Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 12:06     Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is a graven image. Look it up.

The GOP wants to put up “laws” in the classroom that demand banning this.



What? Citation please.


Dictionary

Definitions from Oxford Languages

noun: graven image; plural noun: graven images
a carved idol or representation of a god used as an object of worship.
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 12:05     Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus.


Moses is the Ten Commandments guy.


Ok so who is the villain in this then? The Jews or "Christian nationalists"? You're firing randomly.
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 12:03     Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

Anonymous wrote:This is a graven image. Look it up.

The GOP wants to put up “laws” in the classroom that demand banning this.



What? Citation please.
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 12:02     Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."


How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.


Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.


Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.

It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.


I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:

"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hanging the 10 Commandments

1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech

There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.


Since when is everyone either a Jew Christian or Muslim???

Other cultures and religions have their own ancient texts too.

And why should we ban “graven images” - no one will answer that. That sounds like banning speech to me.


The US was formed on judeo Christian ethics. It's okay for us to promote our cultural heritage. Other nations do.

No one is banning graven images. They are just tearing down historical statues bc they want to remove a sense of historical culture and identity so they have a blank slate to work with.
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 10:34     Subject: Re:Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments


Anonymous wrote:
Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus.


Moses is the Ten Commandments guy.


+1 Jesus was not around in those times.
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 10:28     Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."


How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.


Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.


Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.

It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.


I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:

"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hanging the 10 Commandments

1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech

There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.


What "constitutional scholars" think that?
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 10:07     Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

This is a graven image. Look it up.

The GOP wants to put up “laws” in the classroom that demand banning this.

Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 10:03     Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus.


Moses is the Ten Commandments guy.
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 09:14     Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."


How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.


Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.


Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.

It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.


I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution.


Know how I know YANAL?
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 07:55     Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."


How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.


Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.


Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.

It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.


I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:

"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hanging the 10 Commandments

1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech

There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.


Since when is everyone either a Jew Christian or Muslim???

Other cultures and religions have their own ancient texts too.

And why should we ban “graven images” - no one will answer that. That sounds like banning speech to me.


The MAGA cult would have to stop putting Trump’s face with Jesus face and claiming they are equal.
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 07:35     Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."


How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.


Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.


Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.

It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.


I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:

"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hanging the 10 Commandments

1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech

There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.


Well then Catholics will have a case to make that this version of the 10 commandments corrupts their religion. The government should not be picking the version and translation of these texts that gets used in classrooms.
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 07:34     Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

The more diversity of lifestyle and culture we have in states the better. People deserve the right to live in a place they are comfortable and shouldn’t be victims of nationwide control freaks.
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 07:29     Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."


How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.


Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.


Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.

It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.


I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:

"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hanging the 10 Commandments

1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech

There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.

Jesus Christ, people - the 14th Amendment binds states so they’re equivalent to Congress when it comes to this stuff. And SCOTUS already struck down a very similar law in Kentucky, finding that this did establish a religion.


Great, the the second amendment also doesn’t apply to the states.
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 07:24     Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."


How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.


Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.


Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.

It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.


I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:

"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hanging the 10 Commandments

1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech

There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.


Since when is everyone either a Jew Christian or Muslim???

Other cultures and religions have their own ancient texts too.

And why should we ban “graven images” - no one will answer that. That sounds like banning speech to me.
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2024 06:43     Subject: Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."


How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.


Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.


Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.

It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.


I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:

"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hanging the 10 Commandments

1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech

There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.

Jesus Christ, people - the 14th Amendment binds states so they’re equivalent to Congress when it comes to this stuff. And SCOTUS already struck down a very similar law in Kentucky, finding that this did establish a religion.