I was three and a half years covid free. Finally got it this week.
I've had every vaccine they'd allow me to get.
Just a bad cold so far. And I am not a very young, healthy person - lots of underlying conditions.

I feel the vaccines protected me from the worst of it.

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Vaccines saved no lives. Amish did nothing and did not have a death rate higher than the highly vaccinated public.

They are also a largely isolated communities. No global travel certainly.

So easy to poke holes in your idea

I'm sure if the Amish didn't just farm, go to church, and live in an isolated small community which keeps mostly to themselves, they would probably have Covid death rates like the red states.

They got covid almost immediately on purpose. They had meetings and shared cups. They developed herd immunity and had a death rate equal or less than the highly vaccinated public. They didn’t mask, shut down, isolate or vaccinate. They didn’t let loved ones go to the hospital because they wanted to be with their loved ones. No death rate excess of the public that masked, shut down, isolated and vaccinated. Now we have kids testing at decades low, so inflation and an explosion of obesity all for nothing.

https://nypost.com/2021/06/29/amish-put-faith-in-gods-will-and-herd-immunity-over-vaccine/

Anonymous wrote:I'm one of the 14% and still have not gotten covid. My family of four all got the booster in November. We had a dinner guest over who tested positive the day after she spent the evening with us. None of us got sick. I'm immunocompromised and work in person (teach) so I figured I would get sick but haven't.

A friend of mine got the original shot only and has gotten covid 3 or 4 times since. She works from home.

I do think covid does a number on folks' immune systems, making it more likely they'll get it again after the first time.

Omg. Basically you believe the covid vax is a magical amulet then you make all the other sh*t up.

I actually do truly doubt the intelligence of people who vaccinate/boost their kids at this point, especially older boys. Unless the child is particularly at risk, giving a child annual covid shots seems like evidence of an anxiety disorder.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Vaccines saved no lives. Amish did nothing and did not have a death rate higher than the highly vaccinated public.

They are also a largely isolated communities. No global travel certainly.

So easy to poke holes in your idea

I'm sure if the Amish didn't just farm, go to church, and live in an isolated small community which keeps mostly to themselves, they would probably have Covid death rates like the red states.

They got covid almost immediately on purpose. They had meetings and shared cups. They developed herd immunity and had a death rate equal or less than the highly vaccinated public. They didn’t mask, shut down, isolate or vaccinate. They didn’t let loved ones go to the hospital because they wanted to be with their loved ones. No death rate excess of the public that masked, shut down, isolated and vaccinated. Now we have kids testing at decades low, so inflation and an explosion of obesity all for nothing.

Do you have a link to facts basing this up?

https://nypost.com/2021/03/28/amish-group-could-reach-covid-herd-immunity-health-official/

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Vaccines saved no lives. Amish did nothing and did not have a death rate higher than the highly vaccinated public.

Nope.

In contrast to the patterns in the larger U.S. population, excess deaths in the Amish and Mennonite communities did not decrease after vaccines became available. After vaccines were widely available to the teen and adult population in March 2021, Amish/Mennonite groups experienced a spike in death rates. The number of excess deaths rose to 33% in March 2021 and increased even more, reaching 45% in April 2021. Excess death rates spiked to 49% in July 2021 and achieved a yearly high of 80% in November 2021. The consistently high numbers of excess deaths in November 2020 and 2021 may be related to the traditional fall “wedding season” in many Amish communities (Troyer, 2021).

Fewer deaths followed the high peaks of excess death amongst the Amish/Mennonite population. The number of excess deaths dropped below the baseline average several times throughout 2021, suggesting the presence of deficit mortality (Brüssow, 2021; Fouillet et al., 2020). Deficit mortality indicates COVID-19 impacted people most vulnerable to infection or complicating factors during the spikes in excess death. The decreases in excess death immediately following the peaks suggest a less vulnerable population or resistance to COVID-19 due to infection-induced immunity. Figure 1 displays the Amish/Mennonite excess death patterns compared to the U.S. population. This population did not experience spikes in excess death in conjunction with the Delta mutation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10233516/

I can’t tell from that what the overall death rate data is? In a population not taking precautions, it seems plausible that the original excess death rate is higher but then trends lower due to faster acquisition of immunity than other groups. Like it says, the Amish didn’t have a Delta spike. And of course you have to take into account other features of the Amish population that don’t have to do with the vaccine - rural, larger households, possibly less obesity, age differences.

Anonymous wrote:I'm one of the 14% and still have not gotten covid. My family of four all got the booster in November. We had a dinner guest over who tested positive the day after she spent the evening with us. None of us got sick. I'm immunocompromised and work in person (teach) so I figured I would get sick but haven't.

A friend of mine got the original shot only and has gotten covid 3 or 4 times since. She works from home.

I do think covid does a number on folks' immune systems, making it more likely they'll get it again after the first time.

Great anecdote! I on the other hand have only had the original two shots back in Spring '21, and have never had covid. Despite being around my kids who have each had it each twice, coworkers who have had it, and in large packed with hordes of people convention centers many times for my kid's sport.

See how that works?

I'm one of the 14% and still have not gotten covid. My family of four all got the booster in November. We had a dinner guest over who tested positive the day after she spent the evening with us. None of us got sick. I'm immunocompromised and work in person (teach) so I figured I would get sick but haven't.

A friend of mine got the original shot only and has gotten covid 3 or 4 times since. She works from home.

I do think covid does a number on folks' immune systems, making it more likely they'll get it again after the first time.

