable. Among vaccinated individuals, about 20% do not retain immunity. It appears that due to vaccine overuse, the measles may have mutated to a different virus and more of us vaccinated will be vulnerable.
That along with our toxic food, water and air will lead to more epidemics.
Also where are you getting this from? There is debate as to whether negative serology tests actually mean lack of immunity in folks who received two vaccines.
Anonymous
03/08/2025 09:05
Subject: Re:Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“Modern medicine” can’t cure everything. Even today, kids die of RSV, flu, strep, sepsis, and other causes. Once the cascade starts it’s hard to stop. We can cut your head open when measles swells your brain and flood you with steroids and antivirals, but I think we’d all agree it’s better to avoid brain swelling in the first place.
And the people talking about Whole Foods curing measles - what exactly do you think people were eating prior to the 1960s when they were dying and being blinded and maimed by measles? From scratch home cooking, that’s what. Meat, potato, veg, almost all what we would call organic and non GMO today.
It’s hard to believe it’s only been 6 weeks. Easy to destroy.
There were 285 measles cases in 2024 in 33 states. Do you recall how the mainstream media reported on this?
sure do: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2024/04/29/1247822819/the-jump-in-measles-cases-in-2023-is-very-concerning-says-who-official
There has been lots of reporting on measles over the past several years, as well as reporting on falling vaccination rates. Obviously the appointment of a vaccine skeptic to the head of the American public health system who personally intervened to convince parents not to vaccinate against measles has increased media interest.