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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t see Nick’s journal entry as a problem. He was stupid to have kept it or brought to set. That’s some thing that you don’t leave lying out. Pretty confident Hannah was going through his things the entire time. Also she was trashing his appearance from the beginning as well. But she just couldn’t handle that he might feel similarly. I didn’t like either one of them, but I thought that she was given way too much airtime.

Agree. Didn't Hannah do the same? She quit her job to go on the show. She wants to be famous too but just didn't write it down.

DP, but agree. Also, when you listen to any of the cast who says "I never expected to fall in love" it reads to me like they went on the show for clout, and coincidentally found someone. Not that they went on the show to find someone and coincidentally got famous.

I don’t understand the desire for social media followers. Fame (for no accomplishments)?

It is probably generational…but the value of being followed by strangers, who think they get to judge every aspect of your actions and appearance? No thank you.

It’s money. Once they have a lot of followers then they can start shilling products. Ramses already has been hawking some tooth whitening thing.

I recently got an ad from a previous one - Jess? The one with the 9 year old daughter or something. Idk what it was, I scrolled past it quickly, but that is definitely what they want to do. Enough followers = sponsorships

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t see Nick’s journal entry as a problem. He was stupid to have kept it or brought to set. That’s some thing that you don’t leave lying out. Pretty confident Hannah was going through his things the entire time. Also she was trashing his appearance from the beginning as well. But she just couldn’t handle that he might feel similarly. I didn’t like either one of them, but I thought that she was given way too much airtime.

Agree. Didn't Hannah do the same? She quit her job to go on the show. She wants to be famous too but just didn't write it down.

DP, but agree. Also, when you listen to any of the cast who says "I never expected to fall in love" it reads to me like they went on the show for clout, and coincidentally found someone. Not that they went on the show to find someone and coincidentally got famous.

I don’t understand the desire for social media followers. Fame (for no accomplishments)?

It is probably generational…but the value of being followed by strangers, who think they get to judge every aspect of your actions and appearance? No thank you.

It’s money. Once they have a lot of followers then they can start shilling products. Ramses already has been hawking some tooth whitening thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone up-thread said they thought Garrett wasn’t into Taylor anymore. Why?
I thought his body language was still good on reunion show.
Is it just bc they no longer have plans to move to San Diego??

That was me.

It’s a very slight change in his voice and also in his eyes; the sparkle is gone. My guess is that his family (mom in particular) made things very stressful for him, and he fell into a mild depressive state over the potential move to San Diego. That and/or he was on mood-stabilizing meds.

From the beginning, Garret’s mom gave off a vibe that is very familiar to me but hard to put into words. I’m mixed race, half-white like Taylor and often get the same type of closed-off reaction from certain people. It’s not necessarily racism, just other-ism, perhaps. Par for the course in life-long F’burg families.

The fact that Fong and husband flew cross country to appear on the reunion show, yet Garrent’s parents didn’t bother to make the one hour drive, speaks volumes. If I remember correctly, Taylor’s dad didn’t even want to appear on the show in the beginning.

Re the bolded, I understand exactly what you mean because my mother was that way. She looked down upon and was suspicious of anyone not from the US and/or not fully white. I'm so sorry for people like my mom. All I can say to console you is that I am not like that and that sort of racism in our family is ending with her generation.

Thanks for acknowledging this and working to change it. Curious: what do you think people like your mother are suspicious of exactly?

Well, anyone who's different or in some way is better than she is. Different is scary. She also looked down on the white woman who lived two doors away from us who would "prance up and down her driveway in a bikini pretending to get the newspaper all morning." But my mom was fat and the neighbor looked great in a bikini so it seemed like jealousy to teenage-me. When I looked through my mom's old photo albums from when she was in school, I thought it was kind of weird that she lived in NYC but all her friends were white. She also had an education that stopped after college and so didn't know about some things that were proven after that point in her life - like black people don't have a higher pain tolerance than white people, for example. Or that I couldn't get AIDS from being around a gay person if I had a paper cut. She didn't seek out people different from herself - as an adult all her friends were again, white. When I was growing up the only non-white people who came into our house were kids my brother and I made friends with.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a different side to Tim. It’s likely
Because I’m keen on abuse but he had a hard
Time owning his part. I’m not sure if that’s his personality but he was so defensive and used distancing language like “ I loved my fiancé…or .. “this woman”. I’m hard pressed he has any emotional intelligence outside of being extremely defensive and dancing around a topic. He turned me off and strikes me as manipulative.