The Amish got the Covid vaccine, but at a lower rate than other Americans.
https://www.psu.edu/news/social-science-research-institute/story/amish-found-be-under-vaccinated-covid-19-not-unvaccinated/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Vaccines saved no lives. Amish did nothing and did not have a death rate higher than the highly vaccinated public.

They are also a largely isolated communities. No global travel certainly.

So easy to poke holes in your idea

I'm sure if the Amish didn't just farm, go to church, and live in an isolated small community which keeps mostly to themselves, they would probably have Covid death rates like the red states.

They got covid almost immediately on purpose. They had meetings and shared cups. They developed herd immunity and had a death rate equal or less than the highly vaccinated public. They didn’t mask, shut down, isolate or vaccinate. They didn’t let loved ones go to the hospital because they wanted to be with their loved ones. No death rate excess of the public that masked, shut down, isolated and vaccinated. Now we have kids testing at decades low, so inflation and an explosion of obesity all for nothing.

Do you have a link to facts basing this up?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Vaccines saved no lives. Amish did nothing and did not have a death rate higher than the highly vaccinated public.

They are also a largely isolated communities. No global travel certainly.

So easy to poke holes in your idea

I'm sure if the Amish didn't just farm, go to church, and live in an isolated small community which keeps mostly to themselves, they would probably have Covid death rates like the red states.

They got covid almost immediately on purpose. They had meetings and shared cups. They developed herd immunity and had a death rate equal or less than the highly vaccinated public. They didn’t mask, shut down, isolate or vaccinate. They didn’t let loved ones go to the hospital because they wanted to be with their loved ones. No death rate excess of the public that masked, shut down, isolated and vaccinated. Now we have kids testing at decades low, so inflation and an explosion of obesity all for nothing.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Vaccines saved no lives. Amish did nothing and did not have a death rate higher than the highly vaccinated public.

They are also a largely isolated communities. No global travel certainly.

So easy to poke holes in your idea

I'm sure if the Amish didn't just farm, go to church, and live in an isolated small community which keeps mostly to themselves, they would probably have Covid death rates like the red states.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Vaccines saved no lives. Amish did nothing and did not have a death rate higher than the highly vaccinated public.

Is this based on facts? Or is this just an assumption you’re making? This is interesting.

Anonymous wrote:
Vaccines saved no lives. Amish did nothing and did not have a death rate higher than the highly vaccinated public.

Nope.

In contrast to the patterns in the larger U.S. population, excess deaths in the Amish and Mennonite communities did not decrease after vaccines became available. After vaccines were widely available to the teen and adult population in March 2021, Amish/Mennonite groups experienced a spike in death rates. The number of excess deaths rose to 33% in March 2021 and increased even more, reaching 45% in April 2021. Excess death rates spiked to 49% in July 2021 and achieved a yearly high of 80% in November 2021. The consistently high numbers of excess deaths in November 2020 and 2021 may be related to the traditional fall “wedding season” in many Amish communities (Troyer, 2021).

Fewer deaths followed the high peaks of excess death amongst the Amish/Mennonite population. The number of excess deaths dropped below the baseline average several times throughout 2021, suggesting the presence of deficit mortality (Brüssow, 2021; Fouillet et al., 2020). Deficit mortality indicates COVID-19 impacted people most vulnerable to infection or complicating factors during the spikes in excess death. The decreases in excess death immediately following the peaks suggest a less vulnerable population or resistance to COVID-19 due to infection-induced immunity. Figure 1 displays the Amish/Mennonite excess death patterns compared to the U.S. population. This population did not experience spikes in excess death in conjunction with the Delta mutation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10233516/

Anonymous wrote:Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
What are we in for???

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/11/18/only-14-of-us-adults-have-gotten-latest-updated-covid-19-vaccine/

The CDC is providing estimates for the uptake of the 2023-24 covid vaccine from its National Immunization Surveys (NIS), despite the CDC acknowledging that its self-reported NIS phone survey over-estimated covid vaccine uptake last year. https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/whats-new/vaccine-equity.html So how is the NIS doing currently? The CDC stopped publishing actual covid vaccination data in May 2023. However, individual states are continuing to report actual vaccine data and we can compare those to current NIS state estimates. Wisconsin reports that 14% of WI adults had taken the new vaccine as of Dec 14 whereas the NIS survey estimates that 22% of WI adults had taken it as of Dec 2. That is a significant difference. If you go back further in time, a similar pattern emerges. As of May 2023, WI data showed that 28% of WI adults had taken last year's bivalent booster whereas NIS estimated that 41% of WI adults had taken it. An even greater gap.

Given that NIS estimates for covid vaccine uptake are consistently and significantly inflated compared to actual vaccine uptake, NIS estimates should not be used as a proxy for actual uptake of the new 2023-24 covid vaccine. While NIS currently reports that 17% of US adults have taken the new covid vaccine, the actual figure is likely closer to 10% nationally based on historical/current comparisons.

WI 2023-24 Actual Covid Vaccine Data: https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/immunization/covid-19-vaccine-data.htm
NIS State 2023-24 Covid Vaccine Estimates: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/coverage/covidvaxview/interactive/adult-coverage-vaccination.html
CDC Historical Actual Covid Vaccine Data: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-people-booster-percent-pop18
NIS Historical Covid Vaccine Estimates: https://data.cdc.gov/Vaccinations/National-Immunization-Survey-Adult-COVID-Module-NI/akkj-j5ru/data_preview

Anonymous wrote:
Vaccines saved no lives. Amish did nothing and did not have a death rate higher than the highly vaccinated public.

They are also a largely isolated communities. No global travel certainly.

So easy to poke holes in your idea