He has a quiet rage.

Absolutely. As someone who was married to an emotional + verbal abuser for over a decade, I had a visceral reaction on more than one occasion when Tim was talking.

He’s got the dark triad look in his eyes. IFYKYK

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Anonymous wrote:Someone up-thread said they thought Garrett wasn’t into Taylor anymore. Why?
I thought his body language was still good on reunion show.
Is it just bc they no longer have plans to move to San Diego??

That was me.

It’s a very slight change in his voice and also in his eyes; the sparkle is gone. My guess is that his family (mom in particular) made things very stressful for him, and he fell into a mild depressive state over the potential move to San Diego. That and/or he was on mood-stabilizing meds.

From the beginning, Garret’s mom gave off a vibe that is very familiar to me but hard to put into words. I’m mixed race, half-white like Taylor and often get the same type of closed-off reaction from certain people. It’s not necessarily racism, just other-ism, perhaps. Par for the course in life-long F’burg families.

The fact that Fong and husband flew cross country to appear on the reunion show, yet Garrent’s parents didn’t bother to make the one hour drive, speaks volumes. If I remember correctly, Taylor’s dad didn’t even want to appear on the show in the beginning.

Re the bolded, I understand exactly what you mean because my mother was that way. She looked down upon and was suspicious of anyone not from the US and/or not fully white. I'm so sorry for people like my mom. All I can say to console you is that I am not like that and that sort of racism in our family is ending with her generation.

Thanks for acknowledging this and working to change it.

Curious: what do you think people like your mother are suspicious of exactly?

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Anonymous wrote:Someone up-thread said they thought Garrett wasn’t into Taylor anymore. Why?
I thought his body language was still good on reunion show.
Is it just bc they no longer have plans to move to San Diego??

That was me.

It’s a very slight change in his voice and also in his eyes; the sparkle is gone. My guess is that his family (mom in particular) made things very stressful for him, and he fell into a mild depressive state over the potential move to San Diego. That and/or he was on mood-stabilizing meds.

From the beginning, Garret’s mom gave off a vibe that is very familiar to me but hard to put into words. I’m mixed race, half-white like Taylor and often get the same type of closed-off reaction from certain people. It’s not necessarily racism, just other-ism, perhaps. Par for the course in life-long F’burg families.

The fact that Fong and husband flew cross country to appear on the reunion show, yet Garrent’s parents didn’t bother to make the one hour drive, speaks volumes. If I remember correctly, Taylor’s dad didn’t even want to appear on the show in the beginning.

Re the bolded, I understand exactly what you mean because my mother was that way. She looked down upon and was suspicious of anyone not from the US and/or not fully white. I'm so sorry for people like my mom. All I can say to console you is that I am not like that and that sort of racism in our family is ending with her generation.

And if they've been living in Fredericksburg with his parents between their travels I'm sure that hasn't been fun for Taylor.

True.

I hope they push through and at least try living together in DC. Garret will need to pick his wife over his mother now and not be a baby about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone up-thread said they thought Garrett wasn’t into Taylor anymore. Why?
I thought his body language was still good on reunion show.
Is it just bc they no longer have plans to move to San Diego??

That was me.

It’s a very slight change in his voice and also in his eyes; the sparkle is gone. My guess is that his family (mom in particular) made things very stressful for him, and he fell into a mild depressive state over the potential move to San Diego. That and/or he was on mood-stabilizing meds.

From the beginning, Garret’s mom gave off a vibe that is very familiar to me but hard to put into words. I’m mixed race, half-white like Taylor and often get the same type of closed-off reaction from certain people. It’s not necessarily racism, just other-ism, perhaps. Par for the course in life-long F’burg families.

The fact that Fong and husband flew cross country to appear on the reunion show, yet Garrent’s parents didn’t bother to make the one hour drive, speaks volumes. If I remember correctly, Taylor’s dad didn’t even want to appear on the show in the beginning.

Re the bolded, I understand exactly what you mean because my mother was that way. She looked down upon and was suspicious of anyone not from the US and/or not fully white. I'm so sorry for people like my mom. All I can say to console you is that I am not like that and that sort of racism in our family is ending with her generation.

And if they've been living in Fredericksburg with his parents between their travels I'm sure that hasn't been fun for Taylor.

If you'll allow me, I'd like to go a little sideways and step onto a soapbox?

I am 48, and since I was around 8 or 9 have felt very strongly against school uniforms. Any time the topic has come up I have argued against them. One of the reasons people said that uniforms are a good idea is that if you're dressed nicely, you'll automatically behave more nicely. I disagreed.

And watching the reunion, with all these suits and fancy dresses and spray tans and extensions, I heard a ton of F-bombs being dropped. There were a lot of really mean things being said, lies being told, etc. Despite the nicely dressed people. Thank you.

Anonymous wrote:Alex's hair looks the best of everyone on the reunion. It was healthy and a great length and complimented her bone structure, etc. Vanessa Lachey's hair looks the worst - I know she can do better. Maybe her hair stylist wasn't available? It just looked limp and messy.

(Taylor's hair also looked great.)

I loved Ashley’s hair. She looked amazing!

Anonymous wrote:I saw a different side to Tim. It’s likely
Because I’m keen on abuse but he had a hard
Time owning his part. I’m not sure if that’s his personality but he was so defensive and used distancing language like “ I loved my fiancé…or .. “this woman”. I’m hard pressed he has any emotional intelligence outside of being extremely defensive and dancing around a topic. He turned me off and strikes me as manipulative.

He has a quiet rage.

I saw a different side to Tim. It’s likely
Because I’m keen on abuse but he had a hard
Time owning his part. I’m not sure if that’s his personality but he was so defensive and used distancing language like “ I loved my fiancé…or .. “this woman”. I’m hard pressed he has any emotional intelligence outside of being extremely defensive and dancing around a topic. He turned me off and strikes me as manipulative.

So did all the girls have a girls trip to Deep Creek except Hannah and Marissa?

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Anonymous wrote:WHY do the women wear these horrifically unflattering dresses? I don’t need to see your boobs. I don’t care if you’re super thin or chubby, I don’t want to see them! Hannah and Marissa looked great. Alex’s dress was awful and unflattering. Brittany looked ridiculous with the spray tan and taped boobs. AD - her body is amazing but please don’t show me half of your boobs! Even the other two blond women in the audience - the one from season one and Katie - just not flattering to see part of a squished boob. Ugh

Katies dress was absolutely the worst

I felt kind of bad for Katie because I imagine she bought the dress after looking in a mirror while standing and decided it was flattering and fabulous. (Same with Alex?)….But once she sat down, she maybe didn’t realize that the dress just looked like they were slingshot harness holders for each boob. And one of her breasts was sagging way lower than the other one while she was seated.
I feel like she’s going to be mortified when she watches it back on TV and that gives me second-hand embarrassment for her. But Katie is still a gorgeous woman and has 100x more class than Hannah. She just does.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t see Nick’s journal entry as a problem. He was stupid to have kept it or brought to set. That’s some thing that you don’t leave lying out. Pretty confident Hannah was going through his things the entire time. Also she was trashing his appearance from the beginning as well. But she just couldn’t handle that he might feel similarly. I didn’t like either one of them, but I thought that she was given way too much airtime.

Agree. Didn't Hannah do the same? She quit her job to go on the show. She wants to be famous too but just didn't write it down.

DP, but agree. Also, when you listen to any of the cast who says "I never expected to fall in love" it reads to me like they went on the show for clout, and coincidentally found someone. Not that they went on the show to find someone and coincidentally got famous.

I don’t understand the desire for social media followers. Fame (for no accomplishments)?

It is probably generational…but the value of being followed by strangers, who think they get to judge every aspect of your actions and appearance? No thank you.

Anonymous wrote:WHY do the women wear these horrifically unflattering dresses? I don’t need to see your boobs. I don’t care if you’re super thin or chubby, I don’t want to see them! Hannah and Marissa looked great. Alex’s dress was awful and unflattering. Brittany looked ridiculous with the spray tan and taped boobs. AD - her body is amazing but please don’t show me half of your boobs! Even the other two blond women in the audience - the one from season one and Katie - just not flattering to see part of a squished boob. Ugh

Katies dress was absolutely the worst